General & Others Zoro or Sanji? Who is a better leader
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People vote for Zoro only because of hate towards Sanji.
Zoro is my favorite character but I can't see him being a better leader than Sanji.
At least he has not proven himself in this direction for now.
On the other hand, creating a thread like this is a provocation towards Zoro fandom because you guys should know people would vote against Sanji because of the Z vs S debates.
Zoro is my favorite character but I can't see him being a better leader than Sanji.
At least he has not proven himself in this direction for now.
On the other hand, creating a thread like this is a provocation towards Zoro fandom because you guys should know people would vote against Sanji because of the Z vs S debates.
People vote for Zoro only because of hate towards Sanji.
Zoro is my favorite character but I can't see him being a better leader than Sanji.
At least he has not proven himself in this direction for now.
On the other hand, creating a thread like this is a provocation towards Zoro fandom because you guys should know people would vote against Sanji because of the Z vs S debates.
Zoro is my favorite character but I can't see him being a better leader than Sanji.
At least he has not proven himself in this direction for now.
On the other hand, creating a thread like this is a provocation towards Zoro fandom because you guys should know people would vote against Sanji because of the Z vs S debates.
A group where neither Luffy or Zoro were around?
Cuz if Zoro was there Oda already gave his answer about the subject..
"Take the role of VC ".
-Zoro had ppl following him before meeting Luffy.
- Reason all join together to push the birdcage was due him he inspired them all ....even Fujitora and Marines.
- Hes the one always mistaken as captain or something in the story by the author.
-Actually wanted to be the one in command in the baroque works event.
-Collected and not so emotional to put at risk the lives of his nakamas.
The so called "leader"for you left the crew(weak and mid trio) to look for prostitutes mid war ...
Sanji has a lot of votes of users who actually hate Zoro character ...just check the poll yourself.
Unless you think those are legit debaters wew.
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Zoro said he will join baroque works only if he was the captain...
Author makes the individuals in the story confuse him as the captain.
Luffy is not the smartest,is not good at plans or strategic ...
-The one who came up with the idea to find out MR2 was Zoro.
-Facing two Yonkos in Wano was his analysis of Luffy going to WCI( zou)
-Also this which happened in Wano..
Luffy doesn't fit in your requirements to be a leader at all but he's a leader we all accept but Zoro who does the same and even more( you asked for strategy,plans,etc) is not fit?
That's a bit of bias...
Author makes the individuals in the story confuse him as the captain.
Luffy is not the smartest,is not good at plans or strategic ...
-The one who came up with the idea to find out MR2 was Zoro.
-Facing two Yonkos in Wano was his analysis of Luffy going to WCI( zou)
-Also this which happened in Wano..
Luffy doesn't fit in your requirements to be a leader at all but he's a leader we all accept but Zoro who does the same and even more( you asked for strategy,plans,etc) is not fit?
That's a bit of bias...
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Zoro doesn't even share a panel with "his" half of the crew, Usopp, Franky and Robin looked for Sanji as soon as he arrived in Wano.
Zoro never spoke to them
Zoro never spoke to them
Or even him recruiting samurai like remember all the theories of him at least getting ashura or denjiro on our side. People were even speculating hed have yamato help.
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Sanji is like defacto no.2 when crew is in trouble. I dont think zoro is exactly a role model because he is pretty much like luffy and we need to add he gets lost .
His promise of gathering samurais in wano failed in general
Zoro is not a good leader and i dont think oda should make him one . He always has bee loner and it makes sense for his character.
Pretty much fits zoro's character. If he had leadership quality he probably would have left straw hat crew long back.
Though, WG did note him as part of supernova but being good fighter doesnt really equate him with other factor. Zoro lacks ability to mobilise and gain trust like luffy gets along well with his enemies like caesar ,capone etc .
Another thing he is not good at thinking external situation , when sanji had to leave the crew to protect zeff, zoro blamed him squarely dragging crew to big mom .
Even in east blue saga , zoro respected luffy because of his strength and jouned his crew.
His promise of gathering samurais in wano failed in general
Zoro is not a good leader and i dont think oda should make him one . He always has bee loner and it makes sense for his character.
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Pretty much fits zoro's character. If he had leadership quality he probably would have left straw hat crew long back.
Though, WG did note him as part of supernova but being good fighter doesnt really equate him with other factor. Zoro lacks ability to mobilise and gain trust like luffy gets along well with his enemies like caesar ,capone etc .
Another thing he is not good at thinking external situation , when sanji had to leave the crew to protect zeff, zoro blamed him squarely dragging crew to big mom .
Even in east blue saga , zoro respected luffy because of his strength and jouned his crew.
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Luffy is a leader. That's right. I never said I consider him a good leader. The question of this thread is about who's a better leader, and not who would like to be the boss.
Zoro of course says he wants to be the boss of Baroque Works because he considers himself strong and doesn't want to run around being a random member.
And knowing that Luffy "is" the captain and his opinion counts the most, he doesn't act much like a leader at all. He usually just does what he wants and drags all of his crew into bullshit. Nami, Sanji and Zoro often take over and decide things as well from what we have seen. They have a certain amount of control and remind Luffy what it takes to be the captain (such as in Water Seven about Usopp). The only remarkable thing about Luffy being a leader is the power Mihawk mentioned and that people start following him naturally. And that he cares about his crewmates and friends.
Zoro is being portrayed as "vice captain" often because he is the first mate, has been with Luffy the longest, and they act as equals. They understand each other on a higher level.
I do think he would be a good leader if it was something he is serious about. There were situations that showed that already.
Sanji on the other hand, when you shove aside his pervert mind, could be a capable leader as well. He works with strategy and tactics and that way people who follow him might not get into as much trouble as how Luffy is doing things. He is more of a thinker, and smarter. That is why I would put him as a better leader, judging by that. Something he lacks could be charisma though. So getting people to follow him could be a bit more difficult.
Zoro of course says he wants to be the boss of Baroque Works because he considers himself strong and doesn't want to run around being a random member.
And knowing that Luffy "is" the captain and his opinion counts the most, he doesn't act much like a leader at all. He usually just does what he wants and drags all of his crew into bullshit. Nami, Sanji and Zoro often take over and decide things as well from what we have seen. They have a certain amount of control and remind Luffy what it takes to be the captain (such as in Water Seven about Usopp). The only remarkable thing about Luffy being a leader is the power Mihawk mentioned and that people start following him naturally. And that he cares about his crewmates and friends.
Zoro is being portrayed as "vice captain" often because he is the first mate, has been with Luffy the longest, and they act as equals. They understand each other on a higher level.
I do think he would be a good leader if it was something he is serious about. There were situations that showed that already.
Sanji on the other hand, when you shove aside his pervert mind, could be a capable leader as well. He works with strategy and tactics and that way people who follow him might not get into as much trouble as how Luffy is doing things. He is more of a thinker, and smarter. That is why I would put him as a better leader, judging by that. Something he lacks could be charisma though. So getting people to follow him could be a bit more difficult.
To this date you think Zoro follows Luffy only cuz strength ?( Your idea of Zoro in baroque works says that) ..few wasted years as a reader.
"Zoro is being portrayed as "vice captain" often because he is the first mate, has been with Luffy the longest, and they act as equals. They understand each other on a higher level.
No,he's portrayed as a VC cuz he has qualities to place him there .
The author confirming it is just another positive point for me, author you know Oda sees Zoro fit for the role above anyone else in the crew .
Whatever he's hiding with Zoro must be decisive I think.
Unless you believe author doesn't know the meaning , requirements , characteristics of a proper VC.
Here is when you make a decision from yourself my man to give strength to your argument"
"When you shove aside his pervert mind..."
One can't simply say let's take away X ( that makes a huge part of his character ) and later say now he will work as a better leader.
Factors matter for this decision and this unfortunately can be ignored .
Zoro as a whole is a better leader I'm not adding or taking away characteristics of the manga.
( Already gave you him making plans and strategy)
Not getting in trouble matters little.
Plans can be offensive or defensive there's no a unique path.
"Zoro is being portrayed as "vice captain" often because he is the first mate, has been with Luffy the longest, and they act as equals. They understand each other on a higher level.
No,he's portrayed as a VC cuz he has qualities to place him there .
The author confirming it is just another positive point for me, author you know Oda sees Zoro fit for the role above anyone else in the crew .
Whatever he's hiding with Zoro must be decisive I think.
Unless you believe author doesn't know the meaning , requirements , characteristics of a proper VC.
Here is when you make a decision from yourself my man to give strength to your argument"
"When you shove aside his pervert mind..."
One can't simply say let's take away X ( that makes a huge part of his character ) and later say now he will work as a better leader.
Factors matter for this decision and this unfortunately can be ignored .
Zoro as a whole is a better leader I'm not adding or taking away characteristics of the manga.
( Already gave you him making plans and strategy)
Not getting in trouble matters little.
Plans can be offensive or defensive there's no a unique path.
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I never said that Zoro follows Luffy out of strength, did I? I don't know why you're trying to spin around my words, honestly. I never even said why Zoro follows Luffy. I didn't even mention it. What did I explicitly say? Let's see:
If you want to expand it to Luffy, sure. Let's do it. In my opinion, and you might see it differently, Zoro follows Luffy because he was impressed of him back in Shellstown and he had the impression that, if he followed Luffy to the Grandline, be it as a pirate or not, he had great chances of coming far in life. He was convinced that Luffy as a captain, who didn't fear shit, who just did things as he liked, would be suited as his captain. And that is because they feel equal to each other. On the same wavelength.
Furthermore, Oda didn't confirm anything. He added Barto as fan character, and said what the fans think. That is what he did. Zoro doesn't have any specific role in the Strawhats Crew besides being a fighter/being first mate. There's no vice captain and there probably won't be one anytime soon either, since there is no need.
It is true that it is wrong to just cut out a characteristic of a character, I admit it. But let me mention the following: What kind of leader does one want? What or who does the leader lead? And lead towards which goal?
These are all aspects that all come into account when considering a leader. It was never said it would be a captain, or the leader of an underground organization such as Baroque Works. What if a leader is meant like the fleet admiral of the marines? All of these come with different requirements.
So let me put it like this:
I think if the group/organization that is supposed to be led, aims at professionalism, tactics and strategy, such as marines for example, Sanji would definitely be better.
If the group was a rather free one, not restricted to rules or strategy, who do what they want, then Zoro would be a better leader.
That is my opinion. Take it as you like.
If you want to expand it to Luffy, sure. Let's do it. In my opinion, and you might see it differently, Zoro follows Luffy because he was impressed of him back in Shellstown and he had the impression that, if he followed Luffy to the Grandline, be it as a pirate or not, he had great chances of coming far in life. He was convinced that Luffy as a captain, who didn't fear shit, who just did things as he liked, would be suited as his captain. And that is because they feel equal to each other. On the same wavelength.
Furthermore, Oda didn't confirm anything. He added Barto as fan character, and said what the fans think. That is what he did. Zoro doesn't have any specific role in the Strawhats Crew besides being a fighter/being first mate. There's no vice captain and there probably won't be one anytime soon either, since there is no need.
It is true that it is wrong to just cut out a characteristic of a character, I admit it. But let me mention the following: What kind of leader does one want? What or who does the leader lead? And lead towards which goal?
These are all aspects that all come into account when considering a leader. It was never said it would be a captain, or the leader of an underground organization such as Baroque Works. What if a leader is meant like the fleet admiral of the marines? All of these come with different requirements.
So let me put it like this:
I think if the group/organization that is supposed to be led, aims at professionalism, tactics and strategy, such as marines for example, Sanji would definitely be better.
If the group was a rather free one, not restricted to rules or strategy, who do what they want, then Zoro would be a better leader.
That is my opinion. Take it as you like.
Zoro first joined due blackmail.
After that what you explained happened.
Good view ,my first impression of your comment was bad.
Even if your try to discredit Barto ( weak attempt btw) we have Oda own words.
That says Zoro is the one up to the role if needed and author damn well knows Sanji capabilities better than us don't you agree?
Or you know better the character than the author.
Saying there wont be a VC soon doesn't erase the fact that Zoro will be the one with the capabilities according to the author to be VC when the time comes ( and even Jimbei will be there) .
I guess Oda will make him grow in this aspect unlike any other crew member (Rayleigh was an easy going man when we first met him ).
"I think if the group/organization that is supposed to be led, aims at professionalism, tactics and strategy such as marines for example, Sanji would definitely be better.
(Doubtfully , Aokiji and Akainu encounter tell us that at some point strength will be needed and in real life maybe physical strength is not a factor but mental strength is and favors Zoro )
Till a female pirate ,let's say Boa Hancock arrives...and you lose your argument.
"It is true that it is wrong to just cut out a characteristic of a character, I admit it"
Then this is where you stop debating cuz you would discussing about an imaginary scenario where characters behave the way one likes it .
After that what you explained happened.
Good view ,my first impression of your comment was bad.
Even if your try to discredit Barto ( weak attempt btw) we have Oda own words.
That says Zoro is the one up to the role if needed and author damn well knows Sanji capabilities better than us don't you agree?
Or you know better the character than the author.
Saying there wont be a VC soon doesn't erase the fact that Zoro will be the one with the capabilities according to the author to be VC when the time comes ( and even Jimbei will be there) .
I guess Oda will make him grow in this aspect unlike any other crew member (Rayleigh was an easy going man when we first met him ).
"I think if the group/organization that is supposed to be led, aims at professionalism, tactics and strategy such as marines for example, Sanji would definitely be better.
(Doubtfully , Aokiji and Akainu encounter tell us that at some point strength will be needed and in real life maybe physical strength is not a factor but mental strength is and favors Zoro )
Till a female pirate ,let's say Boa Hancock arrives...and you lose your argument.
"It is true that it is wrong to just cut out a characteristic of a character, I admit it"
Then this is where you stop debating cuz you would discussing about an imaginary scenario where characters behave the way one likes it .