Controversial General Political Discussion

[Bob74h]

Strong right wing history that's switched to anti-Trump because it brought them viewership and money(CNN even admitted to this)



Center right



In the last 10 years because it was making them money. They are now canceling projects and dialing it back because it's losing them profits



Fox News, NBC,etc. Democratic Party is also right wing.



Status quo



Why are conservatives right wing? Because they want to conserve the status quo.

democrats are left wing


and cnn is left wing.




cnn shifting to left wing was cause the station always just said whatever the status quo was


they dont have any values beyond siding with who's winning and right now that's the left


left = status quo

If academics are all leftist its because science is on the side of progress

if the scientists want funding


want money for reaseach



they gonna have to agree with the goverment's idealogy which is leftsim


you think the goverment would fund reaseach projects if it disagrees



the reason why all this leftism is cause it's the leftist status quo funding it



if the system was right wing only shit that would get funding would be right wing topics so all the science would be right wing


it's not cause science is left wing itself, it's cause the system right now just is ultra left leaning

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You are the one who doesn't know any shit. You don't know what is left, right, far left, far right, center. Anything.

leftism is people who agree with carrot on everything and arent rich


if they are rich but agree with him


they liberals



source i dont need one, why would i reason with a nazi




carrot is moral and everyone else is evil



that's it just read the science (proganda man)

 

[Herrera95]

Sorry, my mistake, I forgot to write that you were also denying the genocide.

So nazi of you to go against Israel.

 

[Bob74h]

So nazi of you to go against Israel.

you misunderstand if you disagree with the left


then your a nazi kkk member



nazi only has to relate with disagreeing with people like carrot


any relation to isarel or historic events is wrong


nazi = modern day conservative



random idiots on twitter said so.


so pretty sure that's proof enough


aint that right carrot??

 

[NAMELESS]

@NikaInParis @BleakAsh

 

[Logiko]

left = status quo

Can you answer this question please :

If the left is the status co. Why is it fighting capitalism ?

you think the goverment would fund reaseach projects if it disagrees

Governement don't read researches in the first place. What they fund is scientific research. Any sane state fund science.

if the system was right wing only shit that would get funding would be right wing topics so all the science would be right wing

That's what you don't understand.. There is no such thing as "right wing" science unless you are talking about pseudoscientific stuff like scientific racism.

Science is inherently progressive.

if they are rich but agree with him


they liberals

Not necessarally, but its rare to find rich leftists who really agree with leftist mesures like taxes for example. If you find those, keep them close, those are people who have real ideas.

that's it just read the science (proganda man)

Welll.. If you consider science as propaganda, then yes, you might be the problem..

So nazi of you to go against Israel.

Ho ! Are you pulling up the last card you have ? The "you are an antisemite" card ?

nazi = modern day conservative



random idiots on twitter said so.


so pretty sure that's proof enough


aint that right carrot??

Nop. There is no such thing as Nazi today. You will find some neo nazi here and there but Nazi are no more.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

The relationship teacher/studient is not based on hierarchy, its based on respect. If teachers loses the respect, there is no relationship and no trust anymore

This

 

[NAMELESS]

"For some reason" ?

Really ?

"For some reason" ?



O... M... G...

How long will I need to keep saying this until you start understanding it ? How long will I need to keep repeating the same thing until you stop ignoring it ?

I have explained that reason time.. and time.. and times again...

If academics are all leftist its because science is on the side of progress

Science is not leftist, its leftism that is scientific(ally based).

The reason you find so much leftism among academician is because the scientific researches are demonstrating that leftist is the best way toward progress. Its not a magic trick or a massive conspiration. Its just that leftism is basing its ideology on science.

How many time will I need to explain this basic principle before you start really listening ?

Liberals
Conservative
Far rightist

Are ALL basing their reasonning on myths. Leftist do not (at least not for the most part).



Hello fascism.



I won't go again with you on this one.

No its not and I demonstrated why multiple times. You choosed to ignore my argumentation. Ok, but don't engage on that topic anymore.



Read that:



And if after that you still have the balls to tell me that I can't question myself.. then we might have a problem and we might get to a more personal ground if you know what I mean.



Why the F are you doing this comparison ? Are you sane ? We are talking about women frustrated to be oppressed here. Stop with the incel BS



I demonstrated that this assertion was wrong based on scientific researches. And you keep being ignorant about it. You are talking about me be incapable of questionning myself yet you are completely unable to aknowledge science and researches on the subject.



Spoilers: They are Einstein.



Well that's what most schools are. There is no hierarchy in school. The relationship teacher/studient is not based on hierarchy, its based on respect. If teachers loses the respect, there is no relationship and no trust anymore.

You can add coercitive mesures to keep studiants at bay, but that's all.



Indeed. Its racist.

That's not what leftists think.

But you don't really care about what leftists think you only care about the vision you have of leftist thinking.



There is no such thing as "hate speech crime"


Indeed, there are some rare exceptions to this rule



Well for once.. I agree with you.



Sorry, my mistake, I forgot to write that you were also denying the genocide.



Sure ^^

...Or simply because the leftist mafia has expelled anyone that was alien to their ideas in Brazilian academia. I had to deal with disrespct from commie school teachers since high school days. They are so fucking advanced that none of these "intelectuals" have produced anything relevant for Humanity in the last couple of decades. The left destroyed academia. Academics are all clowns nowadays.

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Can you answer this question please :

If the left is the status co. Why is it fighting capitalism ?



Governement don't read researches in the first place. What they fund is scientific research. Any sane state fund science.



That's what you don't understand.. There is no such thing as "right wing" science unless you are talking about pseudoscientific stuff like scientific racism.

Science is inherently progressive.



Not necessarally, but its rare to find rich leftists who really agree with leftist mesures like taxes for example. If you find those, keep them close, those are people who have real ideas.


Welll.. If you consider science as propaganda, then yes, you might be the problem..



Ho ! Are you pulling up the last card you have ? The "you are an antisemite" card ?



Nop. There is no such thing as Nazi today. You will find some neo nazi here and there but Nazi are no more.

oh really?you said we were all nazis not long ago lmfao

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

...Or simply because the leftist mafia has expelled anyone that was alien to their ideas in Brazilian academia. I had to deal with disrespct from commie school teachers since high school days. They are so fucking advanced that none of these "intelectuals" have produced anything relevant for Humanity in the last couple of decades. The left destroyed academia. Academics are all clowns nowadays.

Hell yeah let's bring back blood percentages and skull measuring of freshly dug up graves let's bring back the good old days

 

[NAMELESS]

@Herrera95 have a look at your "secular" jews:

If they treat Americans like this on camera,imagine what the palestinians have to deal with in a daily bases.

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Hell yeah let's bring back blood percentages and skull measuring of freshly dug up graves let's bring back the good old days

wtf are you on about,you lunatic?

 

[Bob74h]

If the left is the status co. Why is it fighting capitalism ?

everybody uses captialism


you use captial to buy food right


captial as a means to exchange for goods


and disagreeing one economic policy means nothing if you agree on every social prestriction

That's what you don't understand.. There is no such thing as "right wing" science unless you are talking about pseudoscientific stuff like scientific racism.

yea no such thing as right wing system


cause there's no right goverment to fund any right wing reaseach



left wing ''science'' exists cause there are left wing people funding those projects.


if the system was right wing then where's the funding of right wing science by goverment?

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Welll.. If you consider science as propaganda, then yes, you might be the problem..

i consider social science as propaganda


as it's not verifed


it's based more on belief



it's not like evolution where you can literally look at the dna to verify how much x orgasm relates to y

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Welll.. If you consider science as propaganda, then yes, you might be the problem..

i consider social science as propaganda


as it's not verifed


it's based more on belief



it's not like evolution where you can literally look at the dna to verify how much x orgasm relates to y

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The left destroyed academia. Academics are all clowns nowadays.

yea it's purely a proganda mill for leftists/liberals


ideally such things like science should be potitcally neutral but the people funding reaseach are all leftist hence the problem of social ''sciences' being too biased

 

[NAMELESS]

everybody uses captialism


you use captial to buy food right


captial as a means to exchange for goods


and disagreeing one economic policy means nothing if you agree on every social prestriction







yea no such thing as right wing system


cause there's no right goverment to fund any right wing reaseach



left wing ''science'' exists cause there are left wing people funding those projects.


if the system was right wing then where's the funding of right wing science by goverment?

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i consider social science as propaganda


as it's not verifed


it's based more on belief



it's not like evolution where you can literally look at the dna to verify how much x orgasm relates to y

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i consider social science as propaganda


as it's not verifed


it's based more on belief



it's not like evolution where you can literally look at the dna to verify how much x orgasm relates to y

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yea it's purely a proganda mill for leftists/liberals


ideally such things like science should be potitcally neutral but the people funding reaseach are all leftist hence the problem of social ''sciences' being too biased

I got into college back in 2018,they manage to sneak is sociolgy class in a chemistry bachelor curriculum. Science are more neutral,but the college enviroment just polludes the minds of those that aren't aware of what they are getting into.

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@Herrera95 another leftie kid too?

 

[Zenos7]

You can add coercitive mesures to keep studiants at bay, but that's all.

if necessary you have to add such measures. and thats basically the hierarchy in place.

 

[Logiko]

...Or simply because the leftist mafia has expelled anyone that was alien to their ideas in Brazilian academia

And their France academia, and united states academia, and mostly europeean academia and so many more academia...

All long will you keep believing that the left is some kind of ultimate monster that is somehow running the majorities of the scientific fields of the world ? Why can you just take a breath, relax, and open your eye far what reality really is :

Something much more simpler.

Science is progress, it has always been the case.. Progress toward more knowledge about our universe, but also about us. There is no leftist mafia taking over science. Its in your head.

They are so fucking advanced that none of these "intelectuals" have produced anything relevant for Humanity in the last couple of decades.

Yes they did : knowledge.
You assertion is the typical antiscience argumentation that all scientist have to face and fight during their lives from ignorant people who don't know how science works. Weither or not scientific knowledge can be applied to real life is another debate. Researches's job is to produce produced knowledge and that's what they do.

If you have a problem with that, you can become an antiscience militant, I'm sure that a lot of complotists and flat earthers would be glad to welcome you.

oh really?you said we were all nazis not long ago lmfao

Hm nop. Why are you lying ?

everybody uses captialism


you use captial to buy food right


captial as a means to exchange for goods


and disagreeing one economic policy means nothing if you agree on every social prestriction

Capitalism is the private property of the means of productions mate.

yea no such thing as right wing system


cause there's no right goverment to fund any right wing reaseach

No, there is just no such thing as right wing science.

left wing ''science'' exists cause there are left wing people funding those projects.

Still no. This science exist because its how reality works.

i consider social science as propaganda


as it's not verifed

It is verified and it is reviewed so you are obviously talking about a subject you don't really understand a thing about.

it's not like evolution where you can literally look at the dna to verify how much x orgasm relates to y

That's not how social sciences works mate.

But I will have to repeat and explain once again the concept of non popperian science and you will not understand it or ignore the argument anyway, so there is not much point to discuss with you on this subject.

ideally such things like science should be potitcally neutral but the people funding reaseach are all leftist hence the problem of social ''sciences' being too biased

That's not how science works. If people were neutral, there wouldn't be science in the first place. I proved you how science can be extremely bias if we don't take a political approach through multiple scientific paper about the place of woman is science. But as always, you ignored it.

Your argument is typical of those who don't really understand what science is in the first place.

In your world.. Its you who are right and its the entire scientific consensus that is wrong.

they manage to sneak is sociolgy class in a chemistry bachelor curriculum.

They manage to sneak a scientific discipline in a chemistry bachelor curriculum... how dare they ?

if necessary you have to add such measures. and thats basically the hierarchy in place.

This is not a hierarchical system, its called a coercive system.

 

[NAMELESS]

And their France academia, and united states academia, and mostly europeean academia and so many more academia...

All long will you keep believing that the left is some kind of ultimate monster that is somehow running the majorities of the scientific fields of the world ? Why can you just take a breath, relax, and open your eye far what reality really is :

Something much more simpler.

Science is progress, it has always been the case.. Progress toward more knowledge about our universe, but also about us. There is no leftist mafia taking over science. Its in your head.



Yes they did : knowledge.
You assertion is the typical antiscience argumentation that all scientist have to face and fight during their lives from ignorant people who don't know how science works. Weither or not scientific knowledge can be applied to real life is another debate. Researches's job is to produce produced knowledge and that's what they do.

If you have a problem with that, you can become an antiscience militant, I'm sure that a lot of complotists and flat earthers would be glad to welcome you.


Hm nop. Why are you lying ?



Capitalism is the private property of the means of productions mate.



No, there is just no such thing as right wing science.



Still no. This science exist because its how reality works.



It is verified and it is reviewed so you are obviously talking about a subject you don't really understand a thing about.



That's not how social sciences works mate.

But I will have to repeat and explain once again the concept of non popperian science and you will not understand it or ignore the argument anyway, so there is not much point to discuss with you on this subject.



That's not how science works. If people were neutral, there wouldn't be science in the first place. I proved you how science can be extremely bias if we don't take a political approach through multiple scientific paper about the place of woman is science. But as always, you ignored it.

Your argument is typical of those who don't really understand what science is in the first place.

In your world.. Its you who are right and its the entire scientific consensus that is wrong.


They manage to sneak a scientific discipline in a chemistry bachelor curriculum... how dare they ?





This is not a hierarchical system, its called a coercive system.

Science is amoral. Eugenics was a thing,btw. I like science,but i don't worship scientists,because they have their bias like we all do.
By Academia i meant human sciences(philosophy,history and so on). Most of academia has being hijacked thnx to cultural marxism. Look up who Antonio Gramsci was,it has nothing to with progress,but simple politics. Sneaking some classes about Marx in a chemistry curriculum was indeed bullshit.
You called everyone and their mother fascist,nazi and xyz phobic a few hundred pages ago. Man up and stop lying.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Science is amoral

Unbiased you mean

It can't be amoral by any mean. Any action that a sapient being engages is normatively mediated. This mean we are in a game of giving and asking for reasons to publicly justify what we say or what we do.

The theoretical reasoning hail to the practical reason

 

[NAMELESS]

Unbiased you mean

It can't be amoral by any mean. Any action that a sapient being engages is normatively mediated. This mean we are in a game of giving and asking for reasons to publicly justify what we say or what we do.

The theoretical reasoning hail to the practical reason

Science is a method,there is no morality intrinsic to it.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Science is a method,there is no morality intrinsic to it.

Right, it's a methods with it's own standards created by conventions. Any person who engage in this activity needs to follow the rules of the method. Rules are norms, thats why every human action is normatively mediated. The norms are social conventions that rule any human activity (theoretical or practical). As a person who engage in this activity, your normative status (commitments and entitlements) will depend on your performance. So, you are responsible by your performance in the game of following rule.
Engage in the practice of makes science make you responsible. Responsability is a deontological and therefore a moral concept.

Norms (morals) govern all rational activity

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Right, it's a methods with it's own standards create by conventions. Any person who engage in this activity needs to follow the rules of the method. Rules are norms, thats why every human action is normatively mediated. The norms are social conventions that rule any human activity (theoretical or practical). As a person who engage in this activity, your normative status (commitments and entitlements) will depend of your performance. So, you are responsible by your performance in the game of following rule.
Engage in the practice of make science make you responsible. Responsability is a deontological and therefore a moral concept.

This is normative pragmatics (Brandom and Wittgenstein)

Norms (morals) govern all rational activity

And this is basically Kant

 

[NAMELESS]

Right, it's a methods with it's own standards create by conventions. Any person who engage in this activity needs to follow the rules of the method. Rules are norms, thats why every human action is normatively mediated. The norms are social conventions that rule any human activity (theoretical or practical). As a person who engage in this activity, your normative status (commitments and entitlements) will depend of your performance. So, you are responsible by your performance in the game of following rule.
Engage in the practice of make science make you responsible. Responsability is a deontological and therefore a moral concept.

Norms (morals) govern all rational activity

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This is normative pragmatics (Brandom and Wittgenstein)


And this is basically Kant

Nazi and Japanese scientists didn't follow any fucking rules of morality in ww2,that doesn't mean science is immoral(or moral for that matter). Just like a hammer isn't immoral or moral if it cracks someone in the head because some asshole decided to go homicidal. Science is a tool(a method). The ethics and morals of it are things we created,but aren't intrinsic to it. The scientific discoveries made by nazis aren't invalid just because human experimentation is immoral. Morality isn't intrisic to observation,experimentation and repetition of predictable results(scientific method). An abstraction or a inert object can't have intrisic moral value to it. Morals and ethics are values that are assigned by us to these things.

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Right, it's a methods with it's own standards created by conventions. Any person who engage in this activity needs to follow the rules of the method. Rules are norms, thats why every human action is normatively mediated. The norms are social conventions that rule any human activity (theoretical or practical). As a person who engage in this activity, your normative status (commitments and entitlements) will depend on your performance. So, you are responsible by your performance in the game of following rule.
Engage in the practice of makes science make you responsible. Responsability is a deontological and therefore a moral concept.

Norms (morals) govern all rational activity

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This is normative pragmatics (Brandom and Wittgenstein)


And this is basically Kant

hum...you want to have a philosophical joust now. I remember that i heard the craziest things in modern/contemporary philosophy classes back in high school.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Nazi and Japanese scientists didn't follow any fucking rules of morality in ww2,that doesn't mean science is immoral(or moral for that matter). Just like a hammer isn't immoral if it cracks someone in the head because someasshole decided to go homicidal. Science is a tool(a method). The ethics and morals of it are things we created,but aren't intrinsic to it. The scientific discoveries made by nazis aren't invalid just because human experimentation is immoral. Morality isn't intrisic to observation,experimentation and repetition of predictable results(scientific method).

I'm using moral in the deontological sense, as synonym of "norms". And in the deontology, "good" and "evil" are not the central notions. The central thesis is whether certain action is conform to certain rule.

Sorry, I'm just talking about this because I'm bored and want to talk about philosophy

 

[NAMELESS]

I'm using moral in the deontological sense, as synonym of "norms". And in the deontology, "good" and "evil" are not the central notions. The central thesis is whether certain action is conform to certain rule.

Sorry, I'm just talking about this because I'm bored and want to talk about philosophy

I remember i really liked philosophy back when i was around 15,maybe its time i touch books again instead of shit posting here.
Ok,i was talking about moral in the sense of good and evil. He weren't really talking about the same thing then.