Character Discussion Ashura King of Hell vs G5. Strength, damag and endurance vs Joy Boy Niki (with Luffy's vessel)
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Zoro is not using KoH or ACoC. Enma is not a power up and he is not struggling against Lucci.
Zoro pushed Lucci into awakening, was fighting him while distracted and when among the last left their battle Zoro was only using 2 swords.
Luffy didn't 2 shot Lucci. He hit Lucci with 3 name attacks and couldn't keep him down. After their battle, since Luffy had to leave, Lucci looks like he was barely in a fight.
Zoro pushed Lucci into awakening, was fighting him while distracted and when among the last left their battle Zoro was only using 2 swords.
Luffy didn't 2 shot Lucci. He hit Lucci with 3 name attacks and couldn't keep him down. After their battle, since Luffy had to leave, Lucci looks like he was barely in a fight.
No bandana, no name techniques, 90% of the fight with two swords, no koh (only ryoo). Shusui >Enma. Enma now has the same amount of ryoo as other swords.
I will say more. Lucci, on the next page after the fight, stands fresh with a small plaster on the face, says that goofy is too weak for yonko, and Luffy runs away on a cart in the form of a feeble old man. If the fight continued, it would become clear who would be the winner. This was the situation with doflomingo, Luffy dominated the 4th gear with a half-dead doflomingo, but eventually fell down, and shichibukai was ready to kill him, but he was taken away from the battlefield again. Goofy is a jerk running away from enemies.
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I will say more. Lucci, on the next page after the fight, stands fresh with a small plaster on the face, says that goofy is too weak for yonko, and Luffy runs away on a cart in the form of a feeble old man. If the fight continued, it would become clear who would be the winner. This was the situation with doflomingo, Luffy dominated the 4th gear with a half-dead doflomingo, but eventually fell down, and shichibukai was ready to kill him, but he was taken away from the battlefield again. Goofy is a jerk running away from enemies.
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KOH flames clearly shown
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There's smoke/flame but no black lightning, so that is not KoH.
No, this is not KoH either.
Those small black lines are CoA haki. Same was shown when Zoro first used enma.
This is KoH.
Notice how the black lightning is designed and flows around the swords.
Here Zoro is only using 2 swords.
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Ashura King of Hell vs G5. Strength, damag and endurance vs Joy Boy Niki (with Luffy's vessel)
Strength, Damag and Endurance vs Agility, Speed, will of observation and unpredictability.
Strength: While Bajrang Gun(strongest move of G5) clashed equally with Kaido for somewhile, Kaido had no chance against Asura (not even King of Hell mode yet). Zoro wins easily this one.
Damage: While Bajrang Gun gave Kaido a concussion and pushed him really hard against the ground, Asura gave Kaido a new scar. Zoro wins easily again.
Endurance: While G5 Luffy slept for a week after his last attack, Asura Zoro (not King of Hell yet) was still conscious leading the alliance on how to be helpful. Zoro wins.
Agility: While G5 manage to hit couple of hits on Kaido (we will see more ahead the real reason) majority of time he took way more hits and heavier ones. Kaido couldn't even touch Zoro while at Asura(not even King of Hell mode). Zoro wins.
Speed: Idk the difference between agility and speed on this case. Zoro wins again.
CoO: Maybe agility/speed helped Zoro but since Kaido couldn't touch Asura while he made G5 his punching bag I'm giving this one to Zoro as well.
Unpredictability: This is a clear win of Luffy. Kaido never knew what Luffy was doing, if he was going to hit Kaido or get hit by him. Meanwhile against Zoro there is no doubt in Kaido's mind he knew he would be fucked up bad by him.
Overall 6x1 Zoro.
Strength, Damag and Endurance vs Agility, Speed, will of observation and unpredictability.
Strength: While Bajrang Gun(strongest move of G5) clashed equally with Kaido for somewhile, Kaido had no chance against Asura (not even King of Hell mode yet). Zoro wins easily this one.
Damage: While Bajrang Gun gave Kaido a concussion and pushed him really hard against the ground, Asura gave Kaido a new scar. Zoro wins easily again.
Endurance: While G5 Luffy slept for a week after his last attack, Asura Zoro (not King of Hell yet) was still conscious leading the alliance on how to be helpful. Zoro wins.
Agility: While G5 manage to hit couple of hits on Kaido (we will see more ahead the real reason) majority of time he took way more hits and heavier ones. Kaido couldn't even touch Zoro while at Asura(not even King of Hell mode). Zoro wins.
Speed: Idk the difference between agility and speed on this case. Zoro wins again.
CoO: Maybe agility/speed helped Zoro but since Kaido couldn't touch Asura while he made G5 his punching bag I'm giving this one to Zoro as well.
Unpredictability: This is a clear win of Luffy. Kaido never knew what Luffy was doing, if he was going to hit Kaido or get hit by him. Meanwhile against Zoro there is no doubt in Kaido's mind he knew he would be fucked up bad by him.
Overall 6x1 Zoro.
But the lightning in the bird dance is acoc, and in the lucci frame it's just coa. Coa lightning has been on the blade of Zoro and other characters more than once
Both the bird dance and the lucci frame are not koh. In the first case there is no ryoo(flame) in the second there is no acoc lightning (only ruoo and a trace of coa haki)
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Both the bird dance and the lucci frame are not koh. In the first case there is no ryoo(flame) in the second there is no acoc lightning (only ruoo and a trace of coa haki)
I provided proof that's not ACoC.
Oda is consistent with the way he draws Zoro's ACoC black lightning and it has a very distinct look. Zoro's ACoC is drawn as large black lightning that wraps or flows around his swords. The lightning, if stretched out is at least the length of the sword.
ACoC/KoH:
Remember, KoH is flames/smoke combined with ACoC.
Does this look like the above?
No, it doesn't. It doesn't look anything like ACoC.
It does look almost identical to Zoro's CoA lightning we saw in chapter 955
Small lightning or tendril coming from the sword.
Oda is consistent with the way he draws Zoro's ACoC black lightning and it has a very distinct look. Zoro's ACoC is drawn as large black lightning that wraps or flows around his swords. The lightning, if stretched out is at least the length of the sword.
ACoC/KoH:
Remember, KoH is flames/smoke combined with ACoC.
Does this look like the above?
No, it doesn't. It doesn't look anything like ACoC.
It does look almost identical to Zoro's CoA lightning we saw in chapter 955
Small lightning or tendril coming from the sword.
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