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Logiko: "Hamas is not against jew"
Hamas:"The Jews are the most despicable and contemptible nation to crawl upon the face of the Earth, because they have displayed hostility to Allah."
"Allah will kill the Jews in the hell of the world to come, just like they killed the believers in the hell of this world."
"This is Islam, that was ahead of its time with regards to human rights in the treatment of prisoners, but our nation was tested by the cancerous lump, that is the Jews, in the heart of the Arab nation... Be certain that America is on its way to utter destruction, America is wallowing [in blood] today in Iraq and Afghanistan, America is defeated and Israel is defeated, and was defeated in Lebanon and Palestine... Make us victorious over the community of infidels... Allah, take the Jews and their allies, Allah, take the Americans and their allies... Allah, annihilate them completely and do not leave anyone of them."
"By God, we will not leave one Jew in Palestine. We will fight them with all the strength we have. This is our land, not the Jews..."
"The Jews: killed the prophets…slaughtered the innocent…imprisoned our pious... NO PEACE WITH THE MURDERERS."
"The Nazi Jews tried different methods..."
"Let everyone know that Hamas... is only against Jews and those twisted in their manner... it realizes the Jews' methods in trying to cause hostility and friction between people..."
"We should lend punches to the Jews wherever possible [to commemorate Muhammad's defeat of one of the Jewish tribes of Arabia]."
To be fair sometimes they thrown those lies. But if they really meant then they would be adressing them as Israelis not Jews.
"Hamas is not hostile to Jews because they are Jews. We are hostile to them because they occupied our land and expelled our people.... We did not say we want to throw the Jews in the sea or feed them to sharks. We just said that there is a land called occupied Palestine. It was burglarized and it needs to be returned to the Palestinian people."
Hamas in Their Own Words | ADL
When soldiers, police or whatever force of State commits crimes they are judged, sentenced and condened by it. Hamas does not does that. So don't try to act like Hamas isn't in favor of those crimes made at October 7th.
Hamas hideout is below hospitals.
What crimes of Israel? To prosper and make a peaceful and strong country where even Muslims can live in peace?
And then you talk like Hamas politcs of killing gay people, submitting woman as they were below man(barely human beings) and war crimes are nothing.
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Dude this has to do with people not the governament or anything.
Hamas:"The Jews are the most despicable and contemptible nation to crawl upon the face of the Earth, because they have displayed hostility to Allah."
"Allah will kill the Jews in the hell of the world to come, just like they killed the believers in the hell of this world."
"This is Islam, that was ahead of its time with regards to human rights in the treatment of prisoners, but our nation was tested by the cancerous lump, that is the Jews, in the heart of the Arab nation... Be certain that America is on its way to utter destruction, America is wallowing [in blood] today in Iraq and Afghanistan, America is defeated and Israel is defeated, and was defeated in Lebanon and Palestine... Make us victorious over the community of infidels... Allah, take the Jews and their allies, Allah, take the Americans and their allies... Allah, annihilate them completely and do not leave anyone of them."
"By God, we will not leave one Jew in Palestine. We will fight them with all the strength we have. This is our land, not the Jews..."
"The Jews: killed the prophets…slaughtered the innocent…imprisoned our pious... NO PEACE WITH THE MURDERERS."
"The Nazi Jews tried different methods..."
"Let everyone know that Hamas... is only against Jews and those twisted in their manner... it realizes the Jews' methods in trying to cause hostility and friction between people..."
"We should lend punches to the Jews wherever possible [to commemorate Muhammad's defeat of one of the Jewish tribes of Arabia]."
To be fair sometimes they thrown those lies. But if they really meant then they would be adressing them as Israelis not Jews.
"Hamas is not hostile to Jews because they are Jews. We are hostile to them because they occupied our land and expelled our people.... We did not say we want to throw the Jews in the sea or feed them to sharks. We just said that there is a land called occupied Palestine. It was burglarized and it needs to be returned to the Palestinian people."
Hamas in Their Own Words | ADL
When soldiers, police or whatever force of State commits crimes they are judged, sentenced and condened by it. Hamas does not does that. So don't try to act like Hamas isn't in favor of those crimes made at October 7th.
Hamas hideout is below hospitals.
What crimes of Israel? To prosper and make a peaceful and strong country where even Muslims can live in peace?
And then you talk like Hamas politcs of killing gay people, submitting woman as they were below man(barely human beings) and war crimes are nothing.
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Dude this has to do with people not the governament or anything.
Feel free to share the info of the new charter that disagrees with this.
And its not just the charter itself, its literally quoting islamic scources lul.
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Yeah its not like hamas peeps really hide this shit.
One just needs to ask themselves. Would hamas do resistance against the ottoman empire if it would still exist?
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Didnt one of their spokesperson say they will do it again and again anyway?
And its not just the charter itself, its literally quoting islamic scources lul.
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Yeah its not like hamas peeps really hide this shit.
One just needs to ask themselves. Would hamas do resistance against the ottoman empire if it would still exist?
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Didnt one of their spokesperson say they will do it again and again anyway?
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Agains, hamas its not its leaders, its the combattant + the representatives. What you gave me are some - granted antisemistic - words of SOME of the representatives.
This is not enough to say that Hamas is against jew. What you need to affirm that is an research collecting the vision of a majority of constituants of the Hamas movements (combattant + representatives), then you will be able to say if they are all antisemitic, because that's what you are doing fallaciously right now.
You are just regurgitating the propaganda of Israel and invisibilizing people who take the path of resistance just because they have no choice but to do so.
Then I'm waiting for the judgement of the state of Israel for genocide.
I'm waiting for the judgement of the state of ISrael for colonization and ethnical cleansing
I'm waiting for the judgement of the Israel gov and ISrael soldiers for multiple war crimes..
Let's wait for them to compare in front of justice just like the soldiers (ISraelian and hamas) who participated in the war crime of october 7th should
Do you want me to say that all Israelian soldiers and jews are supporting genocide right now ? Because that's the rethoric you are using to generalize all combattant of hamas.
Oh, a genocide apologizer.. who peculiar.
I won't discuss this with you. If you refuse to see the current massacre happening because of Israel's action then you are lost in humanity.
I do not have the link toward this document i'm sorry.
This is not enough to say that Hamas is against jew. What you need to affirm that is an research collecting the vision of a majority of constituants of the Hamas movements (combattant + representatives), then you will be able to say if they are all antisemitic, because that's what you are doing fallaciously right now.
You are just regurgitating the propaganda of Israel and invisibilizing people who take the path of resistance just because they have no choice but to do so.
Then I'm waiting for the judgement of the state of Israel for genocide.
I'm waiting for the judgement of the state of ISrael for colonization and ethnical cleansing
I'm waiting for the judgement of the Israel gov and ISrael soldiers for multiple war crimes..
Let's wait for them to compare in front of justice just like the soldiers (ISraelian and hamas) who participated in the war crime of october 7th should
Do you want me to say that all Israelian soldiers and jews are supporting genocide right now ? Because that's the rethoric you are using to generalize all combattant of hamas.
Oh, a genocide apologizer.. who peculiar.
I won't discuss this with you. If you refuse to see the current massacre happening because of Israel's action then you are lost in humanity.
I do not have the link toward this document i'm sorry.
Would they fight for their leaders if they disgreed majorly?
And no, saying hamas is anti-jew doesnt mean i have to make that statement about every person in hamas.
For me to regurgitate propaganda of israel i qould first need to have listened to any of it. Which isnt the case.
So you are talking out of your ass and jumping to conclusions. Not unusual
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Well but i have the founding document, shared statements of an insider to hamas, herrerra pulled plenty public statements and your best shot is "but that doesnt mean every single person is antisemitic" while not providing anything at all.
Get fucking real kid.
But at least i think you are just ignorant instead of dishonest
And no, saying hamas is anti-jew doesnt mean i have to make that statement about every person in hamas.
For me to regurgitate propaganda of israel i qould first need to have listened to any of it. Which isnt the case.
So you are talking out of your ass and jumping to conclusions. Not unusual
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Well but i have the founding document, shared statements of an insider to hamas, herrerra pulled plenty public statements and your best shot is "but that doesnt mean every single person is antisemitic" while not providing anything at all.
Get fucking real kid.
But at least i think you are just ignorant instead of dishonest
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What you are saying is "There is this one people that is from Hamas that did nothing wrong despite all others killing jews civilians which we just need to ignore"
Israel is making no genocide. He is dealing with his enemies that are constantly attacking the civilians that Israel is meant to protect. Both Jews, Muslims, Christians, Atheists...
Muslims community doubled in size at Israel wtf are you talking about colonization and ethnical cleansing? Maybe you could address that to England but not Israel.
What war crimes? Defend themselves? This is all that Israel has being doing since it's existance.
Your argument makes no logic. You are the one trying to say Hamas is not against jews even after I showed you their REPRESENTANTS are saying it without problem. You want to do the opposite saying that a soldier is against the organization that it represents which is completely fine.
All the world sees is Israel striking back after getting their civillians cowardly attacked by a terrorist group.
Israel is making no genocide. He is dealing with his enemies that are constantly attacking the civilians that Israel is meant to protect. Both Jews, Muslims, Christians, Atheists...
Muslims community doubled in size at Israel wtf are you talking about colonization and ethnical cleansing? Maybe you could address that to England but not Israel.
What war crimes? Defend themselves? This is all that Israel has being doing since it's existance.
Your argument makes no logic. You are the one trying to say Hamas is not against jews even after I showed you their REPRESENTANTS are saying it without problem. You want to do the opposite saying that a soldier is against the organization that it represents which is completely fine.
All the world sees is Israel striking back after getting their civillians cowardly attacked by a terrorist group.
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Actually another time he got mad at me calling him woke like it was an insult (to me it is) just to end up embracing it saying he actually loves when people call him woke.
He is a lost case. He things he knows better than anyone else and that the whole world is wrong. He doesn't have a clue of what science configurates, on what ethics configurates or history.
He is a lost case. He things he knows better than anyone else and that the whole world is wrong. He doesn't have a clue of what science configurates, on what ethics configurates or history.
Do you really think that combattant of the Hamas are fighting for their leaders right now ??
That literally what you are doing Hamas is literally the people + the representatives
That's what you don't understand. You don't need to listen to the source to regurgitate the ISraelian gov propaganda, you just need to listen to liberal medias in the west.
That's is not relevant anymore and probably - according to historians - never was.
You can look for yourself for the document, I'm not your personal encyclopedia. All the more when I know that most of the time when I give a source, you guys are prompt to ignore it.
The document you are talking about and the words deliver by Herrerra are absolutely not relevant to consider the state of the vision of Hamas partisans about jew.
And be a little bit less intellectually lazy. Bring updated documents and clear research to the table when you want to generalize an entire movement made mostly by people who are joining because they are oppressed and colonized.
No, what I'm saying is that there are SOME representative who said antisemitic stuff and SOME combattant who created a war crime on october 7th and it is ABSOLUTELY dishonest to generalize those actions to the thousands of people who join hamas because they simply want to fight against the oppression and colonization of Israel.
The israel gov* is doing a genocide. Israelian people are not all responsible for this massacre.
Yup, by making a genocide and multiple war crimes
A change of demography is not the proof of the absence of ethnical cleansing dear genocide apologizer. It's only a change in demography.
Colonization by Israel on Palestinian soil is a FACT. And what is happening right now (bombing massively population in order for them to go away) is known as ethnical cleansing process. This is a crime against humanity and also called a genocide (without taking into account the thousands of death because of said bombings)
You better stop trying to defend crime against humanity mate or we won't be friend and you will be met with massive reports.
Precisely yes. War crimes. Since the birth of the country.
And you don't know how to read on top of that
You call a massive strike against overpowering power (because they didn't just attack civilians but also tech and army ressources) a "coward attack" ? Well.. strange words.
It was indeed horrible tho.
And Hamas is not a "terrorist group", its a movement of resistance. Foundamentalist and which has done a wrime crime - granted - but still a movement of resistance.
The existence of Hamas is perfectly legitimated by the fact that Israel is attacking/oppressing and colonizing a foreign nation. It would be - of course - better if Hamas gave its place to a more progresssive and less foundamentalist movement but its not the question here.
Remember that french who fight in the resistance were also branded as "terrorist" during the WWII by Nazi occupants.
That's what resistance is to fascist : terrorism.
Doubt is tool to create objective datas. There are a large number of courants in the resistance against the action of Israel gov. Some progressive, some less progressive.
When your only options are to fight the oppression or die, choosing the colors of the ones you will fight with is a luxury.
So we can't say what all the combattant are thinking. The only think we can affirm objectively is that they are all fighting the gov of Israel.
I'm never "mad" mate. I just denied - at first - the term woke as it is a far right term.
But I considered that the best move was to create a reversal of the stigma.
Something you can't really understand.
I know better than you for sure
You are not really well placed to talk about science here since you constantly denies it.
That literally what you are doing Hamas is literally the people + the representatives
That's what you don't understand. You don't need to listen to the source to regurgitate the ISraelian gov propaganda, you just need to listen to liberal medias in the west.
That's is not relevant anymore and probably - according to historians - never was.
You can look for yourself for the document, I'm not your personal encyclopedia. All the more when I know that most of the time when I give a source, you guys are prompt to ignore it.
The document you are talking about and the words deliver by Herrerra are absolutely not relevant to consider the state of the vision of Hamas partisans about jew.
And be a little bit less intellectually lazy. Bring updated documents and clear research to the table when you want to generalize an entire movement made mostly by people who are joining because they are oppressed and colonized.
No, what I'm saying is that there are SOME representative who said antisemitic stuff and SOME combattant who created a war crime on october 7th and it is ABSOLUTELY dishonest to generalize those actions to the thousands of people who join hamas because they simply want to fight against the oppression and colonization of Israel.
The israel gov* is doing a genocide. Israelian people are not all responsible for this massacre.
Yup, by making a genocide and multiple war crimes
A change of demography is not the proof of the absence of ethnical cleansing dear genocide apologizer. It's only a change in demography.
Colonization by Israel on Palestinian soil is a FACT. And what is happening right now (bombing massively population in order for them to go away) is known as ethnical cleansing process. This is a crime against humanity and also called a genocide (without taking into account the thousands of death because of said bombings)
You better stop trying to defend crime against humanity mate or we won't be friend and you will be met with massive reports.
Precisely yes. War crimes. Since the birth of the country.
And you don't know how to read on top of that
You call a massive strike against overpowering power (because they didn't just attack civilians but also tech and army ressources) a "coward attack" ? Well.. strange words.
It was indeed horrible tho.
And Hamas is not a "terrorist group", its a movement of resistance. Foundamentalist and which has done a wrime crime - granted - but still a movement of resistance.
The existence of Hamas is perfectly legitimated by the fact that Israel is attacking/oppressing and colonizing a foreign nation. It would be - of course - better if Hamas gave its place to a more progresssive and less foundamentalist movement but its not the question here.
Remember that french who fight in the resistance were also branded as "terrorist" during the WWII by Nazi occupants.
That's what resistance is to fascist : terrorism.
Doubt is tool to create objective datas. There are a large number of courants in the resistance against the action of Israel gov. Some progressive, some less progressive.
When your only options are to fight the oppression or die, choosing the colors of the ones you will fight with is a luxury.
So we can't say what all the combattant are thinking. The only think we can affirm objectively is that they are all fighting the gov of Israel.
I'm never "mad" mate. I just denied - at first - the term woke as it is a far right term.
But I considered that the best move was to create a reversal of the stigma.
Something you can't really understand.
I know better than you for sure
You are not really well placed to talk about science here since you constantly denies it.
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If you are part of a party and your leader says things like that and you remain at party then you consent to it. Is pretty simple. Is not like Hamas is a country and they can't leave it. Is not like your country president that you didn't voted for it is talking some bullshit you disagree with.
There is no genocide.
You don't even know what you are saying.
Hamas is a terrorist group. No matter what they call themselves what they do and preach is terrorism. Making their hideout under hospitals is terrorism. Raping and killing babes and civillians like they do is terrorism.
I understood pretty well. You tried to accept woke as if I would stop calling you that. You just made my point at time that you were woke which you denied so much.
Nope.
Not accepting biased theories as science is not denying science.
There is no genocide.
You don't even know what you are saying.
Hamas is a terrorist group. No matter what they call themselves what they do and preach is terrorism. Making their hideout under hospitals is terrorism. Raping and killing babes and civillians like they do is terrorism.
I understood pretty well. You tried to accept woke as if I would stop calling you that. You just made my point at time that you were woke which you denied so much.
I know better than you for sure
Not accepting biased theories as science is not denying science.
This would be true if the hamas was a simple political movement.
Its not the case
Hamas is the ONLY armed resistance movement of Gaza. Therefore there is no "choice" for people who want to fight. Your rethoric is therefore completely fallacious.
And a second report it is for you dear genocide defenser.
Sure.
Nop
Still nop.
Still nop x2. Its resistance, risky - granted - but still resistance. But you wouldn't understand since you are on the side of the cryptofascists who commit genocide.
Nop, its war crimes.
Oh but you can call me woke. The only difference is that I'm not taking it as a far right insult, but as a testimony of my knowledge of oppression. So when you call me "woke" now, its the same as if you were saying "you understand the oppressions of the world and all I can do is be mad about it"
Go ahead, call me "woke" dear far rightist
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the ignorance....
I don't recall showing you theories but research papers... maybe you don't understand what Science is at all.
Its not the case
Hamas is the ONLY armed resistance movement of Gaza. Therefore there is no "choice" for people who want to fight. Your rethoric is therefore completely fallacious.
And a second report it is for you dear genocide defenser.
Sure.
Nop
Still nop.
Still nop x2. Its resistance, risky - granted - but still resistance. But you wouldn't understand since you are on the side of the cryptofascists who commit genocide.
Nop, its war crimes.
Oh but you can call me woke. The only difference is that I'm not taking it as a far right insult, but as a testimony of my knowledge of oppression. So when you call me "woke" now, its the same as if you were saying "you understand the oppressions of the world and all I can do is be mad about it"
Go ahead, call me "woke" dear far rightist
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the ignorance....I don't recall showing you theories but research papers... maybe you don't understand what Science is at all.
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All the ones who are not consent with Hamas hating of jews and disgusting crimes as civilians murdering, raping etc can get together and make another one. And by the way there are others but they probably are all the same or even worse.
You call human shield as resistance. Ok...
War crimes is not terrorism then?
I call you woke because you are leftist just that. There is no deep meaning on this. Not everything in line is deep. You are not that important.
Research papers are not ultimate truth. Science is not just research papers. You clearly doesn't understand what science means.
Research papers are evidence. With that you can build something. And with many evidences you can make meta-analisys. With plenty meta-analisys you start to have some real science if they all point to the same place.
You call human shield as resistance. Ok...
War crimes is not terrorism then?
I call you woke because you are leftist just that. There is no deep meaning on this. Not everything in line is deep. You are not that important.
Research papers are not ultimate truth. Science is not just research papers. You clearly doesn't understand what science means.
Research papers are evidence. With that you can build something. And with many evidences you can make meta-analisys. With plenty meta-analisys you start to have some real science if they all point to the same place.
NO. If you want us to stop talking about this, then delete this thread. This topic as all its place here.
Talking about those crimes against humanity is a necessity to keep the awareness. Allthemore when they are not happening in one single place but in multiple place and multiple nations and when they are denied by the conservatives
There are absolutely NO reasons to prevent us from talking about that subject
Don't try to abuse your powers here.
Talking about those crimes against humanity is a necessity to keep the awareness. Allthemore when they are not happening in one single place but in multiple place and multiple nations and when they are denied by the conservatives
There are absolutely NO reasons to prevent us from talking about that subject
Don't try to abuse your powers here.