Anime & Manga One Piece Spoilers - The Waiting Room

[ConquistadoR]

And Kuzan showed us that an ice punch + armament can match a CoC punch from Old Garp

Yea, an old Garp like you said, who in his own words admitted multiple times that he has weakened.
A young Garp, with skysplitting CoC, is on a different level.

Again, ACOC isn't something special hax or narrative speciality indicator like Gojo's limitless lol

CoC is and always was a narrative indication of superiority. It is a 1 in a million ability and at the top level, it is found among the very strongest.

When Luffy showed CoC in Marineford, Oda showed every Admiral, Garp, Sengoku, Mihawk and Whitebeard react to it. Marines said that he will become a powerful enemy of the Marines right after that.
What did Doflamingo say when he compared Luffy & Law? "Luffy is a CoC user, his potential power is even greater than Law"

It's really simple. At the highest level, CoC users stand above the rest.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Isn't Lucci literally blocking advCOC coated swords with his fingers?

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Yea, an old Garp like you said, who in his own words admitted multiple times that he has weakened.
A young Garp, with skysplitting CoC, is on a different level.


CoC is and always was a narrative indication of superiority. It is a 1 in a million ability and at the top level, it is found among the very strongest.

When Luffy showed CoC in Marineford, Oda showed every Admiral, Garp, Sengoku, Mihawk and Whitebeard react to it. Marines said that he will become a powerful enemy of the Marines right after that.
What did Doflamingo say when he compared Luffy & Law? "Luffy is a CoC user, his potential power is even greater than Law"

It's really simple. At the highest level, CoC users stand above the rest.

Get ready for Imu and the Gorosei to not have it too btw

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Isn't Lucci literally blocking advCOC coated swords with his fingers?

Yes.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Get ready for Imu and the Gorosei to not have it too btw

Imu will 100% have it, he is one of the Original 20 Kings after all.

Gorosei, meh. They are like Enel's Priests or Doflamingo's Seats, so i don't think they will have it.

 

[GUI VI]

- CoC has been already stated as the strongest power.
- The Strongest OP characters are all CoC users

Doubting about CoC is copium.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Imu will 100% have it, he is one of the Original 20 Kings after all.

Gorosei, meh. They are like Enel's Priests or Doflamingo's Seats, so i don't think they will have it.

The seraphim probably won’t have ANY haki and will be stronger than everyone in the setting.

If your AP/DC is high enough none of this stuff matters. It’s the same way in every series.

Like if you drop Goku in the OP verse and don’t give him haki guess how much it matters? It doesn’t.

The same is true with the ancient weapons and the adult seraphims.

Also Imu having COC is not guaranteed at all.

If he’s an Umi-bozu with god like powers and can control the sea, haki is just an afterthought at that point.

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- CoC has been already stated as the strongest power.
- The Strongest OP characters are all CoC users

Doubting about CoC is copium.

Nope CoC was stated to be something only a handful of the strongest can use.

The strongest powers are the ancient weapons.

 

[GUI VI]

Get ready for Imu and the Gorosei to not have it too btw

Imu and Gorosei are 100% Haki users.

 

[MonsterZoro]

Is there a recession soon

 

[GUI VI]

Is there a recession soon

Bruh no one cares.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Imu and Gorosei are 100% Haki users.

Haki users for sure, ACOC? None of the Gorosei seem guranteed to have it and depending on what exactly Imu is it might be unnessecary.

This post does a pretty good job I think
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/193bm8w

Haki in general is overrated.

 

[ConquistadoR]

The seraphim probably won’t have ANY haki and will be stronger than everyone in the setting.

If they are the "strongest", do you believe they won't be defeated at all? Lol.

Like if you drop Goku in the OP verse and don’t give him haki guess how much it matters? It doesn’t.

Lmfaoooo so because you compared Goku to OPVerse, I'm supposed to give Akainu a pass for not having CoC????

The same is true with the ancient weapons and the adult seraphims.

Who said anything about Ancient Weapons? They are exactly that, a WMD.
How's that gonna excuse Akainu?

Also Imu having COC is not guaranteed at all.

If he’s an Umi-bozu with god like powers and can control the sea, haki is just an afterthought at that point.

It's 100% guaranteed, he's the hidden Ruler of World and the final boss for Luffy to defeat.

 

[MonsterZoro]

Bruh no one cares.

Fuck off bitch

 

[GUI VI]

Haki in general is overrated.

No, it's not.

Haki is what distinguishes fodders from the Top Tiers.

Even Latrines have this distinction.

The saddest truth is that the DFs that were overestimated in Pre-TS and not now are no longer so important.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

If they are the "strongest", do you believe they won't be defeated at all? Lol.

They'll be defeated by either taking out the Gorosei to disrupt the command hierarchy or by large groups of characters like raid bosses.

Lmfaoooo so because you compared Goku to OPVerse, I'm supposed to give Akainu a pass for not having CoC????

The Goku point is to convey with an obvious hypothetical that if someone's AP/DC is high enough it doesn't matter. Not sure why you need me to explain that.

Who said anything about Ancient Weapons? They are exactly that, a WMD.
How's that gonna excuse Akainu?

Because again, like with Goku, they're an example of high AP/DC without ACOC.

And Enel can literally replicate their destruction.

If Sakazuki can make a fucking small continent krakatoa eruption you bet your ass that's going to make up for not having ACOC.

It's 100% guaranteed, he's the hidden Ruler of World and the final boss for Luffy to defeat.

Yes and?

ACOC is too weak of an ability for it to be his primary combat ability.

 

[GUI VI]

Fuck off bitch

Cope clown.

 

[ConquistadoR]

The Goku point is to convey with an obvious hypothetical that if someone's AP/DC is high enough it doesn't matter. Not sure why you need me to explain that.

Because again, like with Goku, they're an example of high AP/DC without ACOC.

Because i'm not getting into the specifics of "AP & DC" here.

I'm talking about the narrative that Oda is writing where he is repeatedly establishing that CoC users are a cut above the rest.
None of those "AP/DC" arguments excuse Akainu here. He's another character in Oda's world, where Oda is establishing CoC users as the strongest.

And Enel can literally replicate they're distruction.

I agree that Enel wasn't your average Logia user and the "New World Haki users one-shot Enel" takes are ridiculous nonsense.
Then again, Oda did say that Enel wasn't "Invincible" and there are even stronger fighters in the New World.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I wish Oda used the admirals earlier in the post time skip honestly.

The way they're in the focus now kind of reminds of Togashi using Hisoka and Chrollo but only after we saw already saw Meruem/the chimera ants in action.

Like Hisoka and Chrollo were strong but we were aware of stronger entities existing in the verse (like Imu in OP for ex) that it made them nowhere near as hype as they could be.

Admirals are kind of in a similar situation imo where they're still strong but the ceiling in the setting has moved past them a bit.

Feel like Oda blundered saving them for so long.



Nah Akainu is literally the marine that needs COC the least, his AP is already high AF

CoC isn't ACoC lol

 

[GUI VI]

Luffy vs Kizaru comproved Haki>DF

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

I agree that Enel wasn't your average Logia user and the "New World Haki users one-shot Enel" takes are ridiculous nonsense.
Then again, Oda did say that Enel wasn't "Invincible" and there are even stronger fighters in the New World.

My point is that you're overrating ad COC in the same way that people overrate new world haki users without realizing you're doing it.

Because i'm not getting into the specifics of "AP & DC" here.

I'm talking about the narrative that Oda is writing where he is repeatedly establishing that CoC users as a cut above the rest.
None of those "AP/DC" arguments excuse Akainu here. He's another character in Oda's world, where Oda is establishing CoC users as the strongest.

Except that Oda hasn't done that, he's just said that ACOC is an ability that some of the very strongest can use straight up implying that there are people among the very strongest that don't have it.

And what's more the existence of the Gorosei/Seraphim/ancient weapons makes this extremely obvious even if you dont think the admirals are top tiers.

And Imu most likely has demonic abilities that put him above everyone, not haki lol

 

[Sir Yasheen]

- CoC has been already stated as the strongest power.
- The Strongest OP characters are all CoC users

Doubting about CoC is copium.

Not all of them.
None of the admirals nor Blackbeard are CoC users.

CoC is definitely an ability for top tiers; but it doesn’t separate you from all non CoC users.