Break Week People who aren't swordsman in OP

#4
Zoro already answered this question
"Holding a Sword isn't same as Using Sword-Style"

Likes of King, Pica, Kizaru ... etc didn't show any Sword-Style nor any Advanced Swordsmanship Technique such as Flying Slash or Cutting Iron.
As for Big Mom, She does uses Elbaf Giant's Sword-Style, similar to Dorry, which means She is indeed a Swordsman
Same for Diamante, Brook, Hyouzou, Cracker, Inurashi, Fujitora ... etc
 
#7
As for Big Mom, She does uses Elbaf Giant's Sword-Style, similar to Dorry, which means She is indeed a Swordsman
How does that work when the same attack was used with a club and an axe (ignoring for now that both Dorrys and Brogys weapons were blunt at that point)?
Hakoku, Ikoku and Hakai are not a weapon specific attacks.
Man has an infinitely stronger case of being a swordsman than BM has.

Anyone who uses a sword almost exclusively for combat based actions is a swordsman.
This definition leaves open the possibility to bite someones throat or kick them if the situation requires.
If Zoro were to lose his swords for whatever reason and continue on fighting without them he would still be a swordsmen.
If Luffy picked up a sword mid fight and started swinging it he would not become a swordsman.
It is actually quite simple.
 
#8
I go by people who don't necessarily need a sword to fight and aren't severally weaker when they don't hold a sword. Such examples are Linlin, Kizaru, King, Pica and Arlong.
King is significantly weaker without his sword (his physical attacks are mostly with sword, his strongest fire attacks require sword to channel).
But yeah, the rest you mentioned don't face that issue

With King, I think the issue was that he used swordbreaker technique, which for Zoro disqualifies him as a swordsman.
Honestly I don't understand it, cause King himself is proud of his swordsmanship and enjoys it, he just doesn't restrict himself to it. Some honor thing I guess.

Anyway, IMO safest characters that go into swordsmen are sword users with no DF - Roger, Rayleigh, Shanks, Mihawk, Zoro, Vista, Cavendish etc are all swordsmen. Zoro getting advanced Conqueror's haki, with reasoning that WSS is a dream that requires Conqueror's haki, basically killed any hakiman arguments.
Having a DF doesn't necessarily disqualify too from being a swordsman too, since Kaku and Seraphim Mihawk are swordsmen as well. Fujitora is a weird case, he's called blind swordsman, has "gravity swordsmanship" etc, but I say pulling a meteor from space doesn't come under swordsmanship.
 
#9
King is significantly weaker without his sword (his physical attacks are mostly with sword, his strongest fire attacks require sword to channel).
But yeah, the rest you mentioned don't face that issue

With King, I think the issue was that he used swordbreaker technique, which for Zoro disqualifies him as a swordsman.
Honestly I don't understand it, cause King himself is proud of his swordsmanship and enjoys it, he just doesn't restrict himself to it. Some honor thing I guess.

Anyway, IMO safest characters that go into swordsmen are sword users with no DF - Roger, Rayleigh, Shanks, Mihawk, Zoro, Vista, Cavendish etc are all swordsmen. Zoro getting advanced Conqueror's haki, with reasoning that WSS is a dream that requires Conqueror's haki, basically killed any hakiman arguments.
Having a DF doesn't necessarily disqualify too from being a swordsman too, since Kaku and Seraphim Mihawk are swordsmen as well. Fujitora is a weird case, he's called blind swordsman, has "gravity swordsmanship" etc, but I say pulling a meteor from space doesn't come under swordsmanship.
Veey often you have good takes.
Pleasure to read such tidy breakdowns.
 
#11
How does that work when the same attack was used with a club and an axe (ignoring for now that both Dorrys and Brogys weapons were blunt at that point)?
Hakoku, Ikoku and Hakai are not a weapon specific attacks.
Man has an infinitely stronger case of being a swordsman than BM has.

Anyone who uses a sword almost exclusively for combat based actions is a swordsman.
This definition leaves open the possibility to bite someones throat or kick them if the situation requires.
If Zoro were to lose his swords for whatever reason and continue on fighting without them he would still be a swordsmen.
If Luffy picked up a sword mid fight and started swinging it he would not become a swordsman.
It is actually quite simple.
Tempest kicks are generated from legs but still stated as swordsmanship
The attack doesn’t need to be a sword related attack but if it’s from a sword then it’s swordsmanship
 
#14
Rankyaku are Rokushiki. They are used by people who never in their life used a sword. They are definitely NOT sword techniques.
I mean kaku was calling his tempest kicks part of his four sword style. They are slashing attacks. They are wind blades

King is significantly weaker without his sword (his physical attacks are mostly with sword, his strongest fire attacks require sword to channel).
But yeah, the rest you mentioned don't face that issue

With King, I think the issue was that he used swordbreaker technique, which for Zoro disqualifies him as a swordsman.
Honestly I don't understand it, cause King himself is proud of his swordsmanship and enjoys it, he just doesn't restrict himself to it. Some honor thing I guess.

Anyway, IMO safest characters that go into swordsmen are sword users with no DF - Roger, Rayleigh, Shanks, Mihawk, Zoro, Vista, Cavendish etc are all swordsmen. Zoro getting advanced Conqueror's haki, with reasoning that WSS is a dream that requires Conqueror's haki, basically killed any hakiman arguments.
Having a DF doesn't necessarily disqualify too from being a swordsman too, since Kaku and Seraphim Mihawk are swordsmen as well. Fujitora is a weird case, he's called blind swordsman, has "gravity swordsmanship" etc, but I say pulling a meteor from space doesn't come under swordsmanship.
King does not require a sword to use his final attack. That is headcanon
 
#19
Why did he use his sword on both occasions he used that attack then?

Based on manga showings, yes he needs his sword for those attacks
Bro what?

You're claiming his lunarian power needs a sword to create the image of a giant dragon?

Are you smoking crack?:whitepress:

I can think of several reasons as to why he was holding his sword. Lmfao. All of them more credible than what you claimed with 0 proof. All of them obvious and acceptable answers as to why.
 
#20
Bro what?

You're claiming his lunarian power needs a sword to create the image of a giant dragon?

Are you smoking crack?:whitepress:

I can think of several reasons as to why he was holding his sword. Lmfao. All of them more credible than what you claimed with 0 proof. All of them obvious and acceptable answers as to why.
I'm saying the creation of that dragon requires channeling, which King has only shown via his sword.
I didn't say anything about King needing his sword to create magma flames. That is his inherent ability as a Lunarian.
Know the difference between ability and technique.

Now stop quoting me with dumb shit.
 
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