How long do you guys think the military action in Gaza will last?I think at least 14 more days at a minimum.
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Well yeah, if the U.S collapses and another government comes in and takes my land I can't do shit. The contract was between me and the U.S.
There is no fucking contract.There is only power.If you can't defend the shit you own with whatever means you have,then you don't own it.
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so the rest of the "occupation" should continue?
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ironic
Said the guy that didn't read the last paragraph of the article and refuses to talk about it.Cope.You were wrong and now have 0 arguments.
 
How long do you guys think the military action in Gaza will last?I think at least 14 more days at a minimum.
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There is no fucking contract.There is only power.If you can't defend the shit you own with whatever means you have,then you don't own it.
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Said the guy that didn't read the last paragraph of the article and refuses to talk about it.Cope.You were wrong and now have 0 arguments.
It will still be going on next year.
 
“An investigation into the incident revealed an [Israeli military] combat helicopter that arrived at the scene from the Ramat David base fired at the terrorists and apparently also hit some of the revelers there,” the news report cited an unnamed police official as saying."
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...ack-israel-music-festival-israeli-report-says

so they killed an unknowable amount of their own people by shooting randomly out of a helicopter. impressive
 
If the state of israel returns the entirety of "palestine" they kinda stop existing though
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The convo with photon where i asked that question was completely separate from this

Just interesting to know whether people are in favor of the eradication of the state of israel
The state of Israel is a country that privileges Jews over other ethnic and religious groups.

It was created on land stolen by Zionist militias during the nakba and it is maintained via an apartheid system where millions of people in the occupied territories are denied rights because were they to be Israeli citizens, the country wouldn’t be majority Jewish,

yeah imo the state of Israel should be peacefully dismantled and replaced by a country where the rights of all people are protected, not just the rights of Jews.
 
Said the guy that didn't read the last paragraph of the article and refuses to talk about it.Cope.You were wrong and now have 0 arguments.
uhm the last paragraph was actually this short one

And yet she also says it is possible that all sides will “be able to live in peace,” noting a recent compromise in Utah, “where you saw an extension of gay rights in exchange for religious protections.”
How the Supreme Court's decision for gay marriage could affect religious institutions | Pew Research Center

that you actually left out and i added it here lmao. cant make this shit up.
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The state of Israel is a country that privileges Jews over other ethnic and religious groups.

It was created on land stolen by Zionist militias during the nakba and it is maintained via an apartheid system where millions of people in the occupied territories are denied rights because were they to be Israeli citizens, the country wouldn’t be majority Jewish,

yeah imo the state of Israel should be peacefully dismantled and replaced by a country where the rights of all people are protected, not just the rights of Jews.
however you want to do that "peacefully".
 
If they are put in a huge concentration camp or open air prison where the occupier control everything that goes in and out, then obviously wtf? Why would you even think otherwise
What the fuck are you on about? we're talking about a scenario proposed by @Zenos7 where Israel gives them the occupied land back, and you said it is totally justified for Palestinians to want the entire historic Palestine. Meaning you're totally okay with more wars and blood spill over the land.


Humans don't own land? So if WW3 is to happen because a country tried to invade another just because they can you think it's justified? Tell that also to korean, chinese, malaysian, indonesian, filipinos, etc. You're so sick in the head if you actually think like that
Justified? I am telling you the reality of the world you fucking mouth breather. Borders and Nations are drawn via wars and conquest. You fucking idolo is a conqueror himself. Appealing to morality and justice is null if said conquerors don't play by the same rules.

Do I think "might is right" is good? no. If I did I would be for Israel wiping Palestinians out of existence, you know how humans have done to their adversaries for thousands of years. Instead I call for a 2 state solution, so don't put words in my mouth you loser
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If said government create a wall surrounding the US making you unable to leave, i hope you remain true to stay silent even if your loved ones are either starved to die or getting murdered
I wouldn't fall into a "martyr" culture that's for sure
 
however you want to do that "peacefully".
That's what the BDS movement is about. The goal is to apply the same strategies the international community used to end south african apartheid on israel.
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What the fuck are you on about? we're talking about a scenario proposed by @Zenos7 where Israel gives them the occupied land back, and you said it is totally justified for Palestinians to want the entire historic Palestine. Meaning you're totally okay with more wars and blood spill over the land.
It is totally justified. Before 1948 they had full access to that land. Then the zionist militias used massacres and forced expulsions to steal that land and turn the palestinians into refugees. They then gave that land to jewish immigrants and renamed those towns with jewish names.

The difference between palestine and israel is this. Israel's character as a jewish state can only be maintained if Palestinians are excluded from land that is rightfully theirs. Jews were always a minority in palestine and the jewish state was only created by the ethnic cleansing of the palestinians. In contrast a free palestine wouldn't exclude jews, it would merely honor the palestinians' right of return to their indigenous homeland. A right that Israel gives to jews across the world regardless of their connection to the land.

Like I've said, I'm a convert, my connection to the land of Israel is purely religious, none of my family or ancestors are from that land. Yet under Israeli law, I would be granted a right to return to israel, whereas people who's families lived in that land for generations wouldn't, merely because I'd be a jew and they wouldn't.

And I don't even think that the jewish right to return is even bad. Yes, I think jews should have a homeland where they can go to escape persecution, and the land of Israel has deep religious connections to the jewish people. More so than it does for Muslims or Christians. In the torah it is technically a mitzvah to go and live in Israel because that's the land God told us to live. Not to mention, a majority of jews aren't converts and can trace some ancestry back to Israel.

The issue is, it makes zero sense to give jews this special privilege when palestinians who were literally born on that land and were kicked out in 1948 weren't even allowed to return to gain their belongings that they left behind when they fled.
 
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What the fuck are you on about? we're talking about a scenario proposed by @Zenos7 where Israel gives them the occupied land back, and you said it is totally justified for Palestinians to want the entire historic Palestine. Meaning you're totally okay with more wars and blood spill over the land.
Ofc it is you dumbfuck? You're telling me Korean, Chinese, and the others were terrorist for spilling the bloods of their disgusting colonizers? And who said more wars is necessary retard? If Israel can just peacefully retreat from the land which obviously is a wishful thinking seeing how high they think of themselves no more wars will be needed.


Justified? I am telling you the reality of the world you fucking mouth breather. Borders and Nations are drawn via wars and conquest. You fucking idolo is a conqueror himself. Appealing to morality and justice is null if said conquerors don't play by the same rules.

Do I think "might is right" is good? no. If I did I would be for Israel wiping Palestinians out of existence, you know how humans have done to their adversaries for thousands of years. Instead I call for a 2 state solution, so don't put words in my mouth you loser
Then maybe you should have phrased it better idiot. "Humans don't own land", tell that to the people who were oppressed during the world war and they will all behave exactly like i did.


You fucking idolo is a conqueror himself. Appealing to morality and justice is null if said conquerors don't play by the same rules.
He never displaced people
 
It is totally justified. Before 1948 they had full access to that land. Then the zionist militias used massacres and forced expulsions to steal that land and turn the palestinians into refugees. They then gave that land to jewish immigrants and renamed those towns with jewish names.
It is not justified. By justifying it you're giving them the green light to crusade for the entire land for eternity. Most of the victims of the nakba are dead anyways.


The difference between palestine and israel is this. Israel's character as a jewish state can only be maintained if Palestinians are excluded from land that is rightfully theirs. Jews were always a minority in palestine and the jewish state was only created by the ethnic cleansing of the palestinians. In contrast a free palestine wouldn't exclude jews, it would merely honor the palestinians' right of return to their indigenous homeland. A right that Israel gives to jews across the world regardless of their connection to the land.
You are so fucking wrong lmao.

https://www.awrad.org/en/article/10...-Palestinians-in-the-West-Bank-and-Gaza-Strip

Palestinians do not want a 1 state for both jewish and Palestinians. They want a 1 state for THEMSELVES. They literally want an ethno state as well.

I'd say give it to them, west bank and gaza. You the other day had no idea why Sudan was constantly involved in wars, guess what? What you want is literally a Sudan 2.0 in the Levant.


Like I've said, I'm a convert, my connection to the land of Israel is purely religious, none of my family or ancestors are from that land. Yet under Israeli law, I would be granted a right to return to israel, whereas people who's families lived in that land for generations wouldn't, merely because I'd be a jew and they wouldn't.

And I don't even think that the jewish right to return is even bad. Yes, I think jews should have a homeland where they can go to escape persecution, and the land of Israel has deep religious connections to the jewish people. More so than it does for Muslims or Christians. In the torah it is technically a mitzvah to go and live in Israel because that's the land God told us to live. Not to mention, a majority of jews aren't converts and can trace some ancestry back to Israel.

The issue is, it makes zero sense to give jews this special privilege when palestinians who were literally born on that land and were kicked out in 1948 weren't even allowed to return to gain their belongings that they left behind when they fled.
bruh idgaf about the religious argument. The issue right now is more geopolitical in nature
 
Ofc it is you dumbfuck? You're telling me Korean, Chinese, and the others were terrorist for spilling the bloods of their disgusting colonizers?
The fuck are you talking about? Go take your meds retard.



And who said more wars is necessary retard? If Israel can just peacefully retreat from the land which obviously is a wishful thinking seeing how high they think of themselves no more wars will be needed.
The cognitive dissonance here is astonishing. "Hurr durr who said more wars are necessary? Israel just needs to leave which they don't want nor never will"

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Then maybe you should have phrased it better idiot. "Humans don't own land", tell that to the people who were oppressed during the world war and they will all behave exactly like i did.
I would too, you know where I can find one?


He never displaced people
he did worse
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Why so triggered my bunny ?
I hate when morons put words in my mouth because they can't read
 
The fuck are you talking about? Go take your meds retard
Was that not clear enough to you?


The cognitive dissonance here is aoustonishing. "Hurr durr who said more wars are necessary? Israel just needs to leave which they don't want or never will"
It's the reality, no one in their right mind would think they are peaceful. Zionists are literally the most racists being





I would too, you know where I can find one?
Goes to show your true colors. Clown retard


Lmao nah
 
Was that not clear enough to you?
No because it literally has nothing to do with the conversation.

Again conversation was "Israel agrees to give up gaza and west bank, will the Palestinians still want the entirety of israel?" and you said yes.

What the fuck do the Koreans and Chinese have anything to do with? They fought the occupiers and with the help of the West pushed them off. Koreans are not waging wars with the chinese right now for land they had 100 years ago.

The equivalent would be the CCP taking over Taiwan because it was historically part of china, or Russia taking Ukraine.... oh wait.




It's the reality, no one in their right mind would think they are peaceful. Zionists are literally the most racists being
So you agree that you're a total moron who contradicted himself in the same sentence? lmao





Goes to show your true colors. Clown retard
Thanks, humans don't own the land
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You entered politics thread, this is what you get
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No because it literally has nothing to do with the conversation.

Again conversation was "Israel agrees to give up gaza and west bank, will the Palestinians still want the entirety of israel?" and you said yes.

What the fuck do the Koreans and Chinese have anything to do with? They fought the occupiers and with the help of the West pushed them off. Koreans are not waging wars with the chinese right now for land they had 100 years ago.

The equivalent would be the CCP taking over Taiwan because it was historically part of china, or Russia taking Ukraine.... oh wait.
First off, they got to do with it. Do you think if Japan agreed to return only a portion of the land, Korean and Chinese would have agreed?

Second, you're ignorantly forget the part where Palestinian are literally put in a huge concentration camp.




So you agree that you're a total moron who contradicted himself in the same sentence? lmao
Says someone who doesn't like other to put words. Im just sharing my expectation
 
First off, they got to do with it. Do you think if Japan agreed to return only a portion of the land, Korean and Chinese would have agreed?
Again, that didn't happen 100 years ago. Korea and Manchuria are not filled with ethnic japanese.

If that was the case then yes, China and Korea would be unreasonable for wanting that land back.



Second, you're ignorantly forget the part where Palestinian are literally put in a huge concentration camp.
Again, what the fuck does this have to do with anything? I want Palestinians to have their own land and autonomy. Obviously I would be against Israel occupying the land and putting them in concentration camps.

Seriously take you meds, you're seeing things and shadowboxing.


Says someone who doesn't like other to put words. Im just sharing my expectation
Nah you're incoherent af. You said wars aren't necessary, then right after claim that wars will happen. Moron
 
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