Qin Vs Full-Power Zhao

[Elder Lee Hung]

Alright so this avatar got me thinking, what would happen if the state of Qin actually had to fight a Zhao that didn’t have a monarchy who shoots their own state in the foot at every opportunity?

Let’s say this ‘full-power Zhao’ has Prince Ka as King, Renpa comes back to fight for his state, Riboku and Houken are still both active, Shibashou actually fights for Zhao actively, and Kochou is still alive.

Could Qin take this version of Zhao?

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[Shanks]

Going with this "if" scenario, shouldn't there be another "if" that in this kind of battle scenario, it's only two states fighting and none other are going to interfere coz Zhao going to use there full military strength even though it has neighbors like Yan, Wei and Han!!

If none other states interfere than Qin will destroy Zhao in one go. Qin's current GGs and young generation will wipe out Zhao from the map.

Ousen, Kanki, YTW, Tou, Moubu and than Shin, Ouhon and Mouten will be toying with Zhao generals even if they got both Renpa and Riboku at the same time (others too). Lol

There's still Shouheikun available.

So it would be EiSei and others taking selfie on Zhao's grave while Riboku and others crying from the heaven or might be getting molested by HakuKi or Ouki in heaven as well.

 

[Dark Admiral]

Could Qin take this version of Zhao?

is Kochou still alive..?? With Ka as their kings their sure will be more underground prisoners active in the war or politics behind which would give Qin a hell of a nightmare.
just Ka being active for weeks was enough to stop Qin in their tracks and force them to rethink their plan.
Qin gets stopped and might face quite a pushback too. Unification is over. Add RSJ to it and it will be one sided massacre.

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Going with this "if" scenario, shouldn't there be another "if" that in this kind of battle scenario, it's only two states fighting and none other are going to interfere coz Zhao going to use there full military strength even though it has neighbors like Yan, Wei and Han!!

If none other states interfere than Qin will destroy Zhao in one go. Qin's current GGs and young generation will wipe out Zhao from the map.

Ousen, Kanki, YTW, Tou, Moubu and than Shin, Ouhon and Mouten will be toying with Zhao generals even if they got both Renpa and Riboku at the same time (others too). Lol

There's still Shouheikun available.

So it would be EiSei and others taking selfie on Zhao's grave while Riboku and others crying from the heaven or might be getting molested by HakuKi or Ouki in heaven as well.

Wow, didn’t see this one coming. Riboku heavily restricted is still managing to best the Qin’s finest and you believe he will let his country get erased from the mail when he has full authority..??
I might be missing a really big piece here..

 

[Shanks]

Wow, didn’t see this one coming. Riboku heavily restricted is still managing to best the Qin’s finest and you believe he will let his country get erased from the mail when he has full authority..??
I might be missing a really big piece here..

Ousen vs Renpa
Kanki vs Riboku
MouBu and YTW vs Houken and SBS
Tou vs Kochou

There's still SHK available and than Qin's Young gen can assist any army. Riboku has to put himself as bait and away from the field just to lure out and isolate Shin from the battlefield.

If it's comparison between two states only than Qin is quite above Zhao in quality and quantity both.

 

[God Buggy]

Considering what a ludicrously hard task conquering Zhao is (as Zhao is in the manga) and that:

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The Qin didn't take Zhao until the Zhao monarch had Riboku executed and Shibashou dismissed. Only after that, the Zhao conquest was completed.

Then, I'll leave it to immagination what dealing with a Zhao who didn't shoot itself in the foot (and in other places) would have been like. Lol.

Riboku having this material to work with and complete freedom (since he would have not been hindered by stupid monarchs in his decison making)...yeah, things would have been utterly horrifying.

 

[SakazOuki]

Definitely not when Qin has to keep Chu and Wei borders in check
However, if Qin gets to use its entire military force then Zhao stands no chance

 

[Blackbeard]

Alright so this avatar got me thinking, what would happen if the state of Qin actually had to fight a Zhao that didn’t have a monarchy who shoots their own state in the foot at every opportunity?

Let’s say this ‘full-power Zhao’ has Prince Ka as King, Renpa comes back to fight for his state, Riboku and Houken are still both active, Shibashou actually fights for Zhao actively, and Kochou is still alive.

Could Qin take this version of Zhao?

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I was literally going to make this same exact thread based off of your avatar lol.

If this hypothetical version of Zhao is fighting current Qin, then current Qin gets fucked. Renpa, Riboku and SBS (with all their vassals) in one army is utterly ridiculous.

Otherwise prime Qin >~ prime Zhao.

 

[Cichy]

Without Zhao monarchy sabotaging their own country Qin's dream of unification is no longer possible. So far we got four examples of Zhao politics screwing up their military efforts.

>Them loosing 400k in Chouhei when Renpa was replaced.

>Renpa's rebelion and him leaving Zhao.

>Gyou invasion when even Ousen admitted that the lack of support from Kantan was one of the main reasons they won.

>Riboku's banishment which indirectly led to loss of Kochou, 100k and two important cities.

The difference between current Zhao and hypothetical version where they have much stronger army is huge and Qin are already struggle to conquer this state even with how things are now. And brief reminder that Qin are on a time limit to make unification possible. If they miss the deadline then they have to give up due to lack of resources.

 

[God Buggy]

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[Dark Admiral]

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You forgot the GOAT..

 

[God Buggy]

You forgot the GOAT..

This chad left the state of Zhao way prematurely😭

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

This chad left the state of Zhao way prematurely😭

Zhao would have unified China if he lived

 

[MarineHQ]

Could Qin take this version of Zhao?

NEVER. NOT POSSIBLE.

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Seriously. Qin would never be able to best Zhao even if we pretend like the other states don't exist and that's because Zhao is fighting at home ground. They will always be able to defend themselves from the other 3 states, Rihaku of defence comes to my mind and RBK easily can dispatch a handful of other generals that would be useless again Qin but more than enough to keep the other states away.
Qin on the other hand would have far more trouble keeping Chu and Wei in check because all their generals will invade Zhao.

Anyways, i can't believe people think Zhao can lose this considering what's happening in the canon Manga with the feats RBK alone displayed even though the King was on his ass 24/7. Best case scenario for Qin they stall each other forever and somewhere down the line Qin just calls it a day and quits.

Riboku fortified Koku You and made it practically impossible for Qin to invade from there. Ousen was helpless against the Elites of Kantan and that wasn't even RBK commanding them. If he was able to use the entire Zhao military as he wishes Qin won't even reach the capital region.


Riboku + Renpa + SBS + Houken + Kochou and all their generals?
Good luck lol

 

[SakazOuki]

Riboku + Renpa + SBS + Houken + Kochou and all their generals?
Good luck lol

Shouheikun, Ousen, Moubu, Tou, Kanki, Yotanwa, Shin, Ouhon, Mouten
This lineup is just too savage

 

[RayanOO]

Q6 vs Z5 would be dope to see.

Obviously the 3MC are great here but super subs like Kansaro, H4, Gyou’un, Bananji and Keisha can still give them a run for their money.

It would be real close. RBK + Renpa is an overkill combo. RBK on the rear and Renpa on the field as a moral booster, tactician and looking at potential fires and traps with his instinct. The best one two punch in history.

And Houken and his army aren’t that weak either.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

However, if Qin gets to use its entire military force then Zhao stands no chance

Idk man, current Qin vs Zhao with an actual functioning King is still a scary thought lol. Riboku is already giving the state of Qin massive trouble, imagine if Riboku had all these other GGs and Zhao’s political prisoners to work with.

 

[FutureWarrior123]

Shiiiiiiitt, I don’t even know what to say. Assuming the current state of China remains to be the same with the existence of the other states, then yeah, Qin can kiss unification goodbye. Zhao won’t even budge a single inch.

If we say Qin can hypothetically consolidate all of their manpower against Zhao, then things get more interesting.

Riboku alone managed to finesse Ousen, Kanki, and Shouheikun. Then goes on to kill a member with barely any losses (Seika generals were involved but still). That’s just one Z3 member we are talking about.

Adding SBS and Renpa to the mix? I don’t know man…

Now, the reason I still think it’s in dispute is cause of the hidden talents that are Tou and Moubu, who we don’t know the full extent of their abilities. That’s still 2 more top tiers than Zhao has.

I don’t know who wins, but I do know that it’s gonna be one bloody massacre on both sides of this conflict.

 

[MarineHQ]

Shouheikun, Ousen, Moubu, Tou, Kanki, Yotanwa, Shin, Ouhon, Mouten
This lineup is just too savage

That lineup is really crazy, but fighting on home turf is such a ridiculous advantage.
Especially when it is Riboku that's using all of Zhao's forces.

Remember when Kochou's army + Kantan's elites completely stalled Ousen, Kanki, YTW, Ouhon, Shin and Mouten only because Kakukai used RBK's tactics?
I imagine it's on a completely different level when RBK is personally there.

Spoiler

Granted Qin couldn't commit everything to the attack because they would be risking to lose Gyou which is why they established an alliance with Wei.

Moubu and Tou would be stalled completely by Houken and SBS and SHK would probably command the entire military like RBK does.

And that's assuming they fight in the capital region. With so many forces RBK would completely seal the entrance to the capital.

 

[God Buggy]

Zhao would have unified China if he lived

He would have had a huge ideological clash with Riboku though lol. Both Rinshoujo and Renpa were dreamers who had thoughts of a united China, like the old Qin Six who based their military career towards that goal. Riboku instead, he views trying to militarily unify China as the worst of tragedies. He couldn't be more far away from those people.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

He would have had a huge ideological clash with Riboku though lol. Both Rinshoujo and Renpa were dreamers who had thoughts of a united China, like the old Qin Six who based their military career towards that goal. Riboku instead, he views trying to militarily unify China as the worst of tragedies. He couldn't be more far away from those people.

Zhao wouldn’t need Riboku lol. Riboku is always a figure who has served Zhao reluctantly and not because he has any broader ideal. If Rinshoujou would have lived, being as he was so young, he would have long outlived the Qin 6 and would have lived into the modern era alongside Renpa. Riboku would not have been needed if he were still alive lol.