Speculations The Blackbeard Vs Strawhat match ups are easy.

[Garp the Fist]

You know, with the introduction of Cross Guild I won’t be too bothered if Zoro vs Shiryu doesn’t happen.

If we have a big chaotic war where Strawhats, Cross Guild and Blackbeard Pirates (among others) are all fighting each other, then I wouldn’t mind seeing Shiryu getting passed over for Mihawk.

I would genuinely not complain if Zoro vs Mihawk started with Mihawk one-shotting Shiryu and putting him out of the way.

I also won’t complain if we get Zoro vs Shiryu, because the more fights the better.

 

[kumae]

I don’t think the title is what is important the group is.

And Nami can’t fight Lafitte cause Lafitte is too strong. It’s like when people were think Franky and Chopper could beat Queen.

And that’s why I think the BBP are leaving with York. She’s a woman who’s backstory of joining the Blackbeard pirates would perfectly mirror namis backstory and shares the same themes of Nami with a darker twist to them

Laffite is competent not strong
Do you think auger is also strong because has a broken abilitiy one of the best sharpshotters......all of that to fight the weakest strawhat

 

[Topi Jerami]

Luffy vs Blackbeard (fodder relying on OP devil fruit vs fodder relying on OP devil fruit)
Zoro vs Shiryu (swordsman vs swordsman)
Jinbe vs Aokiji (former shichibukai vs former Admiral, blue whale vs blue pheasant)
Sanji vs Burgess (hype tool vs hype tool)

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Laffite is competent not strong
Do you think auger is also strong because has a broken abilitiy one of the best sharpshotters......all of that to fight the weakest strawhat

Lafitte was fast and reactive enough to dodge aces attack which no other BB Pirate could. And Lafitte was confident in his ability to kill Pizarro by himself post impel down…

And again, odas never given the title of chief of staff to anyone who isn’t one of the strongest in their crews. But that’s vivre card So if you disagree with that fair enough I get that

 

[kumae]

Okay leaving this aside @Sir Yasheen if vivi joins (with the nikyu fruit)who do you think she is fighting robin confronts aokiji and she fights Devon since she is young and beautiful 🤔

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Okay leaving this aside @Sir Yasheen if vivi joins (with the nikyu fruit)who do you think she is fighting robin confronts aokiji and she fights Devon since she is young and beautiful 🤔

I genuinely don’t think Vivi is joining because it just feels like a random place for her right now as she has no dream right now but if she does join with that fruit then it would have to be against Pizarro and Coby would go elsewhere (as I said i don’t think it’s happening) as her entire character story is about being a good leader to the people and she hates those who abuse there lower and narrative is what drives matchups

 

[IsaziSempi]

Laffite is competent not strong
Do you think auger is also strong because has a broken abilitiy one of the best sharpshotters......all of that to fight the weakest strawhat

Yes Lafitte and Auger are both strong. In fact all the titanic captains are strong. Only one that's not strong is stronger. Van auger is going to be as strong as Yasopp. Laffite might be one of the stronger ones. Devon is going to be the weakest but not weak. Her speed and strenght is going to eclipse Nami's but don't forget this is the bitch who was stabbing whitebeard. Took a direct hit from Sengoku. Jesus was already throwing houses around and Blackbeard went to Impel down to get strong commanders.

They will probably range in strenght from the weakest being around Owen's level and the strongest being about Katakuri's level. But Oda will hype shiryuu up to seem like Yamato level but he won't be.

 

[Mansex]

I agree with everything but I don't think Robin will fight anyone because she is crucial in the race for One Piece. She will play a key role outside of the fights, probably with Kuzan as well. Which raises the question who will fill in the last match up.

 

[kumae]

Yes Lafitte and Auger are both strong. In fact all the titanic captains are strong. Only one that's not strong is stronger. Van auger is going to be as strong as Yasopp. Laffite might be one of the stronger ones. Devon is going to be the weakest but not weak. Her speed and strenght is going to eclipse Nami's but don't forget this is the bitch who was stabbing whitebeard. Took a direct hit from Sengoku. Jesus was already throwing houses around and Blackbeard went to Impel down to get strong commanders.

They will probably range in strenght from the weakest being around Owen's level and the strongest being about Katakuri's level. But Oda will hype shiryuu up to seem like Yamato level but he won't be.

Imo goes
1 tier:Shiryu burguess pizarro they're fighting the new monster trio
2 tier:Devon laffite auger laffite auger vs nami Ussop because duo
3 tier:Doc wolf Vasco for non human strawhats franky chopper and Brook
And ofc luffy Teach

Post automatically merged: Dec 23, 2023

Btw where is mentioned laffite chier of staff because road to laughtale says he is navigator and in the case he is databooks (wich are also canon)says that nami is the most suitable to have that role in the SH

 

[IsaziSempi]

Imo goes
1 tier:Shiryu burguess pizarro they're fighting the new monster trio
2 tier:Devon laffite auger laffite auger vs nami Ussop because duo
3 tier:Doc wolf Vasco for non human strawhats franky chopper and Brook
And ofc luffy Teach

Post automatically merged: Dec 23, 2023

Btw where is mentioned laffite chier of staff because road to laughtale says he is navigator and in the case he is databooks (wich are also canon)says that nami is the most suitable to have that role in the SH

Of course BB is leaps and bounds above his crew being a Yonkou.

Tier 1
Van auger, shiryuu, avalro
When bb was fighting Ace he told Burgess and Van Auger to stay back they weren't a match for Ace yet. Meaning for them he had seen them as being able to match Ace in the future. I don't think burgess will be a match for Ace in the story. He has a nice DF and some great base strenght but has shown paltry haki in comparison to someone like Sano who is Ace 2.0. Van Auger is the Yasopp of the crew. A great marksman, very cold and calculated and a pretty unstoppable df. Unlike most df users that can teleport he can teleport other people. How Usopp will beat him I don't know shiryuu was already commander level before getting back into the world, he's undoubtedly training haki and has an ok DF. Avalro has challenged teach was royalty an infamous criminal before eating a totally busted Df.
Essentially they're fighting the strawhats that marched on Arlong Park. Usopp, Sanji and zoro.

Tier two:
Lafitte, Jesus and Vasco Shot

Lafitte I shouldn't even have to speak on the man snuck into marineford and entered a room of monsters with no fear. Jesus is strong, easily a match for yc2's though he's kind of dumb aggroant and too focused on strenght. Vasco is ambiguous which is one of the best things to be in One Piece. He didn't get an obviously busted df which should be another green flag on his capability. Jenbe, Brooke and Fanky are all extremely strong fighters that we've never really seen go all out. Most of them have pushed a base Luffy and even looked good against him but lack the upper echelon of destructive power we know the monster trio can produce.

Tier 3
Catarina Devon, Saun Juan Wolfe, doq q

Not weak in any way but they are the opponents for strawhats who aren't combat based. Sure Chopper and Robin are part of the middle trio but never are seen working about strenght or getting stronger. Saun is really strong but seems to have the mind of a devious child. Similarly to the Fishman giant on fishman island. Probably going to get spanked by mommy robin. Devon will likely have every advantage against Nami but will be defeated being Nami's toughest fight by far. Doq q probably has two sets of hax. Whatever made him strong enough to fight on blackbeards crew and his new busted DF.

That leaves Aokiji for Yamato

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Imo goes
1 tier:Shiryu burguess pizarro they're fighting the new monster trio
2 tier:Devon laffite auger laffite auger vs nami Ussop because duo
3 tier:Doc wolf Vasco for non human strawhats franky chopper and Brook
And ofc luffy Teach

Post automatically merged: Dec 23, 2023

Btw where is mentioned laffite chier of staff because road to laughtale says he is navigator and in the case he is databooks (wich are also canon)says that nami is the most suitable to have that role in the SH

Lafittes vivre card

 

[God of Finance]

I think you mean Pizarro.

Oh well in that case sure. Pizzaro>Kuzan.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Oh well in that case sure. Pizzaro>Kuzan.

I don't think Kuzan's fighting any of the Straw Hats unless the next member is top tier, and that's likely not happening.

 

[Peppercat]

Luffy vs blackbeard (captain)
zoro vs Shiryuu (swordsman)
Sanji vs Pizarro Alvarro (royalty)
Robin vs Suan wuan wolf (brain vs brawn/ ability vs strenght)
Franky vs Vasco shot ( Cola vs Wine)duh
Brooke Vs Laffite (weren't both on some type of taskforce before being pirates? )
Chopper vs Doc q (doctors)
Usopp vs Van Auger(sniper)
Jenbe vs Jesus burgess(techinique vs raw strenght)
Nami vs Catarina (Vanity vs Jealousy)

Doubt it.
I am very sure matchups were partially decided already when we first saw the BB crew.

BB vs Luffy was obvious.
Doc Q vs Chopper is obvious
Auger vs Usopp was obvious.
You had a wrestler/brawler in one a crew and a martial artist with Sanji.
It got clearer as we went on with Shiryuu.
It got clearer when Nami advanced her weather tricks to create dupes and illusions against Lafitte plus both being navigators. A fight of deceit. Plus, Nami's entire history of deceiving others.
You have someone with alcohol and a skeleton who should be a natural counter.
Franky vs Wolf is a more hypothetical but I suppose his wanted poster being the Sunny because its gonna be ship vs ship. I aint the only one expecting Sunny modifications plus Franky already had the mecha assembly gag but with people.
Sunny gonna turn full mecha with all those soldier docks and he pilots. Probably receive help from Egghead folk to do it once we leave.

 

[GUI VI]

Luffy vs BB
Zoro vs Shiryu
Koby and Smoker vs Kuzan(a team up seems fine)
Sanji vs Laffite
Jinbei vs Burgess
Franky vs Pizarro
Robin vs Devon
Brook vs Vasco shot
Usopp vs Augur
Chopper vs Doc Q

I'm not sure about Sanjuan Wolf and Nami.

 

[God of Finance]

I don't think Kuzan's fighting any of the Straw Hats unless the next member is top tier, and that's likely not happening.

Aokiji is not a top tier. His opponents does not need to be Top Tier.
And Sanji should be Top Tier anyway soon enough.

 

[IsaziSempi]

Doubt it.
I am very sure matchups were partially decided already when we first saw the BB crew.

BB vs Luffy was obvious.
Doc Q vs Chopper is obvious
Auger vs Usopp was obvious.
You had a wrestler/brawler in one a crew and a martial artist with Sanji.
It got clearer as we went on with Shiryuu.
It got clearer when Nami advanced her weather tricks to create dupes and illusions against Lafitte plus both being navigators. A fight of deceit. Plus, Nami's entire history of deceiving others.
You have someone with alcohol and a skeleton who should be a natural counter.
Franky vs Wolf is a more hypothetical but I suppose his wanted poster being the Sunny because its gonna be ship vs ship. I aint the only one expecting Sunny modifications plus Franky already the mecha assembly gag.
Sunny gonna turn full mecha with all those soldier docks.

I'll give you this Sanji is prone to fighting people he bumbs into and never met. Though he's never met any of blackbeards crew so..

Firstly imo none of the strawhats will have perfect counters to their opponents. This is the climax possibly setting up for the big war. It will be grueling fights. Jenbe is more of martial artist, while Sanji's style is based off of savate Jenbe's style is literally called fishman Karate. If your while argument is based off of Nami being a navigator then the helmsman of both crews would obviously fight. You raise a good point about the fight order possibly being set up before the impel down arc was properly thought out. Though it once again goes against your idea that the fights will be based on position for the original crew. Sanji wasn't the helmsman he's the cook.

Even if Sanji vs Jesus was likely theirs a huge speed gap. You can say it's speed vs strenght but Sanji also has alot more potent attack power. It'd be a stomp even with strawhat jobbing. Oda wrote himself into a position where someone with a 1.3 billion beli bounty couldn't even focus his eyes on his opponent. Yc2 don't even come off like a huge challenge to Sanji. Atleast with him fighting Pizarro he's fighting some that is also royalty and not just your typical pirate.

Most importantly nobody on the crew can fight avalro Pizarro except Sanji. Garp did a mountain plus attack on Pizarro and it did damage... just damage. It didn't knock him out and Pizarro was still going for the battle ships. Meaning you have to spam mountain sized attacks be able to fly force Avalro out of island mode and still have to deal with him afterwards. Pizaro's arm was big enough to palm a battle ship. Even Jenbe in water has only shown attacks the size of battle ships.

Jenbe can't do it. Brooke Franky Robin stand no chance. It's obvious Sanji has to do it unless you want the terrible Luffy beating a commander before fighting the boss move to happen when we finally get a fight for every stawhat. Sanji literally is called Mr prince. Mr prince vs corrupt king. Sanji's COO will alow him to fins Pizarro. Pizarro can't really be speed blitzed because he can see throughout an island.

Nami's never foughten a man. For a guy who has threatened to kill avalo pizzaro he's no slouch in hand to hand.

To me usopp vs van auger is obvious, shiryuu vs zoro, chopper vs doc q. Brooke and Vasco shot have no chemistry in antics personality fighting style etc.

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I don't think Kuzan's fighting any of the Straw Hats unless the next member is top tier, and that's likely not happening.

Yamato can only fight admiral plus opponents.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

1. Luffy vs Blackbeard for obvious reasons.

2. Zoro vs Shiryu for obvious reasons.

3. Sanji vs Pizarro (after he held Nami captive akin to Vulcan holding Venus hostage in The Adventures of Baron Munchausen, rescuing her). Pizarro seems to be a prominent member and highlighted as different from the other prisoners because of his clothes; Sanji would fight an improved Pica the way Zoro would fight an improved Absalom; seemed prone to argue with Shiryu in a similar way to other pairs of villains fighting the two Wings; gets salty over the bounty thing just like Sanji; comes from North Blue and seems to have cybernetic enhancements.

4. Jinbe vs Vasco Shot. Potential fishman and martial artist of the drunken fist, possibly an alcohol-based fishman karate. Highlighted as brutal even among his Impel Down peers. Jinbe was also confirmed as the Straw Hat who best handles alcohol, weirdly above Zoro so maybe it will play a role. Vasco has been shown using fire, while Jinbe uses water.

5. Franky vs Sanjuan Wolf. Common theory, Franky will turn Sunny into a mecha and will fight Blackbeard's "battleship" with it. A potential fight based on air blasts, with both General Franky and Thousand Sunny using them as their strongest attack, and with Wolf potentially capable of using his fruit as a balloon man and attacking with air blows as a reference to both Munchausen's Gustavus (quite an ironic one, it'd be) and the Big Bad Wolf (certainly, Sanjuan Wolf is big and is bad).

6. Nami vs Catarina Devon. Catarina Devon has a cat them yet she's a dog and enjoys beheading beautiful women; and Nami is the woman form the crew who is highlighted as the most beautiful (since even her bounty poster comes from modelling). Illusions, tricking, etc. could fill a role during this battle, too.

7. Usopp vs Van Augur. Hopefully Usopp's observation plays an importante role here, and even more hopefully, Usopp's tricks end up guiding Augur's wraps into his traps.

8. Robin vs Jesus Burgess. She isn't winning but ultimately Kuzan appears to froze him. Kuzan isn't really a villain and Burgess was the first to warn Teach about him as he couldn't trust the former admiral: Burgess will be proven right, but it will be too late.

9. Brook vs Laffitte. Fits aesthetically and in terms of styles, plus the whole singing/hypnotizing.

10. Chopper vs Doc Q for obvious reasons.

I think I didn't miss anyone.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Aokiji is not a top tier.

Admirals by default stomp on Yonkou Commanders.

His opponents does not need to be Top Tier.

If you're below top tier, you're losing to Aokiji.

And Sanji should be Top Tier anyway soon enough.

Unless Gaban (Roger's #3) shows signs at being top tier, I'm going to leave that prediction in doubt.

 

[God of Finance]

Admirals by default stomp on Yonkou Commanders.



If you're below top tier, you're losing to Aokiji.



Unless Gaban (Roger's #3) shows signs at being top tier, I'm going to leave that prediction in doubt.

Literally disagree with this entire post.

SOrry, no point in continuing when there is no middle ground.