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left's idea of race is beyond dumb
okay so they gotta protect blacks and to a lesser degree latins cause they have racism done to them or whatever
insert whatever past tredgy to justify any special status they are given in the mainstream status quo
why dont you liberals protect asians,native americans and jews????
i mean they all have historical treadgy and still experience racism unless your gonna deny lived expericeces of those groups which would make you a hypocrite??
dont even get why there's such this focus on how blacks had slavery done them and that was bad so we should feel sorry for them cause generation trauma or some shit
im irish and jew d boy is well a jew. is that user still even here? idk anyways point being our ancestors both were slaves does not kinda make the opresssed narrative kinda bs
im also native american so yea spainards conquered my family's native land and killed any number of my distant relatives long ago along with some of my ancestors
point with this being, having a game over who's family suffered more is kinda dumb cause nearly every group had some wrongdoing occuring to them at some point.
trying to divide people between on notions of opressor vs opressed is just dumb, most people who are white wouldt agree with the sins of their father and holding them accountable for that is not fair besides if you gonna use that logic then we should hate africans cause they were the ones who sold the slaves in the first place?
my great great grandfather burned jews dead bodies in the ovens should my entire family myself be treated badly cause of some wrongdoing my ancestor did
it's not a remotely fair and logical judgement but these leftists insist on suggesting white people bad opressors and then by proxy blacks are the rightous good people.
it's as dogmatic and idealogical as the difference between heathens and worshippers of whatever insert deity
plus here's a little question if somebody is mixed race ie black mom/white dad or vice versa then does that mean the person opresses themself afterall they are both black and white
if white = evil opressor
and black = righteous vitchim
does that make mixed race kid, a vitchim of himself??
plus if reperations were given does that include mixed race people if not then arent you just executing a racial purity test on who's black enough for you or who's not. it's unironically more racist then anything the liberals accuse the right wingers of doing
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the goal was always power
femmisism started as a group to give women more power
so as the generations went on and women got more & more power what once was trying to get voting rights now boils down to help me manspaining or manspreading
as quality of life became better and better, it just so happened that the issues had to become smaller scale then just being allowed to have a job mind you alot of women opposed this at the time and still to this day so im not even getting the point in this regard
still want men to provide for you but still want a job on the side for your own diposeble income or in alot of cases just screw working all together have the evil help man help ya
tbh would of just liked if women couldt work, they want men to provide them with shit anyway so not even seeing the difffernce besides in one case, she's choosing to be a parasite and in the other at least she's forced to be one
and yes women are parasites if you have a job of your own and you pitch in whatever money you make for bills then yea your not a parasite, im talking those women who want a guy to provide for them whilie not offering anything in return
besides sir, there was plenty of first wave femminists who were just fine with how things are going so stop trying to serperate the two groups like they so different
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, a first wave femminist is just fine with third wave femminism
there are some useful idiots who didt get the memo of it being a suprecist movement but they are by far a miniority and mind you were never figureheads to begin with
okay so they gotta protect blacks and to a lesser degree latins cause they have racism done to them or whatever
insert whatever past tredgy to justify any special status they are given in the mainstream status quo
why dont you liberals protect asians,native americans and jews????
i mean they all have historical treadgy and still experience racism unless your gonna deny lived expericeces of those groups which would make you a hypocrite??
dont even get why there's such this focus on how blacks had slavery done them and that was bad so we should feel sorry for them cause generation trauma or some shit
im irish and jew d boy is well a jew. is that user still even here? idk anyways point being our ancestors both were slaves does not kinda make the opresssed narrative kinda bs
im also native american so yea spainards conquered my family's native land and killed any number of my distant relatives long ago along with some of my ancestors
point with this being, having a game over who's family suffered more is kinda dumb cause nearly every group had some wrongdoing occuring to them at some point.
trying to divide people between on notions of opressor vs opressed is just dumb, most people who are white wouldt agree with the sins of their father and holding them accountable for that is not fair besides if you gonna use that logic then we should hate africans cause they were the ones who sold the slaves in the first place?
my great great grandfather burned jews dead bodies in the ovens should my entire family myself be treated badly cause of some wrongdoing my ancestor did
it's not a remotely fair and logical judgement but these leftists insist on suggesting white people bad opressors and then by proxy blacks are the rightous good people.
it's as dogmatic and idealogical as the difference between heathens and worshippers of whatever insert deity
plus here's a little question if somebody is mixed race ie black mom/white dad or vice versa then does that mean the person opresses themself afterall they are both black and white
if white = evil opressor
and black = righteous vitchim
does that make mixed race kid, a vitchim of himself??
plus if reperations were given does that include mixed race people if not then arent you just executing a racial purity test on who's black enough for you or who's not. it's unironically more racist then anything the liberals accuse the right wingers of doing
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the goal was always power
femmisism started as a group to give women more power
so as the generations went on and women got more & more power what once was trying to get voting rights now boils down to help me manspaining or manspreading
as quality of life became better and better, it just so happened that the issues had to become smaller scale then just being allowed to have a job mind you alot of women opposed this at the time and still to this day so im not even getting the point in this regard
still want men to provide for you but still want a job on the side for your own diposeble income or in alot of cases just screw working all together have the evil help man help ya
tbh would of just liked if women couldt work, they want men to provide them with shit anyway so not even seeing the difffernce besides in one case, she's choosing to be a parasite and in the other at least she's forced to be one
and yes women are parasites if you have a job of your own and you pitch in whatever money you make for bills then yea your not a parasite, im talking those women who want a guy to provide for them whilie not offering anything in return
besides sir, there was plenty of first wave femminists who were just fine with how things are going so stop trying to serperate the two groups like they so different
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, a first wave femminist is just fine with third wave femminism
there are some useful idiots who didt get the memo of it being a suprecist movement but they are by far a miniority and mind you were never figureheads to begin with
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As predicted, besides some random insults no one is replying to Bob and debunking is rethoric. eiether its because no one care about him talking without contradiction or people here don't have the tools to reply to him correctly.. Sad sad sad...
Yes, feminism is ideological. That's the point. Feminism is an ideological reply to a reality.
In front of a certain injust reality you have three answers possible:
- Deny this reality
- Ignore this reality
- Face this reality
ALL three responses are IDEOLOGICAL. Which means that my reply (fight oppression through feminism) is AS ideological as your reply (Deny oppression through masculinism)
But I feel like you won't understand that.
Spoiler: there is no contradiction.... in the scientific community. The presence of a system of systematic domination of men over women is something that makes the consensus.
Only uninformed people like you are contradicting the facts and the datas mate.
And no, this is not supremacy. That's not what supremacy is.
But again. I feel like you won't understand that either. Because you don't care about fact or data, you only care about what you think.
No, knocking down pigs is not a contradiction to equality. Never was.
Dude, its getting harder understanding you... I'm not Daniel Jackson. Rephrase that please
When men like you bash feminism all day long, of course you will get bash in return, what do you think ? You are legitimizing oppression mate.
? What are you even saying ?
Are you saying that creating groups with people who are oppressed the same as you are, is a bad thing ?
Nop. I just proved with multiple examples that science without politic can be bias, so either you are ignoring the history of science or you are ignoring my examples (which are factuals btw) . In both case you are showing ignorance about the subject.
That's not how the scientific practice works.
First you are again proving your ignorance about the subject. Universality only applies to hard sciences ( biology / Mathematic / physics / Chemistry etc.) and even then its not an absolute certainty. But it doesn't apply to soft science (archeology / Anthropology etc.) simply because when we talk about soft sciences, we are talking about scientific studies under a specific space and time context, so Universality is out of the question.
Second, science is not about feelings, but science without feeling is chaos, especially when we talk about soft sciences.
That's not why scientist test their hypothesis mate.
Are you talking about you, who is literally ignoring facts, factual datas and science to maintain your belief system ?
Indeed, you are acting like a child. Repeating false allegation won't make them true just because you keep repeating them. You better start to listen to those who have the knowledge : scientists.
Actually wrong. Fox is pushing FAR to the right wing, and Cnn is pushing to the progressive right.
You are already ignoring and laughing at science mate. You are already doing what you are denouncing.
There is no "left ideas of race". Races don't exists.
Why "to a lesser degree" ? Are you just speaking out of your a*s here ? You want to keep ignoring what the left is doing, fine. But not with me around. We don't treat people coming from latins country to a "lesser degree". What is up with the allegation anyway ? You are straight up lying bro. (or being ignorant again, your choice)
Me ? I'm not a liberal and indeed liberals don't protect those people.
But we do, so let's stop lying bobytroll
If you cared to informed yourself about what leftist people are doing for those community, you would understand just how ignorant you sound right now.
Yes it does. You are just listening a bit to much to far right propagandist, that's all.
No. Its just the description of real power process. If you want to keep legitimizing oppression by ignoring its existence you do you.. But you will be an ignora*nt on your own. Your choice.
Dividing people is actually all that your are doing right now.
And yet, systemic racism still exist. And you will deny it.. because you simply don't understand the problem and are completely uninformed about it. (and missinformed by the far right also)
No. But you could start by aknowledging the oppression that still exist today and stop propaging the idea that they don't exist. That would be a step forward.
But you won't do that. Because you are who you are and you don't want to evolve.
For that, you should be the first one to stand against oppression.. But no. Instead of that you are choosing to spit on the history of their oppression AND their resistance against those oppression (because they were not passive) by refusing the stand against the oppression of others.
Bringing up the fact that you have native american blood when you are doing everything you can to deny systemic racism and spit on people (sociologists and leftist) who are in fact trying to bring back into the narrative the memories and fights of your native american ancestors, is not really a smart choice Billy.
This is the proof that you don't understand at all what you are criticizing.
Nop, it was equality. In fact its still equality.
#EducateYourself
Nop, women don't want men to provide for them. That's an incel myth.
#EducateYourselfBetter
Ok, so you are being reported for that. I won't accept incel BS here
Are you calling "useful idiots" women who are demanding more equality right now ?
Yes, feminism is ideological. That's the point. Feminism is an ideological reply to a reality.
In front of a certain injust reality you have three answers possible:
- Deny this reality
- Ignore this reality
- Face this reality
ALL three responses are IDEOLOGICAL. Which means that my reply (fight oppression through feminism) is AS ideological as your reply (Deny oppression through masculinism)
But I feel like you won't understand that.
Spoiler: there is no contradiction.... in the scientific community. The presence of a system of systematic domination of men over women is something that makes the consensus.
Only uninformed people like you are contradicting the facts and the datas mate.
And no, this is not supremacy. That's not what supremacy is.
But again. I feel like you won't understand that either. Because you don't care about fact or data, you only care about what you think.
No, knocking down pigs is not a contradiction to equality. Never was.
Dude, its getting harder understanding you... I'm not Daniel Jackson. Rephrase that please
When men like you bash feminism all day long, of course you will get bash in return, what do you think ? You are legitimizing oppression mate.
? What are you even saying ?
Are you saying that creating groups with people who are oppressed the same as you are, is a bad thing ?
Nop. I just proved with multiple examples that science without politic can be bias, so either you are ignoring the history of science or you are ignoring my examples (which are factuals btw) . In both case you are showing ignorance about the subject.
That's not how the scientific practice works.
First you are again proving your ignorance about the subject. Universality only applies to hard sciences ( biology / Mathematic / physics / Chemistry etc.) and even then its not an absolute certainty. But it doesn't apply to soft science (archeology / Anthropology etc.) simply because when we talk about soft sciences, we are talking about scientific studies under a specific space and time context, so Universality is out of the question.
Second, science is not about feelings, but science without feeling is chaos, especially when we talk about soft sciences.
That's not why scientist test their hypothesis mate.
Are you talking about you, who is literally ignoring facts, factual datas and science to maintain your belief system ?
Indeed, you are acting like a child. Repeating false allegation won't make them true just because you keep repeating them. You better start to listen to those who have the knowledge : scientists.
Actually wrong. Fox is pushing FAR to the right wing, and Cnn is pushing to the progressive right.
You are already ignoring and laughing at science mate. You are already doing what you are denouncing.
There is no "left ideas of race". Races don't exists.
Why "to a lesser degree" ? Are you just speaking out of your a*s here ? You want to keep ignoring what the left is doing, fine. But not with me around. We don't treat people coming from latins country to a "lesser degree". What is up with the allegation anyway ? You are straight up lying bro. (or being ignorant again, your choice)
Me ? I'm not a liberal and indeed liberals don't protect those people.
But we do, so let's stop lying bobytroll
If you cared to informed yourself about what leftist people are doing for those community, you would understand just how ignorant you sound right now.
Yes it does. You are just listening a bit to much to far right propagandist, that's all.
No. Its just the description of real power process. If you want to keep legitimizing oppression by ignoring its existence you do you.. But you will be an ignora*nt on your own. Your choice.
Dividing people is actually all that your are doing right now.
And yet, systemic racism still exist. And you will deny it.. because you simply don't understand the problem and are completely uninformed about it. (and missinformed by the far right also)
No. But you could start by aknowledging the oppression that still exist today and stop propaging the idea that they don't exist. That would be a step forward.
But you won't do that. Because you are who you are and you don't want to evolve.
For that, you should be the first one to stand against oppression.. But no. Instead of that you are choosing to spit on the history of their oppression AND their resistance against those oppression (because they were not passive) by refusing the stand against the oppression of others.
Bringing up the fact that you have native american blood when you are doing everything you can to deny systemic racism and spit on people (sociologists and leftist) who are in fact trying to bring back into the narrative the memories and fights of your native american ancestors, is not really a smart choice Billy.
This is the proof that you don't understand at all what you are criticizing.
Nop, it was equality. In fact its still equality.
#EducateYourself
Nop, women don't want men to provide for them. That's an incel myth.
#EducateYourselfBetter
Ok, so you are being reported for that. I won't accept incel BS here
Are you calling "useful idiots" women who are demanding more equality right now ?
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It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky
Imagine all the people
Livin' for today
Ah
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
