Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1104 Spoilers Discussion

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I just don’t agree with this take tbh. If you don’t like it you don’t like it.
It's fine that you like it, but I'm just explaining why the community is at where it's at right now. Hell the majority of people that read One Piece enjoys what it is right now, but the writing is objectively lacking in quality in many places, which is one of the attributing factors making discussions surrounding One Piece surface level.
 
A straw hat suits you sir.
Yea I agree that you can say that Oden buffed him by 1000x and buffed his haki, his strength, his durability and everything in Wano. Without a doubt you're right in saying that without Oden, Ashura Loro is weaker then Apoo. You're right to say that Apoo would've 1 shot Loro without Oden buff. But you shouldn't say Kid pre DF 5 y/o Luffy 1 shots EOS prime KOH black blades ashura Loro. Its true no doubt that any gears Luffy from pre TS 1 shots EOS KOH Ashura Loro, but I think Loro can at least extreme diff pre DF kid Luffy after a good fight, maybe double KO Stalemate even. Yes, Luffy fought with Kizaru + Nika + Joy boy + Lucci + Seraphim, so no doubt any versions of Luffy after chapter 1, neg diff any versions of Loro (including EOS). But its true no doubt that 99.99% of the damage on King was due to Oden 0.1% due to Loro
Oh my God, why did you cut out your eye? Damn.... It's creepy. Okay. According to you, Zoro >>Goofy is on the roof. But don't forget that then Joy Boy and Nika gave him their haki and strength because of this goofy almost caught up with Zoro in strength. Let Zoro achieve everything with his own haki and training, and let his sword weaken him by 50%, but this does not give you the right to say that Zoro will not wear a bandana in a fight with Goofy. You're crazy, sir.
 
One thing I'm getting sick of is the way Luffy's fights are written - Oda wants to hammer it into our heads that he is a Yonko now but also to keep writing his multiple-round fights

Give the dude a normal 1-round fight! And not always resort to cheap stakes like "oh he's exhausted from (insert devil fruit thing), he must eat/rest for X amount"

Give my man his flowers
Tom and jerry run for 15 minutes

"Huff and puff cAn'T mAiNtAiN gEaR 5"

Yeah I am getting sick of these limits awakening my ass
 
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The facts are the facts. Egghead shows that in Wano Loro was getting buffed by Oden. Loro without Oden isn't even Ulti level ngl. He didn't scar Kaido. Oden did. Lucci V Loro makes that very clear, heck Luffy's chew toy Lucci rn is acting as Kaido. But just for Loro, Lucci himself went through Luffy + Stussy weakening seastone + killing Stussy + hitting sentomarou + Seraphim and then fought Loro for 11 chapters lmao:luffylaugh:
Delusional denying manga facts that says Enma sucks Zoro's haki. Nothing else.
 
Every fandom does not go through this .
Like black cover or Demon slayer fan base never this serious or toxic about this shit .
Yeah and its because of odas writing, he put nerf on character like dragon, mihawk, akainu cause he want to keep their true power a secret until final, result? poeple doubt their strenght. Oda keep things vague instead of confirming thing and each answer create a new question. Some fanbase like sanji, law, kidd fans always try to drag zoro down but ultimately fail when zoro get panel times. rinz and repeat. Lastly admirals/yonko fans are triggered by zoro after rooftop where he made big mom scream for kaido to dodge, perma cut kaido, stopped hakkai, mastered enma, got advcoc and achieved koh styles and dragon swords they know he is a legit threat now and officialy on their level since he is as strong as oden was with an extra card in koh asura. Admirals dont want zoro to face kizaru since they know zoro cant loose.
 
One thing I'm getting sick of is the way Luffy's fights are written - Oda wants to hammer it into our heads that he is a Yonko now but also to keep writing his multiple-round fights

Give the dude a normal 1-round fight! And not always resort to cheap stakes like "oh he's exhausted from (insert devil fruit thing), he must eat/rest for X amount"

Give my man his flowers
I 100% agree with this , Kaido was a fucking 4 round fight with power ups.
I was like fuck Oda how much more you going to push this and hope we can get past this shit now.
That why i say luffy not fighting Kizaru again would be refreshing even if first round was not great.
 
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Kizaru got nerfed by Luffy
But see if I said that then I would have to admit Luffy did serious damage to Kizaru.

I can't salvage the admiral agenda if Sanji beats his ass
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One thing I'm getting sick of is the way Luffy's fights are written - Oda wants to hammer it into our heads that he is a Yonko now but also to keep writing his multiple-round fights

Give the dude a normal 1-round fight! And not always resort to cheap stakes like "oh he's exhausted from (insert devil fruit thing), he must eat/rest for X amount"

Give my man his flowers
He wrote himself into a corner by making Luffy a god.
 
Keep ranting loser. All translations say he blocked it
Not the point. We don't have the knowledge to understand the nuances of the Japanese language. It may have different connotations when spoken as a native.

This is super common when it comes to any and all Translations.

That's not my point tho.

My point is that we see objective reality and we do know how the universe functions and what certain words mean in certain context.

We know that in every sense of the meaning. Zoro did not successfully block hakai.

This is a simple fact. This is simply reality. This isn't something that's arguable.

I need something more concrete from you to make me abandon objective reality and agree. If you cannot provide then my answer is the same. Remain ignorant. Zoro failed
 
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Not the point. We don't have the knowledge to understand the nuances of the Japanese language. It may have different connotations when spoken as a native.

This is super common when it comes to any and all Translations.

That's not my point tho.

My point is that we see objective reality and we do know how the universe functions and what certain words mean in certain context.

We know that in every sense of the meaning. Zoro did successfully block hakai.

This is a simple fact. This is simply reality. This isn't something that's arguable.

I need something more concrete from you to make me abandon objective reality and agree. Continue being ignorant
The manga said he did. End of. Keep crying loser
 
I 100% agree with this , Kaido was a fucking 4 round fight with power ups.
I was like fuck Oda how much more you going to push this and hope we can get past this shit now.
That why i say luffy not fighting Kizaru again would be refreshing even if first round was great.
It wouldn't even be bad if every single one of his Gears didn't always end up with the same drawback

At least Pre TS the times he did fight multiple rounds were done in somewhat creative manners, and not always with the "let me eat to my fill" break
 
It's fine that you like it, but I'm just explaining why the community is at where it's at right now. Hell the majority of people that read One Piece enjoys what it is right now, but the writing is objectively lacking in quality in many places, which is one of the attributing factors making discussions surrounding One Piece surface level.
There is no such thing as objectively good writing. I am (used to be) a screenwriter myself and that’s one of the main things they teach you in screenwriting 1. Quality in this instance is subjective, and many could argue that the character writing in this arc has been superb.
 
It wouldn't even be bad if every single one of his Gears didn't always end up with the same drawback

At least Pre TS the times he did fight multiple rounds were done in somewhat creative manners, and not always with the "let me eat to my fill" break
These don't even make sense he got retconned to a zoan and is awakened how do you tire out that quickly

Makes zero sense, Lucci recovered fast from Luffy's dawn rocket
 
Oh my God, why did you cut out your eye? Damn.... It's creepy. Okay. According to you, Zoro >>Goofy is on the roof. But don't forget that then Joy Boy and Nika gave him their haki and strength because of this goofy almost caught up with Zoro in strength. Let Zoro achieve everything with his own haki and training, and let his sword weaken him by 50%, but this does not give you the right to say that Zoro will not wear a bandana in a fight with Goofy. You're crazy, sir.
What?! Tried to inseminate the Luffy blow up doll? Yikes thats weird.
Okay, yeah you're right no point in arguing, Kid Luffy 1 shots KOH Ashura EOS Loro. Yes its true pre DF Kid Luffy is simply too much for Loro even with Oden and enmas boost. Yeah you're right I shouldn't forget that Loro got 1 shotted and neg diffed by Apoo despite Oden and enma carrying him, yeah you're right Kid Luffy without DF 1 shots Loro. But don't forget that EOS Loro with Black blades + enma + Oden boost using KOH and ashura might be able to break no DF Kid Luffy finger nail before getting bodied. I agree that despite Loro getting carried by Oden and Enma, 1000x haki boost, Loro would eventually lose to Kid Luffy without DF.
 
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