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After thinking a bit more about the recent Israel-Hamas conflict for the last week, I thought of something.
The United States (and especially the Biden Administration) might not be standing firmly against Israel on their recent atrocities here because in some way, it provides an opportunity for the US to take in more refugees from Gaza. In some strange way, if the US does manage to take in refugees that were directly impacted by the IDF's retaliation, a significant chunk of Biden's voter base (left wing + social democrats) would actually treat it as an act of generosity from his end, increasing Biden's chances of winning the next election that's coming in 2024.
Of course, the republicans condemning the case scenario that I brought up above is a given considering they're not very welcoming of USA taking in more displaced refugees.
Surprisingly, the percentage of the US population that actually approve of IDF's retaliation against Palestine after the recent Oct 7 attack that happened just over a month ago is considerably under 50%.
But will the US consider the option of taking in Palestinian refugees as a plausible case scenario?
The United States (and especially the Biden Administration) might not be standing firmly against Israel on their recent atrocities here because in some way, it provides an opportunity for the US to take in more refugees from Gaza. In some strange way, if the US does manage to take in refugees that were directly impacted by the IDF's retaliation, a significant chunk of Biden's voter base (left wing + social democrats) would actually treat it as an act of generosity from his end, increasing Biden's chances of winning the next election that's coming in 2024.
Of course, the republicans condemning the case scenario that I brought up above is a given considering they're not very welcoming of USA taking in more displaced refugees.
Surprisingly, the percentage of the US population that actually approve of IDF's retaliation against Palestine after the recent Oct 7 attack that happened just over a month ago is considerably under 50%.
But will the US consider the option of taking in Palestinian refugees as a plausible case scenario?
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Optimal solution to all this, is for the European colonisers to go back to where they came from, alongside their American counterparts.
The Middle Eastern Jews that got pressured, via mossad style terrorism, can stay cause at least they're Middle Eastern and can be negotiated with.
You can't negotiate with white supremacists, history has taught as that all over the world.
Well looks like God's Chosen Deceitful People, have already broken the 4 day truce. Wasn't really expecting much from, but not even waiting 12 hours?
The Middle Eastern Jews that got pressured, via mossad style terrorism, can stay cause at least they're Middle Eastern and can be negotiated with.
You can't negotiate with white supremacists, history has taught as that all over the world.
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Well looks like God's Chosen Deceitful People, have already broken the 4 day truce. Wasn't really expecting much from, but not even waiting 12 hours?
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The percentage of people supporting Palestine in the US may be significant enough here such that refugees from Palestine that have been directly affected by Israel could be snuck in.
Instead of a war cry from the already frustrated US citizens that have strong opinions against the influx of refugees being imported in, there's going to be a couple protests but nothing major...
Areas that are primarily republican-dominant should reject housing any more refugees than they have to.
States that are democrat-dominant should be the one to accept them as the population there have favourable opinions towards accepting refugees of any kind, although it's never guaranteed that these refugees will treat the existing locals with reverence.
@Sekai Saikyō Mihawk AND this conflict might just get a lot worse compared to before...
Instead of a war cry from the already frustrated US citizens that have strong opinions against the influx of refugees being imported in, there's going to be a couple protests but nothing major...
Areas that are primarily republican-dominant should reject housing any more refugees than they have to.
States that are democrat-dominant should be the one to accept them as the population there have favourable opinions towards accepting refugees of any kind, although it's never guaranteed that these refugees will treat the existing locals with reverence.
@Sekai Saikyō Mihawk AND this conflict might just get a lot worse compared to before...
I'm just making guesses on what may happen if enough of the population in Palestine ends up getting displaced.
Biden Administration seems to be happy to take in refugees most of the time so the case scenario where Palestinian refugees end up getting shipped over may be a possibility?
It's also possible that the Biden Administration fully backs up Israel and thus they got no need for Palestinians to play any sort of "role" for them at all.
Biden Administration seems to be happy to take in refugees most of the time so the case scenario where Palestinian refugees end up getting shipped over may be a possibility?
It's also possible that the Biden Administration fully backs up Israel and thus they got no need for Palestinians to play any sort of "role" for them at all.
The more you talk, the more you functionally prove how stupid you are. This is insipid screed that has zero bearing in actual history. I get that you're one of the dumb fucks that converts to a religion that you actually hate in order to discredit it, but even for that, this is peak idiocy.
The only thing in this mountain of bullshit that is actually accurate, though completely unintentionally because not in the way you intended, is that Jews arent indigenous to Palestine. They're indigenous to Israel, formerly known as Judea and Samaria, which yoh might recognize becuase the word "Jew" comes from "Judea". For fucks sake, the name Palestine itself is evidence to Jewish indigenous presence in Israel. The name comes from Syria Palestina, which was a punishment to Jews as Romans renamed Judea and Samaria after the Philistines, old adversaries of the Jews, following rebellions. Arab presence in the land didn't come until hundreds of years after Jesus' death.
You talk about European Jews, but fail in your racist garbage to finish the thought of why they were there. They were stolen as slaves and spread across the Roman empire. Unfortunately for your stupidity, DNA does trace Jewish blood back to their roots in Israel. Not yours, of course, because you converted to a religion you hate under the tutelage of people who apparently also hate it and wish to see it discredited.
Zionism affirms nothing other than the right of Jews to live in the place they are indigenous to for over four thousand years. None of your bullshit changes that.
The only thing in this mountain of bullshit that is actually accurate, though completely unintentionally because not in the way you intended, is that Jews arent indigenous to Palestine. They're indigenous to Israel, formerly known as Judea and Samaria, which yoh might recognize becuase the word "Jew" comes from "Judea". For fucks sake, the name Palestine itself is evidence to Jewish indigenous presence in Israel. The name comes from Syria Palestina, which was a punishment to Jews as Romans renamed Judea and Samaria after the Philistines, old adversaries of the Jews, following rebellions. Arab presence in the land didn't come until hundreds of years after Jesus' death.
You talk about European Jews, but fail in your racist garbage to finish the thought of why they were there. They were stolen as slaves and spread across the Roman empire. Unfortunately for your stupidity, DNA does trace Jewish blood back to their roots in Israel. Not yours, of course, because you converted to a religion you hate under the tutelage of people who apparently also hate it and wish to see it discredited.
Zionism affirms nothing other than the right of Jews to live in the place they are indigenous to for over four thousand years. None of your bullshit changes that.
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That's an illusion
The conflict is very simple : A crypto fascist state has been colonizing a region for more than 60 years, is putting million people under an open air prison and is oppressing those people in diverse manner day to day. In response, the people voted for an extremist party in resistance that is has done a war crime on 7 of october. The oppressive crypto fascist state is now using that to punish all the population, make an ethnical cleansing and multiple war crime and push to the limits its colonization process.
Aside of that, only a few country dare to name the crimes of this oppressive state.
The solutions are simple:
- Complete end of the colonization process
- Compensation for the colonization and give the home back to the oppressed people
- End of the Prison of Gaza
- Redrawing of the frontiers
- Better treatment for the minorities in Israel
- involvement of third party
- Sanction on Israel
- Punishment for those who did war crime (head of Hamas / Netanyaou etc.)
- Punishment for oppressive behavior such as zionist colonizer's racism.
etc.
The conflict is very simple : A crypto fascist state has been colonizing a region for more than 60 years, is putting million people under an open air prison and is oppressing those people in diverse manner day to day. In response, the people voted for an extremist party in resistance that is has done a war crime on 7 of october. The oppressive crypto fascist state is now using that to punish all the population, make an ethnical cleansing and multiple war crime and push to the limits its colonization process.
Aside of that, only a few country dare to name the crimes of this oppressive state.
The solutions are simple:
- Complete end of the colonization process
- Compensation for the colonization and give the home back to the oppressed people
- End of the Prison of Gaza
- Redrawing of the frontiers
- Better treatment for the minorities in Israel
- involvement of third party
- Sanction on Israel
- Punishment for those who did war crime (head of Hamas / Netanyaou etc.)
- Punishment for oppressive behavior such as zionist colonizer's racism.
etc.
Well a very small minority of them have been around for hundreds of years and basically assimilated into Palestinian culture pre-Zionism.
But yeah most are recent immigrants.
Lmao I didn’t give a fuck about Israel/palestine until I began conversion.
I learned about the conflict specifically because of my religion and I oppose Israel because I don’t support them committing war crimes in the name of Judaism.
Yes, yes I know the history of the Jews. This is irrelevant.
While it is true that most Jews have some ancestry from the levant, the actual cultures of these people are unique to the places their families moved to after the expulsion.
Ashkenazi culture is a uniquely European culture created by the syncretism of the initial middle eastern Jews and the native Europeans. Nobody in the Middle East speaks any language even similar to Yiddish. They don’t have surnames like “Schneerson” or “Rothschild”.
Claiming these people are indigenous to the levant is like claiming that Mexicans are indigenous to Iberia or that North Indians are indigenous to Iran.
It’s a gross oversimplification of these peoples history and culture.
Arab culture came to the land later on. But the people of the land didn’t drastically change.
The Arabs just conquered these people and spread their culture making them Palestinian Arabs.
Zionism isn’t Judaism. It’s a secular ideology created by a non religious Jew.
Zionism wished to create a Jewish state in a land where Jews were only a minority. Something that could only be done via the forced transfer of land.
They did this initially by buying land from absentee landlords and kicking out the Palestinians tenants, a form of discrimination illegal in most western countries. They also refused to include Palestinians in their economy, they wanted to create a closed economy that only Jews could participate in so that Palestinians would need to leave.
Later they eventually did the nakba, where they expelled most of the Palestinians, stole their land, and gave that land to Jewish immigrants. And Palestinians who tried to come back and get their property were barred and some I believe were even killed.
But yeah most are recent immigrants.
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Lmao I didn’t give a fuck about Israel/palestine until I began conversion.
I learned about the conflict specifically because of my religion and I oppose Israel because I don’t support them committing war crimes in the name of Judaism.
Yes, yes I know the history of the Jews. This is irrelevant.
While it is true that most Jews have some ancestry from the levant, the actual cultures of these people are unique to the places their families moved to after the expulsion.
Ashkenazi culture is a uniquely European culture created by the syncretism of the initial middle eastern Jews and the native Europeans. Nobody in the Middle East speaks any language even similar to Yiddish. They don’t have surnames like “Schneerson” or “Rothschild”.
Claiming these people are indigenous to the levant is like claiming that Mexicans are indigenous to Iberia or that North Indians are indigenous to Iran.
It’s a gross oversimplification of these peoples history and culture.
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Arab culture came to the land later on. But the people of the land didn’t drastically change.
The Arabs just conquered these people and spread their culture making them Palestinian Arabs.
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Zionism isn’t Judaism. It’s a secular ideology created by a non religious Jew.
Zionism wished to create a Jewish state in a land where Jews were only a minority. Something that could only be done via the forced transfer of land.
They did this initially by buying land from absentee landlords and kicking out the Palestinians tenants, a form of discrimination illegal in most western countries. They also refused to include Palestinians in their economy, they wanted to create a closed economy that only Jews could participate in so that Palestinians would need to leave.
Later they eventually did the nakba, where they expelled most of the Palestinians, stole their land, and gave that land to Jewish immigrants. And Palestinians who tried to come back and get their property were barred and some I believe were even killed.
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I'm not sure about Biden but the Republicans in office and running for president have already pledged to fight against the idea completely. The "Muslim ban" is about 80% likely at the time this war will finish.
They also cite the "increase in terrorism" thing, same as they do with Mexicans and such. Which of course is bullshit because guess which kinda guy got 18 kills in Maine? Who stabbed a Palestinian child to death in Chicago?
An Arab shop owner was attacked last night in my city. I was informed that he's in the hospital through others from the masjid. It's been 12 hours and it's not on the news yet. The majority of terrorism happens against immigrants rather than the opposite, or they're just domestic for the fuck of it.
They also cite the "increase in terrorism" thing, same as they do with Mexicans and such. Which of course is bullshit because guess which kinda guy got 18 kills in Maine? Who stabbed a Palestinian child to death in Chicago?
An Arab shop owner was attacked last night in my city. I was informed that he's in the hospital through others from the masjid. It's been 12 hours and it's not on the news yet. The majority of terrorism happens against immigrants rather than the opposite, or they're just domestic for the fuck of it.
