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[EmperorKinyagi]

Not all of them.
None of the admirals nor Blackbeard are CoC users.

CoC is definitely an ability for top tiers; but it doesn’t separate you from all non CoC users.

Exactly.

And even if you dont rate Blackbeard or the admirals it's obvious there are characters in verse who will match up to or surpass CoC without it.

Oda didn't have Vegapunk say "yeah the Seraphim will be the strongest beings of all one days because of their haki" lol

 

[ConquistadoR]

My point is that you're overrating ad COC in the same way that people overrate new world haki users without realizing you're doing it.

I know for a fact that I'm not.

Haki is a common thing in the New World.
CoC is a 1 in a million ability.

And only a handful among CoC users... can use CoC in combat.

 

[Kerkovian]

Luffy went gear 5 and knocked all the marines with a COC burst. Saturn shat his pants.
@Tensub @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @Mr. Reloaded @Pringles @Bisoromi Bear

 

[Pringles]

Luffy went gear 5 and knocked all the marines with a COC burst. Saturn shat his pants.
@Tensub @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @Mr. Reloaded @Pringles @Bisoromi Bear

Gear Fived their fave

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

I know for a fact that I'm not.

Haki is a common thing in the New World.
CoC is a 1 in a million ability.

And only a handful among CoC users... can use CoC in combat.

And you know what's more rare than adv. COC?

Gorosei, ancient weapons, seraphim, etc

This rareness argument doesn't hold any weight since top tier level characters are already rare to begin with

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Luffy went gear 5 and knocked all the marines with a COC burst. Saturn shat his pants.
@Tensub @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @Mr. Reloaded @Pringles @Bisoromi Bear

 

[GUI VI]

None of the admirals nor Blackbeard are CoC users.

That's why Admirals and Current Teach are garbage, all of them gets one-shooted by Roger, WB, Prime Ray, Prime Garp, Kaido, Oden and maybe even Pig Mom.

But i confess that i misspoken, ACoC is what separate Top Tiers to the Peak Top Tiers.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

That's why Admirals and Current Teach are garbage, all of them gets one-shooted by Roger, WB, Prime Ray, Prime Garp, Kaido, Oden and maybe even Pig Mom.

But i confess that i misspoken, ACoC is what separate Top Tiers to the Peak Top Tiers.

Even prime Blackbeard won’t have CoC. And Yamato def isn’t a top tier imo

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Even prime Blackbeard won’t have CoC. And Yamato def isn’t a top tier imo

Current Zoro is also not a top tier.

Neither is Koby

 

[ConquistadoR]

And you know what's more rare than adv. COC?

Gorosei, ancient weapons, seraphim, etc

This rareness argument doesn't hold any weight since top tier level characters are already rare to begin with

I dont even expect Gorosei to have CoC or even be superior to top CoC users tbh.
Ancient Weapons is a dead argument, it is like saying a gun in a debate about who the strongest people are.
And i fully believe the statement from Vegapunk about the Seraphim becoming the strongest in the seas, is a claim written to be debunked in the manga itself when they are defeated.

 

[Hako Sama]

Haki in general is overrated.

Haki reigns everything.
It doesn't matter how fast you are, CoO can prevent anything, like when Shanks saw the future really ahead of him against Kid.
No matter how destructive the DF power is, AdvCoA and AdvCoC will be able to withstand it, like Luffy against the Magma Dragon or Shanks against Akainu.
The AdvCoC forms are still a bit foggy, but an Admiral being paralyzed by it explains itself.

Just accept the facts, bro.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Haki reigns everything.
It doesn't matter how fast you are, CoO can prevent anything, like when Shanks saw the future really ahead of him against Kid.
No matter how destructive the DF power is, AdvCoA and AdvCoC will be able to withstand it, like Luffy against the Magma Dragon or Shanks against Akainu.
The AdvCoC forms are still a bit foggy, but an Admiral being paralyzed by it explains itself.

Just accept the facts, bro.

You say that but Blackbeard is just a devil fruit merchant with broken fruits and no CoC haki.

 

[GUI VI]

Even prime Blackbeard won’t have CoC. And Yamato def isn’t a top tier imo

Prime Tech is an exception as he has more than one DF and will probably have a third, he will represent the peak DF user.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

I dont even expect Gorosei to have CoC or even be superior to top CoC users tbh.
Ancient Weapons is a dead argument, it is like saying a gun in a debate about who the strongest people are.
And i fully believe the statement from Vegapunk about the Seraphim becoming the strongest in the seas, is a claim written to be debunked in the manga itself when they are defeated.

We will sea, but Shanks/Roger are the peak COC users and they're going to get power cliffed by top tier EOS characters.

That narrative on its own implies there are combat abilities that surpass ACOC.

 

[ConquistadoR]

You say that but Blackbeard is just a devil fruit merchant with broken fruits and no CoC haki.

And Blackbeard is different.
He can eat 2 top class Devil Fruits, unlike Akainu.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Prime Tech is an exception as he has more than one DF and will probably have a third, he will represent the peak DF user.

And the peak DF user will defeat someone oda basically treats as the peak haki user in Shanks.

Hakis a powerful weapon; however, it’s not an instant win.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

And Blackbeard is different.
He can eat 2 top class Devil Fruits, unlike Akainu.

You know it’s funny how you keep saying the narrative supports ACOC/haki supremacy.

When we all know the most devil fruit oriented crew in the series (BB pirates) are going to beat the most haki oriented crew (Shanks)

 

[GUI VI]

And the peak DF user will defeat someone oda basically treats as the peak haki user in Shanks.

Hakis a powerful weapon; however, it’s not an instant win.

Well, 2/3 of the strongest DFs in the verse>ACoC seems fair.

But, 1 DF>ACoC, no.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Fun fact, there are fewer logias among top pirate crews than Ad CoC users.

Just Ace and Aokiji. Those are the only members of any top pirate crews with logias.

Meanwhile there are dozens (I’m including the Rocks pirates btw) of adv COC users among them.

The “but it’s rare!” argument is dog shit