Controversial General Political Discussion

[Zemmi]

The two party system really is nuts, cause they are drifting further into extremes and there's no other options.

That being said Trump is way more capable than Biden and his office had a lot more control than whatever the current office is doing now.

I agree. The two-party system is awful. I said yesterday regarding my not being a feminist: Both sides agree with each other on so many things but the need to check boxes to fit into the two groups pushes each other to far corners to where the people believe they are enemies.

But hey, people have stayed in power forever with divide and conquer why should they change their methods now?

 

[Logiko]

Which is all BS

Its not. Those are documented facts.

White Saviors are a plague on the states and harm these groups so badly

From what datas do you get the idea that only white people are saying what you are calling "BS" ?

No matter who you are if you are told something enough times you start to believe it.

Yes. That's why we need to rely on a method as unbias as possible to analyze the world.

cause they are drifting further into extremes and there's no other options

In america, the two party system is constituated by republicans (that are far rightist, foundamentalist, complotist and conservatist) and Democrates (that are liberals, neoliberal and progressist liberals).

Only one side is diving into radicalism right now, the other doesn't move and keep the status co alive and well. Unless you consider that there is such thing as extrem centrism. Which is debatable but a legitimate way of seeing the actual state of neoliberalism.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

my life my choice and I only have myself to blame or praise

as Lama that's not how mental health works.

Sadly, they usually just hurt others.

And then off themselves

most women prefer abuse over dating average guys



my mother is that way

Bob your mother is not representative for the whole population of women. There are many people out there that are not abusive

 

[Natalija]

Its not. Those are documented facts.

From what datas do you get the idea that only white people are saying what you are calling "BS" ?



Yes. That's why we need to rely on a method as unbias as possible to analyze the world.



In america, the two party system is constituated by republicans (that are far rightist, foundamentalist, complotist and conservatist) and Democrates (that are liberals, neoliberal and progressist liberals).

Only one side is diving into radicalism right now, the other doesn't move and keep the status co alive and well. Unless you consider that there is such thing as extrem centrism. Which is debatable but a legitimate way of seeing the actual state of neoliberalism.

If you don’t think both sides are drifting to the extremes, you are gravely mistaken. They play off each other.

 

[Zemmi]

Its not. Those are documented facts.

From what datas do you get the idea that only white people are saying what you are calling "BS" ?



Yes. That's why we need to rely on a method as unbias as possible to analyze the world.



In america, the two party system is constituated by republicans (that are far rightist, foundamentalist, complotist and conservatist) and Democrates (that are liberals, neoliberal and progressist liberals).

Only one side is diving into radicalism right now, the other doesn't move and keep the status co alive and well. Unless you consider that there is such thing as extrem centrism. Which is debatable but a legitimate way of seeing the actual state of neoliberalism.

At a time these movements were needed. Btw I am only speaking for the United States I can't speak for other places. I'm not arguing that there isn't still racism or sexism out there, but that is far from the majority of people. As long as humans exist people will find a reason to hate someone else.

Not once in my life did anyone ever tell me I couldn't do anything because I was a woman. If you want to hunt, fish, camp, work on a car ect ect, cool do it. I think the only time I was told I couldn't do something was "You can't climb that tree you're wearing a dress." So guess what? I grew up to be very successful. I raise my kids solo, own my own home, run an earthmoving/trucking company. I bet if someone one have taught me how to be a victim instead, my life would look very different.

My oldest child was failing school in a large liberal-leaning school. They were also making excuses for his behavior and bad grades because he was black. I was terrified I wouldn't get him to graduate. I decided to drive 20 minutes away to enroll in a small at the time 98% white school. They didn't make excuses for him and held him to the same standard as the other students. My baby improved in every way. The best decision I ever made. I'm almost certain he would have dropped out if I left him at that other school. I know for a fact I'm not the only one who feels this way because the school's population has expanded so much in the last 3 years that it's become very diverse and they are looking into expanding the school. In fact, I believe the school population is more than the small-town population at this point.

I say white saviors because I find them the most distasteful. Where do they get the right to tell my child they are less than them and can't get ahead without their help.

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Also, I don't think anyone who voted for Biden has any right to complain about racism considering he is the most racist president in recent times.

 

[Natalija]

At a time these movements were needed. Btw I am only speaking for the United States I can't speak for other places. I'm not arguing that there isn't still racism or sexism out there, but that is far from the majority of people. As long as humans exist people will find a reason to hate someone else.

Not once in my life did anyone ever tell me I couldn't do anything because I was a woman. If you want to hunt, fish, camp, work on a car ect ect, cool do it. I think the only time I was told I couldn't do something was "You can't climb that tree you're wearing a dress." So guess what? I grew up to be very successful. I raise my kids solo, own my own home, run an earthmoving/trucking company. I bet if someone one have taught me how to be a victim instead, my life would look very different.

My oldest child was failing school in a large liberal-leaning school. They were also making excuses for his behavior and bad grades because he was black. I was terrified I wouldn't get him to graduate. I decided to drive 20 minutes away to enroll in a small at the time 98% white school. They didn't make excuses for him and held him to the same standard as the other students. My baby improved in every way. The best decision I ever made. I'm almost certain he would have dropped out if I left him at that other school. I know for a fact I'm not the only one who feels this way because the school's population has expanded so much in the last 3 years that it's become very diverse and they are looking into expanding the school. In fact, I believe the school population is more than the small-town population at this point.

I say white saviors because I find them the most distasteful. Where do they get the right to tell my child they are less than them and can't get ahead without their help.

Lol holding someone to different standards over the colour of their skin IS racism.

They’re saying he isn’t “capable” of being on the same level because of dumb reasons. Ridiculous.

 

[Zemmi]

Lol holding someone to different standards over the colour of their skin IS racism.

They’re saying he isn’t “capable” of being on the same level because of dumb reasons. Ridiculous.

Exactly. They called me one day because he was caught with a vape at school to give me a chance to explain *struggles* he might be having so they didn't suspend him. I am pretty sure I shocked the principal. I told him. "Nope, that was his and to suspend him." He's not special, he needs to learn the consequences.

Now in another situation, where my son was dealing with one boy calling him and his friends the N-word constantly. That was a completely different situation. My son eventually hit the boy and for multiple reasons, they told me they were going to expale my son. Needless to say when I found out the whole situation, my son wasn't expelled.

There is right and wrong. 1st scenario my son was wrong, in the 2nd he wasn't wrong. My children deserve every right as their peers, but also need to face the same consequences as their peers. Life isn't bowling you don't get a handicap score when you're able-bodied & minded.

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Something I saw recently that does have me concerned: Mainstream media says we won't show you Trump's speech but we will tell you anything he says that is relevant. And people just accepted. Like ok, we will be happy for you to tell us what to think instead of us watching and thinking for ourselves.

 

[Logiko]

If you don’t think both sides are drifting to the extremes, you are gravely mistaken. They play off each other.

Oh but you could totally say that liberals are radicalizing. But not really in America. In america liberals are starting to move away from conservatism and are ""starting to embrace""* leftism. """""* because its really just the very start of the beginning.

On the other hand liberalism in Europe and most proeminently in France where I live, is starting to radicalize severely. Its slowly becoming ultra liberalism and its radicalizing toward an radical vision of moderation and merit. This is leading more and more toward reforms favorizing the rich and depossessing the lower classes of the population.

So in a way, yeah, there are two side radicalizing, but they are not really working against eachother. They are actually allies against the popular and working classes

At a time these movements were needed.

This time has not ended.

- Because there are no more segregation in common transport doesn't mean that racism magically disappeared.
- Because women are now allowed to vote doesn't mean sexism is no more.
- Because there are less people in the street doesn't mean there are no more poor people

What constructed those three problems (systemic racism, patriarchy and capitalism) are still very present. They are just less visible in our societies. .. Millions are still suffering because of those three specific systems. The reality of the negative impacts of those systems on society and people of the world is still observable, still documented and still researched by current science.

The war never ended, the battlefield just changed. Its now time, more than ever, to push forward toward more progress.

but that is far from the majority of people

Its not. Its only hidden. Taboo.

As long as humans exist people will find a reason to hate someone else

I do not believe in such a defeatist and existentialist statement.

Not once in my life did anyone ever tell me I couldn't do anything because I was a woman

Good, you were lucky.

I raise my kids solo, own my own home, run an earthmoving/trucking company.

Nice achievements. I'm glad that you managed to do all that depite the state of our society.

I bet if someone one have taught me how to be a victim instead

Is this really how you see leftism ? Do you really think that we are teaching ourselves to be victims and the end ? Do you really think that we define ourself as victims ? Do you really think that people who fought for progress, sometimes with violences and revolutions for centuries will be okay by just considering themselves as victims and stand by ?

Do you really know that little about real progressism ?

My baby improved in every way.

Cool. Liberalism is usually very bad for education.

Where do they get the right to tell my child they are less than them

Is this what you hear when someone tells you that there is systemic racism in society and your child will be a victim of it ?

Also, I don't think anyone who voted for Biden has any right to complain about racism considering he is the most racist president in recent times.

No, he is not. Trump was ten times worse. But yeah, Biden do have racist bias like any white people in the world. This is undeniable.

Lol holding someone to different standards over the colour of their skin IS racism.

Indeed.

They’re saying he isn’t “capable” of being on the same level because of dumb reasons

If they said that her child is not capable because of his skill color then its indeed racism and this school must be defounded.

My children deserve every right as their peers

Indeed. But what you might not understand is that because there is something called systemic racism, your son actually deserve more than the rest.

This is the principle of equity. People of color are still discriminated systematically. This is a documented scientific fact. Racialized people are discriminated in every strat of the society, sometimes with very subtle way. So.. we need to create equity to counter systematically the other system.

The fact that you had equal chances in raising your children does not mean that this system of oppression doesn't exist. It only means that you managed to get all the benefic capitals on your side to couter this oppressive system the best way possible.

Like ok, we will be happy for you to tell us what to think instead of us watching and thinking for ourselves.

This would mean that you have all the critical thinking tools to decode and internally counter the far right, sometimes racist, ultra capitalist and patriarcal rethoric of those people to "think for yourself".

In reality, that something that is very hard to aquiere. Even me who has been debunking and countering far right biases and antiscientific ideologies for years am still lacking some core critical thinking tools to counter those rethoric internally effectively.

There is a reason why its very easy to fall for the far right rethoric. Its not because its right. Its because its appeals to all our human biases. So when someone tells you "I will decode for you you the rethoric of Trump and give you all the relevant information", they are in reality trying to protect you and not manipulate you.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

That sounds like dictatorship, anyways El Salvador seems to be doing great from what I've heard now.

I agree. The two-party system is awful. I said yesterday regarding my not being a feminist: Both sides agree with each other on so many things but the need to check boxes to fit into the two groups pushes each other to far corners to where the people believe they are enemies.

But hey, people have stayed in power forever with divide and conquer why should they change their methods now?

To be fair politics in America is rigged towards two party system . If you think Trump is Messiah he is not really much of difference . The war in Gaza will be same he is biggest supporter of Israel and close buddy of Netanyahu .

But ya I agree with one thing Joe literally bought war mongers back in white house . Trump may reduce to some extent .

 

[Ravagerblade]

C4N going on another crazy rant.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

At least under Trump we had no war in Europe lead by Putin, realtionship between Israel and Gaza were "decent" and same about Koreas.

Meanwhile Europe biggest economies are crumbling to support a proxy war.
If I could chose between Trump and Biden, I'd take Trump any day of the week.

I think that’s the only positive point about Trump , Olaf Scholz and Macron want deals with Russia back the economy in Europe is in testing time , inflation is crazy on top . I feel Germany is sitting on mine that will explode any time .

I hope he solves Ukraine-Russia when he becomes president .

 

[Zemmi]

C4N going on another crazy rant.

Please tell me what this is.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I think that’s the only positive point about Trump , Olaf Scholz and Macron want deals with Russia back the economy in Europe is in testing time , inflation is crazy on top . I feel Germany is sitting on mine that will explode any time .

I hope he solves Ukraine-Russia when he becomes president .

Scholz is an idiot

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Scholz is an idiot

He is waiting for Trump to be appointed wants good old status queue .

 

[Zemmi]

The only thing my children need is for people to stop telling them they can't do something. They aren't special little princesses who need things handed to them. If that happened they would never learn to strive and do for their own and in turn, teach their children the same habits. A great generation curse. Until one of them stands up and says I refuse that narrative and take control over their own lives.

I live in the real world I lived in the hood during my rebellious years. I have seen firsthand the problems in those areas that tbh the Democrats have no desire to truly fix because as long as they keep them in those situations they stay in power.

@Logiko I'm down to hear Trump's racist actions with receipts. Perhaps I missed them, but I am very open to becoming informed. Was it when he made it easier for black-owned businesses? Or was it when he reversed a law Biden was a part of that unequally affected black people and gave them second chances from unfair sentences?

I say people will always find a reason to dislike people, you say you don't like such a statement and then you follow with like any white people in the world. Interesting.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Please tell me what this is.

Logik is C4N . If I am correct it’s Logiko’s previous UN .

 

[Ravagerblade]

Please tell me what this is.

What part?
C4N? That's Logiko, CarrotForNakama, he just changed his name.

 

[Zemmi]

Baby syndrome is a good example of a nonpolitical taught mindset.

Let's say a couple has four kids. The oldest two females and the youngest two males.

The oldest two are held to be responsible and accountable for the younger ones. They are held to higher standards in everyday tasks growing up. Now the younger two get treated more softly since it's a first son and the baby of the family. The daughters naturally join in on the babying and hand outs to their younger siblings.

Fast forward. All children are grown in their 30s. The older two have successful careers, they have ownership over things, they handle responsibilities for themselves and others.

The two boys have never had a single note on anything in their lives. Their sisters still fill out all the paperwork and even make their doctor appointments. If they have appointments far away their sisters or their parents take them. I will give a pass to the youngest because he has MS. Both boys live in homes their father owns. One of the sisters still prepares dinner for one of her brothers to come eat in the evening.


And this is the problem of telling people they can't do something or giving them a leg up or a handout. I'm not against helping in troubling times. Everyone regardless of race/gender ect needs a hand up sometimes. The problem comes in when the system is designed to keep them there like the one in the US. I joked with my sister the other day, it was time for me to pop out two more kids, because we live in a system that rewards being a single parent with kids. There is a reason these cities never get better despite electing Democrats for decades, not only have they not gotten better, they have gotten worse. What is it when you keep doing the same action over and over expecting a different outcome?

 

[NAMELESS]

Baby syndrome is a good example of a nonpolitical taught mindset.

Let's say a couple has four kids. The oldest two females and the youngest two males.

The oldest two are held to be responsible and accountable for the younger ones. They are held to higher standards in everyday tasks growing up. Now the younger two get treated more softly since it's a first son and the baby of the family. The daughters naturally join in on the babying and hand outs to their younger siblings.

Fast forward. All children are grown in their 30s. The older two have successful careers, they have ownership over things, they handle responsibilities for themselves and others.

The two boys have never had a single note on anything in their lives. Their sisters still fill out all the paperwork and even make their doctor appointments. If they have appointments far away their sisters or their parents take them. I will give a pass to the youngest because he has MS. Both boys live in homes their father owns. One of the sisters still prepares dinner for one of her brothers to come eat in the evening.


And this is the problem of telling people they can't do something or giving them a leg up or a handout. I'm not against helping in troubling times. Everyone regardless of race/gender ect needs a hand up sometimes. The problem comes in when the system is designed to keep them there like the one in the US. I joked with my sister the other day, it was time for me to pop out two more kids, because we live in a system that rewards being a single parent with kids. There is a reason these cities never get better despite electing Democrats for decades, not only have they not gotten better, they have gotten worse. What is it when you keep doing the same action over and over expecting a different outcome?

This is a thing,but not everyone that gets this treatment ends ups a bum.

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I need to get some of these bitches from my ignore list,otherwise i will miss these rants.

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If scientists are making proper scientific studies that confirm some conservative ideas then yes, I would side with those scientists. But this is something that mostly never happens. Simply because science tends to side toward progressism.



Still no. There is no reason to listen to a flat earther about science.



This set of studies is proving that you are either ignoring science or lying as this is a wrong statement:




Nop



Yes while waiting for the investigation taht could take a year or more to decide if there was a genocide or not.



Not really no. Some women are actually sometime against feminism or anti feminist.


Case and point.


Which doesn't mean that it is true. Its actually not.




On what bases are you saying that nonsense ? I'm sure you have datas, numbers, scientifics studies and you are not just repeating what you heard from a far right gourou, right ?


Why ?



If we don't make a move now, hundreds of thousands of people will be out of jobs in a few decades.


Again, saying things without sources or scientific researches. Just repeating the common BS of far right gourou just to deligitimates women..


Did you have actual sources or scientific researches to say this BS or are you once again just repeating what you have heard on youtube ?



Maybe there are reasons for that. And those reason are maybe something in common with the way you are talking about women..

Just maybe...


Yes please, do the right thing.



No he is not and the forum is enabling this type of behavior.



They don't, they really don't.

We women have more than 40 % of chances of ending up in an abusive relationship.. they do not "always have it easier in relationships"




You are saying sexists and bigoted stuff that can hurt people and yet you are allowed to talk here... you are besically the guy screaming in the theatre and noone but me is trying to prevent you from doing that, you better enjoy this freedom while it last mate.


Fallacious rethoric


Its not.



You are literally someone that says that its okay for women to be oppressed. Let's tone done the moral lesson ok ?



Because you think you are supportive when you say that women should be forced in arranged marriage ?
No you are not. You are just being sexist, oppressive and bigoted.


Yes, we could reduced suicide. By stopping blaming women for it and start looking at the system all men are participating in (those people included) : Patriarchy. The one system that prevent men from seeking proper help and is constructing men like you, who instead of looking at the bigger picture, prefer to look at the victim of the system and blame them for your internal suffering.

You are being given the solution in a box by a group of people and instead of taking a deep look inside of it, you prefer to take your gun and shoot the people that gave you this present, because you are too afraid to change and discover that you might actually be part of the problem.



Sorry mate, this is not how society works. You are part of intrications of differents systems and environment, you can't just take yourself away from them. You are not living alone on a deserted planet.



Again.. no datas, no scientific studies, just random affirmations out of your sexist a*s...



The problem is not really that he does or doesn't. The problem is that he says those things. Those things can therefore have X impacts.


You would be surprised...



There is no feminist status co. Feminist are against the status co as they want to change the society for better rights and priviledges for women. You are again saying a bunch of nonsence.



Feminists are mainly against liberalism. Once again, nonsence.



No, you just want an excuse to legitimize the sexist vision you have on women and the biased vision you have on men.



Your sexism.



Fascism could also work in a fascist society. Any system could work, at least for a time.

Question: what harm would those systems create on people ?

Answer: A lot.

Conclusion: We should prevent such system from existing.


And you don't understand why I say that you are far right ?



Again, randoms BS affirmations without proper sociological researches or data.



No it doesn't. It just mean that men are not taken care of well enough. Don't jump to conclusions, your statement is fallacious.



No. It was more a road toward a silent death.



Not necessaraly no. Again, an affirmation without proper data.




Saying the man who wants women to be forced in arranged marriages and negates the situations of women in society....



Pure sexism. Well sorry, but this is not something that can't be left unreported.

And... this was the limit.

You crossed it.

I now consider you a full on incel and DANGEROUS man potentially capable of abuse against women.




Please don't. Let those guys alone. They don't need you.


No datas, no reasearches.. just your random average BS affirmation as always...



Wrong. Actually you can : Check for Adoption and A.R.T



Conservative much ?


What is wrong with my "views" ?

Oh and:

Sexism is not an opinion.

"We"?
Thought you were a guy. Did you gender swap too?

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The only thing my children need is for people to stop telling them they can't do something. They aren't special little princesses who need things handed to them. If that happened they would never learn to strive and do for their own and in turn, teach their children the same habits. A great generation curse. Until one of them stands up and says I refuse that narrative and take control over their own lives.

I live in the real world I lived in the hood during my rebellious years. I have seen firsthand the problems in those areas that tbh the Democrats have no desire to truly fix because as long as they keep them in those situations they stay in power.

@Logiko I'm down to hear Trump's racist actions with receipts. Perhaps I missed them, but I am very open to becoming informed. Was it when he made it easier for black-owned businesses? Or was it when he reversed a law Biden was a part of that unequally affected black people and gave them second chances from unfair sentences?

I say people will always find a reason to dislike people, you say you don't like such a statement and then you follow with like any white people in the world. Interesting.

Exactly,i keep telling the kids around here they can all be billionaires. Its all about hard work.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

C4N going on another crazy rant.

Shocking.