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you are phrasing it like im saying isarel did good by bombing innocent civilians at a shelter
I am not a moral absolutist.
my honest take was nether side is perfectly free of wrongdoing
my understanding is that both side want ownership of the gaze strip and they are as such fighting over it
Im not sure where the oppression narrative comes from
Heard some questionable statements of officials saying they will manipulate the media and genocide Palestinians but that seems more like a modern day thing
the Palestinians lived there for thousands of years right
both sides kill and murder
it's not as black and white as you want to claim
THe problem is that by not taking side you ARE taking side. This is the principle of not taking a side in front of oppression.
Let's say that you see a woman being beaten up in front of you by a stranger. Choosing not to help her IS taking a side.
Well check again.
Maybe because the isralian gov has been colonizing and oppressing palestinian for more than 70 years ???
That's exacly what I'm saying to you, this is not black and white, and this is not "both side are murderers", this is, one side is an oppressor, the other the oppressed.
Let's say that you see a woman being beaten up in front of you by a stranger. Choosing not to help her IS taking a side.
Well check again.
Maybe because the isralian gov has been colonizing and oppressing palestinian for more than 70 years ???
That's exacly what I'm saying to you, this is not black and white, and this is not "both side are murderers", this is, one side is an oppressor, the other the oppressed.
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Not taking a side in front of clear oppression only help said oppression. So by not taking responsibility of choosing a side, we ARE taking a side because we refuse to act in front of oppression.
Again, I could take another example. Let's see that you see a child be bullied and beaten up in the street by three goons. If you choose to walk away, you are CHOOSING not to act and help the kid. Therefore you ARE taking a side.
Again, I could take another example. Let's see that you see a child be bullied and beaten up in the street by three goons. If you choose to walk away, you are CHOOSING not to act and help the kid. Therefore you ARE taking a side.
Respectfully, I disagree with the whole "silence is violence" notion. In these hypothetical situations, one could be acting in the interest of self preservation as they may not be fully aware of the situation. What if the assailant has a weapon, for example? Would you be willing to give up your own life for someone that you don't know simply because you feel you are choosing a side by not acting at all? If you choose not to act, that does not mean that you support bullying or violence against women. You can twist it to look that way and people will buy it which is how we ended up with this entire idea to begin with but that way of thinking doesn't always correlate to reality.
Self preservation in front of oppression is still a choice.
I'm not saying that siding against oppression is something easy here. I'm saying that this is the responsibility of all humans. You choose to look the other way while someone takes a beating. Ok. But you are choosing the side of the oppressor. The lack of response in front of oppression is the reason why so many people died during WWII in concentration camps.
The lack of support is still a support if it favors the oppressor, even if its a case of selfpreservation. This is a simple sociological data.
I'm not saying that siding against oppression is something easy here. I'm saying that this is the responsibility of all humans. You choose to look the other way while someone takes a beating. Ok. But you are choosing the side of the oppressor. The lack of response in front of oppression is the reason why so many people died during WWII in concentration camps.
The lack of support is still a support if it favors the oppressor, even if its a case of selfpreservation. This is a simple sociological data.
Not necessarily as you can work in different ways to oppose this kind of oppression without physically risking your own life. You can simply call the cops. You can vote on laws to get harsher punishment for these acts which can act as a deterrent from them happening to begin with. You can create a platform that raises funds for mental healthcare. Acting in self preservation in these cases does not equate to supporting these acts of oppression. Even saying it favors them is dishonest because the situation would not change if you weren't present to begin with. In order to say it favors them, your presence would have to provide them with an advantage that they otherwise would not have had.
Case and point.
No, this is sociology. The hegemonic thinking about this conflict consist in simplifying the battle between two equal side (like you are doing it now). THe reality is : it's not two equal side. There is a side that has been oppressed for generation and a side, much more powerfull that is oppressing the populations and colonization the lands illegitimately and illegally.
Of course. But in this case you are taking the side of the oppressed. Siding with the oppressed doesn't mean that you necessarly has to take all the beating for them, only heroes and Luffy does that. Siding with them means that you make them voices heard.
For example, siding with Palestianian means that you will make the voice of Palestinian heard, either by explaining l(like I'm doing) the conflict to those who don't understand it or by protesting for example.
Siding means taking a side. After that, you can do small things if that's the only thing that you are capable of doing. For example, I can't protest because of my condition, so instead I'm trying to fight bigotery here. I just choose to fight bigotery in my own way with my own capacities.
Looking away means choosing not to act. It means staying silent in front of oppression or injustice.
No, this is sociology. The hegemonic thinking about this conflict consist in simplifying the battle between two equal side (like you are doing it now). THe reality is : it's not two equal side. There is a side that has been oppressed for generation and a side, much more powerfull that is oppressing the populations and colonization the lands illegitimately and illegally.
Of course. But in this case you are taking the side of the oppressed. Siding with the oppressed doesn't mean that you necessarly has to take all the beating for them, only heroes and Luffy does that. Siding with them means that you make them voices heard.
For example, siding with Palestianian means that you will make the voice of Palestinian heard, either by explaining l(like I'm doing) the conflict to those who don't understand it or by protesting for example.
Siding means taking a side. After that, you can do small things if that's the only thing that you are capable of doing. For example, I can't protest because of my condition, so instead I'm trying to fight bigotery here. I just choose to fight bigotery in my own way with my own capacities.
Looking away means choosing not to act. It means staying silent in front of oppression or injustice.
Im not retarded
if you wanna get in a life and death fight
where you can get stabbed, shot,raped or worse
you can do that but most people are just gonna walk away and call the cops
im just gonna walk away, no cops or anything.
that's just me tho
I dont really want the legal trouble
and carrot, you a skinny white dude with rich white parents
it's not like ever even been in a fight once in your life
im not like that, im just some low class dude nobody gonna care if they kill me
so why risk my life for a random women especially in that situation.
the woman wouldt help you if you got beat up
Equal no
Israel is a bigger country with more connections and power
i dont think anyone disputes that much
You realize this kinda opressed argument can be levied at nazi germany too, after ww1 germany had heavy tariffs and were stigmatized which lead to hitler taking power appealing to the good of the german people
and here's the thing with the opressed angle, it's not one sided
oppression is not two sided
jews got destroyed and nearly genocided, where's the death toll for germans
slaves got well enslaved, the plantation owners didt get any negative punishment
did they??
and as goes for the spindards who conquered north america, killing and destroying the native american culture
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dude you really think carrot gonna try having a brawl with a dude?
it's just politics shit
your taking carrot more seriously then he takes himself
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dude you really think carrot gonna try having a brawl with a dude?
it's just politics shit
your taking carrot more seriously then he takes himself
if you wanna get in a life and death fight
where you can get stabbed, shot,raped or worse
you can do that but most people are just gonna walk away and call the cops
im just gonna walk away, no cops or anything.
that's just me tho
I dont really want the legal trouble
and carrot, you a skinny white dude with rich white parents
it's not like ever even been in a fight once in your life
im not like that, im just some low class dude nobody gonna care if they kill me
so why risk my life for a random women especially in that situation.
the woman wouldt help you if you got beat up
Equal no
Israel is a bigger country with more connections and power
i dont think anyone disputes that much
You realize this kinda opressed argument can be levied at nazi germany too, after ww1 germany had heavy tariffs and were stigmatized which lead to hitler taking power appealing to the good of the german people
and here's the thing with the opressed angle, it's not one sided
oppression is not two sided
jews got destroyed and nearly genocided, where's the death toll for germans
slaves got well enslaved, the plantation owners didt get any negative punishment
did they??
and as goes for the spindards who conquered north america, killing and destroying the native american culture
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dude you really think carrot gonna try having a brawl with a dude?
it's just politics shit
your taking carrot more seriously then he takes himself
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dude you really think carrot gonna try having a brawl with a dude?
it's just politics shit
your taking carrot more seriously then he takes himself
I don't think you'd really face legal trouble just for reporting an incident. I'm also not going to say that you support violence against women for choosing not to take any action at all but my inner mind would say that you failed your moral obligation, which is something that I believe that a society is built upon.
Might have to have testify in court if you were to have called or might get attacked as revenge by the guy who harmed the woman
in such situations, it's kinda up to the woman to protect herself
pepper spray,fire arm or whatever
Some might say, it's not manly or whatever to not protect woman but none of these guys really would have the balls to get in a real fight like that anyway
it's all talk like carrot like you think he gonna get a knife fight with a dude
you cant treat people as if theyre convicted of a crime until they have been convicted in a court of law. thats like the entire foundation of the american justice system. you are innocent until proven guilty. considering january 6th objectively wasnt an insurrection and he told people to go home that day, im not sure what they want to do