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If we go by the official death toll, 63k Gazans were killed due to the war. That is less than 5% of Gaza’s population.
You can say the real death toll is higher, and you may be right.
but if we define genocide as the intentional extermination of a people, 5% dead is not that.
So either it outright isnt genocide, or we need more info. In either case, being skeptical of the claim isnt the same as “lying”.
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And that’s just assuming we have the same definition of genocide. If not, then it is purely semantic.
You can say the real death toll is higher, and you may be right.
but if we define genocide as the intentional extermination of a people, 5% dead is not that.
So either it outright isnt genocide, or we need more info. In either case, being skeptical of the claim isnt the same as “lying”.
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And that’s just assuming we have the same definition of genocide. If not, then it is purely semantic.
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Again it's about lying or being honest.
1. You out yourself as dishonest when you write stuff like official death toll. 63k is the number that ISRAEL claims to be true, not an "OFFICIAL" number by any mean other than the ones that follow only Israeli propaganda. And even if that was the true number, 30% of those are CHILDREN. If one killing every 3 is a child it's clear that the intent is not war, but something else.
2. Member of the government have called for the displacement or the destroy of every single palestinian:
- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...lling-for-voluntary-migration-of-palestinians
- https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...kba-2023/0000018b-c2be-dea2-a9bf-d2be7b670000
- https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...ister-mk/00000196-9bd0-df59-abde-fbf83f1d0000
3. Many people have called it a genocide, but you don't read them because you are indoctrinated. And they are super-partes organisation or UN representatives:
- https://www.un.org/unispal/document/genocide-as-colonial-erasure-report-francesca-albanese-01oct24/
- https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...itting-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/
Again, it's all about honesty or lying. And you spread lies.
1. You out yourself as dishonest when you write stuff like official death toll. 63k is the number that ISRAEL claims to be true, not an "OFFICIAL" number by any mean other than the ones that follow only Israeli propaganda. And even if that was the true number, 30% of those are CHILDREN. If one killing every 3 is a child it's clear that the intent is not war, but something else.
2. Member of the government have called for the displacement or the destroy of every single palestinian:
- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...lling-for-voluntary-migration-of-palestinians
- https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...kba-2023/0000018b-c2be-dea2-a9bf-d2be7b670000
- https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...ister-mk/00000196-9bd0-df59-abde-fbf83f1d0000
3. Many people have called it a genocide, but you don't read them because you are indoctrinated. And they are super-partes organisation or UN representatives:
- https://www.un.org/unispal/document/genocide-as-colonial-erasure-report-francesca-albanese-01oct24/
- https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...itting-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/
Again, it's all about honesty or lying. And you spread lies.
Have you read what I sent you? No.
Then don't ask, because you are just spitting out propaganda.
Read a fucking newspaper once in a while.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...igher-than-official-number-lancet-study-finds
Numbers are unclear, I sent you 3 points and unbiased reports and you return back with
ThIs BoIlS DoWn To SeMaNtIcS.
No, you are disgusting and lie to defend a theocracy committing a genocide, just because you share the religion of said theocracy.
Pathetic.
Then don't ask, because you are just spitting out propaganda.
Read a fucking newspaper once in a while.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...igher-than-official-number-lancet-study-finds
Numbers are unclear, I sent you 3 points and unbiased reports and you return back with
ThIs BoIlS DoWn To SeMaNtIcS.
No, you are disgusting and lie to defend a theocracy committing a genocide, just because you share the religion of said theocracy.
Pathetic.
What lie did I speak?
I have not disputed any of the actual facts surrounding the war. I have merely been skeptical of the characterization of the war campaign as a genocide.
The point I was getting at with the classification being semantics is that regardless of whether or not you can classify Israel’s actions as a genocide, civilians dying in war is bad and Israelis responsible for war crimes ought to be held accountable.
I have not disputed any of the actual facts surrounding the war. I have merely been skeptical of the characterization of the war campaign as a genocide.
The point I was getting at with the classification being semantics is that regardless of whether or not you can classify Israel’s actions as a genocide, civilians dying in war is bad and Israelis responsible for war crimes ought to be held accountable.
I would argue that many reputable scholars in the areas history and genocide studies classify Israel's operation as a genocide (even Israeli ones, so there is even that layer of anti-bias).
Those arguing against it, typically point out that it doesn't fulfill every check mark of a genocide as per its initial definition that was created in the light of the Holocaust. But that's as far as the legal definition goes. Doesn't mean there isn't nuance from a sociopolitical point of view. Definitions often develop in accordance to new events and data.
Those arguing against it, typically point out that it doesn't fulfill every check mark of a genocide as per its initial definition that was created in the light of the Holocaust. But that's as far as the legal definition goes. Doesn't mean there isn't nuance from a sociopolitical point of view. Definitions often develop in accordance to new events and data.
I guess that is true, Arabic nations don't want Israel there just as much as the opposite is true, hence why there have been 60 years of war.
I guess only because the US is such a strong presence there is not an all out war in the middle east and so much money is at stake, but that's the basis of the argument that" Israel has a right to exist"
Since we cannot revert back time anymore, the only really solution that doesn't involve genocide or removal of states is a double state solution, where Israel and Palestine are widely recognised by whoever doesn't recognise them.
Otherwise it's gonna be forever war.
I guess only because the US is such a strong presence there is not an all out war in the middle east and so much money is at stake, but that's the basis of the argument that" Israel has a right to exist"
Since we cannot revert back time anymore, the only really solution that doesn't involve genocide or removal of states is a double state solution, where Israel and Palestine are widely recognised by whoever doesn't recognise them.
Otherwise it's gonna be forever war.
It is certainly a possibility that Israel’s actions could be classified as genocidal.
Ultimately due to how much genocide is based off intent, there is some degree of subjectivity in the assessment.
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Refraining from making a certain judgement is not the same thing as lying
Ultimately due to how much genocide is based off intent, there is some degree of subjectivity in the assessment.
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Refraining from making a certain judgement is not the same thing as lying
From what I have seen so far, it's fair to say Trump likes to be in limelight. He's an attention seeker who seek credits but with a very fragile ego.
He won't shy away from taking any credit whatsoever neither he will take any criticism or anyone opposing him well.
So, when a person like him refuses to release the files which he promised, it only means one thing - his name is in there or name of someone who has close ties with him is in there.
There is no way Trump would let this opportunity to take credits slide by not releasing the files unless his own reputation is at stake.
Heck, I feel this entire Tariffs stuffs has nothing to do with USA strategic trade interests or Russia because if anyone would be harmed the most then it would be USA itself..... So, it's more to do with Trump personality.
Perhaps could be the tactic to divert attention from files release pressure which was mounting on him....
Or could be because he's unable to strike peace in Russia - Ukraine and Israel -Palestine
He won't shy away from taking any credit whatsoever neither he will take any criticism or anyone opposing him well.
So, when a person like him refuses to release the files which he promised, it only means one thing - his name is in there or name of someone who has close ties with him is in there.
There is no way Trump would let this opportunity to take credits slide by not releasing the files unless his own reputation is at stake.
Heck, I feel this entire Tariffs stuffs has nothing to do with USA strategic trade interests or Russia because if anyone would be harmed the most then it would be USA itself..... So, it's more to do with Trump personality.
Perhaps could be the tactic to divert attention from files release pressure which was mounting on him....
Or could be because he's unable to strike peace in Russia - Ukraine and Israel -Palestine
This shouldn’t be news to anyone, but just in case…
https://newrepublic.com/post/199340/donald-trump-epstein-files-bill-barr-testimony
https://newrepublic.com/post/199340/donald-trump-epstein-files-bill-barr-testimony
