I argued that Houken would defeat Moubu in that thread, and I still think it’s pretty much either way or slight advantage Houken.
But Man’U is something else entirely and I’m not sure how strong we’re actually supposed to see him as being. Like I said previously, the man legit scrubified Moubu, no excuses.
And Moubu overcame Kanmei’s enormous weight, Kanmei was a legit veteran GG with just as much experience and victories as a member of the Qin 6, if Kanmei was lacking anywhere it was the fact that he never tasted defeat once which IMO is crucial to becoming a top tier general, but otherwise he should’ve had just as much weight as any other GG, but Moubu still defeated him before later being overcome by Man’U’s emptiness.
Man’U’s strength seems to make such little sense that Hara had to have Man’U be weaker than Kanmei out of nowhere so readers wouldn’t get confused lol.
But yeah if Moubu vs Houken is either way, then Man’U is defeating Houken imo.