The state of Israel is a country that privileges Jews over other ethnic and religious groups.
It was created on land stolen by Zionist militias during the nakba and it is maintained via an apartheid system where millions of people in the occupied territories are denied rights because were they to be Israeli citizens, the country wouldn’t be majority Jewish,
yeah imo the state of Israel should be peacefully dismantled and replaced by a country where the rights of all people are protected, not just the rights of Jews.
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And yet she also says it is possible that all sides will “be able to live in peace,” noting a recent compromise in Utah, “where you saw an extension of gay rights in exchange for religious protections.”
The state of Israel is a country that privileges Jews over other ethnic and religious groups.
It was created on land stolen by Zionist militias during the nakba and it is maintained via an apartheid system where millions of people in the occupied territories are denied rights because were they to be Israeli citizens, the country wouldn’t be majority Jewish,
yeah imo the state of Israel should be peacefully dismantled and replaced by a country where the rights of all people are protected, not just the rights of Jews.
If they are put in a huge concentration camp or open air prison where the occupier control everything that goes in and out, then obviously wtf? Why would you even think otherwise
What the fuck are you on about? we're talking about a scenario proposed by @Zenos7 where Israel gives them the occupied land back, and you said it is totally justified for Palestinians to want the entire historic Palestine. Meaning you're totally okay with more wars and blood spill over the land.
Humans don't own land? So if WW3 is to happen because a country tried to invade another just because they can you think it's justified? Tell that also to korean, chinese, malaysian, indonesian, filipinos, etc. You're so sick in the head if you actually think like that
Justified? I am telling you the reality of the world you fucking mouth breather. Borders and Nations are drawn via wars and conquest. You fucking idolo is a conqueror himself. Appealing to morality and justice is null if said conquerors don't play by the same rules.
Do I think "might is right" is good? no. If I did I would be for Israel wiping Palestinians out of existence, you know how humans have done to their adversaries for thousands of years. Instead I call for a 2 state solution, so don't put words in my mouth you loser
If said government create a wall surrounding the US making you unable to leave, i hope you remain true to stay silent even if your loved ones are either starved to die or getting murdered
That's what the BDS movement is about. The goal is to apply the same strategies the international community used to end south african apartheid on israel.
What the fuck are you on about? we're talking about a scenario proposed by @Zenos7 where Israel gives them the occupied land back, and you said it is totally justified for Palestinians to want the entire historic Palestine. Meaning you're totally okay with more wars and blood spill over the land.
It is totally justified. Before 1948 they had full access to that land. Then the zionist militias used massacres and forced expulsions to steal that land and turn the palestinians into refugees. They then gave that land to jewish immigrants and renamed those towns with jewish names.
The difference between palestine and israel is this. Israel's character as a jewish state can only be maintained if Palestinians are excluded from land that is rightfully theirs. Jews were always a minority in palestine and the jewish state was only created by the ethnic cleansing of the palestinians. In contrast a free palestine wouldn't exclude jews, it would merely honor the palestinians' right of return to their indigenous homeland. A right that Israel gives to jews across the world regardless of their connection to the land.
Like I've said, I'm a convert, my connection to the land of Israel is purely religious, none of my family or ancestors are from that land. Yet under Israeli law, I would be granted a right to return to israel, whereas people who's families lived in that land for generations wouldn't, merely because I'd be a jew and they wouldn't.
And I don't even think that the jewish right to return is even bad. Yes, I think jews should have a homeland where they can go to escape persecution, and the land of Israel has deep religious connections to the jewish people. More so than it does for Muslims or Christians. In the torah it is technically a mitzvah to go and live in Israel because that's the land God told us to live. Not to mention, a majority of jews aren't converts and can trace some ancestry back to Israel.
The issue is, it makes zero sense to give jews this special privilege when palestinians who were literally born on that land and were kicked out in 1948 weren't even allowed to return to gain their belongings that they left behind when they fled.
What the fuck are you on about? we're talking about a scenario proposed by @Zenos7 where Israel gives them the occupied land back, and you said it is totally justified for Palestinians to want the entire historic Palestine. Meaning you're totally okay with more wars and blood spill over the land.
Ofc it is you dumbfuck? You're telling me Korean, Chinese, and the others were terrorist for spilling the bloods of their disgusting colonizers? And who said more wars is necessary retard? If Israel can just peacefully retreat from the land which obviously is a wishful thinking seeing how high they think of themselves no more wars will be needed.
Justified? I am telling you the reality of the world you fucking mouth breather. Borders and Nations are drawn via wars and conquest. You fucking idolo is a conqueror himself. Appealing to morality and justice is null if said conquerors don't play by the same rules.
Do I think "might is right" is good? no. If I did I would be for Israel wiping Palestinians out of existence, you know how humans have done to their adversaries for thousands of years. Instead I call for a 2 state solution, so don't put words in my mouth you loser
Then maybe you should have phrased it better idiot. "Humans don't own land", tell that to the people who were oppressed during the world war and they will all behave exactly like i did.
It is totally justified. Before 1948 they had full access to that land. Then the zionist militias used massacres and forced expulsions to steal that land and turn the palestinians into refugees. They then gave that land to jewish immigrants and renamed those towns with jewish names.
It is not justified. By justifying it you're giving them the green light to crusade for the entire land for eternity. Most of the victims of the nakba are dead anyways.
The difference between palestine and israel is this. Israel's character as a jewish state can only be maintained if Palestinians are excluded from land that is rightfully theirs. Jews were always a minority in palestine and the jewish state was only created by the ethnic cleansing of the palestinians. In contrast a free palestine wouldn't exclude jews, it would merely honor the palestinians' right of return to their indigenous homeland. A right that Israel gives to jews across the world regardless of their connection to the land.
Palestinians do not want a 1 state for both jewish and Palestinians. They want a 1 state for THEMSELVES. They literally want an ethno state as well.
I'd say give it to them, west bank and gaza. You the other day had no idea why Sudan was constantly involved in wars, guess what? What you want is literally a Sudan 2.0 in the Levant.
Like I've said, I'm a convert, my connection to the land of Israel is purely religious, none of my family or ancestors are from that land. Yet under Israeli law, I would be granted a right to return to israel, whereas people who's families lived in that land for generations wouldn't, merely because I'd be a jew and they wouldn't.
And I don't even think that the jewish right to return is even bad. Yes, I think jews should have a homeland where they can go to escape persecution, and the land of Israel has deep religious connections to the jewish people. More so than it does for Muslims or Christians. In the torah it is technically a mitzvah to go and live in Israel because that's the land God told us to live. Not to mention, a majority of jews aren't converts and can trace some ancestry back to Israel.
The issue is, it makes zero sense to give jews this special privilege when palestinians who were literally born on that land and were kicked out in 1948 weren't even allowed to return to gain their belongings that they left behind when they fled.
Justified? I am telling you the reality of the world you fucking mouth breather. Borders and Nations are drawn via wars and conquest. You fucking idolo is a conqueror himself. Appealing to morality and justice is null if said conquerors don't play by the same rules.
And who said more wars is necessary retard? If Israel can just peacefully retreat from the land which obviously is a wishful thinking seeing how high they think of themselves no more wars will be needed.
The cognitive dissonance here is astonishing. "Hurr durr who said more wars are necessary? Israel just needs to leave which they don't want nor never will"
Then maybe you should have phrased it better idiot. "Humans don't own land", tell that to the people who were oppressed during the world war and they will all behave exactly like i did.
The cognitive dissonance here is aoustonishing. "Hurr durr who said more wars are necessary? Israel just needs to leave which they don't want or never will"
No because it literally has nothing to do with the conversation.
Again conversation was "Israel agrees to give up gaza and west bank, will the Palestinians still want the entirety of israel?" and you said yes.
What the fuck do the Koreans and Chinese have anything to do with? They fought the occupiers and with the help of the West pushed them off. Koreans are not waging wars with the chinese right now for land they had 100 years ago.
The equivalent would be the CCP taking over Taiwan because it was historically part of china, or Russia taking Ukraine.... oh wait.
No because it literally has nothing to do with the conversation.
Again conversation was "Israel agrees to give up gaza and west bank, will the Palestinians still want the entirety of israel?" and you said yes.
What the fuck do the Koreans and Chinese have anything to do with? They fought the occupiers and with the help of the West pushed them off. Koreans are not waging wars with the chinese right now for land they had 100 years ago.
The equivalent would be the CCP taking over Taiwan because it was historically part of china, or Russia taking Ukraine.... oh wait.
Again, what the fuck does this have to do with anything? I want Palestinians to have their own land and autonomy. Obviously I would be against Israel occupying the land and putting them in concentration camps.
Seriously take you meds, you're seeing things and shadowboxing.
I was obviously talking about a hypothetical scenario smh
If Japan won the world war and they began to mass emigrate their civilians while letting the locals to have only a portion of their land. Do you think they would have agreed or they would have continued their resistance?
Again, what the fuck does this have to do with anything? I want Palestinians to have their own land and autonomy. Obviously I would be against Israel occupying the land and putting them in concentration camps.
Seriously take you meds, you're seeing things and shadowboxing.
I said this earlier, Taiwan and Ukraine already had their independence and thus is too late to return to their previous state. Same thing cannot be said for the palestinians.
CCP taking Taiwan or Russia taking Ukraine is obviously not equivalent to the oppressed Palestinian wanting their land back.
You are the one that should take meds, conveniently forgot something i just said a while ago
Again putting words into my mouth. I said wars arent necessary, but i will not have my expectation high that the israeli will pursue the peaceful path. You're an entire circus
I was obviously talking about a hypothetical scenario smh
If Japan won the world war and they began to mass emigrate their civilians while letting the locals to have only a portion of their land. Do you think they would have agreed or they would have continued their resistance?
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These types of practices, landlords choosing to rent only to jewish tenants and kicking out palestinian ones simply because they are palestinian, is illegal in the USA and I'm pretty sure it is illegal in most western countries. It is called housing discrimination.
Yet America seems perfectly fine when Israel engages in this behavior. And the thing is, this isn't a modern phenomenon. The Zionist movement has been doing this since pre-statehood. One of the ways the zionist movement tried to gain ground was by buying land from absentee landlords and then kicking out the palestinian tenants. All for the goal of securing a land for a jewish majority state.
These types of practices, landlords choosing to rent only to jewish tenants and kicking out palestinian ones simply because they are palestinian, is illegal in the USA and I'm pretty sure it is illegal in most western countries. It is called housing discrimination.
Yet America seems perfectly fine when Israel engages in this behavior. And the thing is, this isn't a modern phenomenon. The Zionist movement has been doing this since pre-statehood. One of the ways the zionist movement tried to gain ground was by buying land from absentee landlords and then kicking out the palestinian tenants. All for the goal of securing a land for a jewish majority state.
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