Controversial General Political Discussion

[Gaimon The Pirate]

I suppose my one point of contention with the genocide accusation is that if you look at the statistics, it genuinely does not look like Israel is trying to eradicate Gazans.

only 4-5% of Gazans had died in the war. Including Hamas fighters. Whereas the Holocaust killed over 60% of European Jews, with the percent going to 80-90% in some countries. Even if you say the death tolls are underestimates, it is nowhere near as high as the Holocaust. And the holocaust was basically what created the concept of genocide.

That said, it is undeniable that Israel has shown a disregard for civilian life. But I think that is different from a genocide.

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However I’m no scholar. While Gaza might not be comparable to the Holocaust, I suppose it could be comparable to the Bosnian genocide. And I do think this is a point scholars make. But I really haven’t studied the Bosnian genocide, so I can’t speak too much on this.

It took 6/7 years for Germany to perform the holocaust.
In the last 2, Israel managed to practically race to the ground the majority of living spaces and keeps killing civilians.
Also, jewish during the holocaust could not fight back like fisiologically the Gaza strip can, as they actually have some weapons.

 

[Mathias]

Israel has a bit of international pressure. They’re trying to genocide and get away with it because they know they could be prosecuted later.

Also Nazis had a solution finale plan. And it’s not a championship about who kills more people. The minimum of people who have to be murdered have never been part of any definition.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I suppose my one point of contention with the genocide accusation is that if you look at the statistics, it genuinely does not look like Israel is trying to eradicate Gazans.

only 4-5% of Gazans had died in the war. Including Hamas fighters. Whereas the Holocaust killed over 60% of European Jews, with the percent going to 80-90% in some countries. Even if you say the death tolls are underestimates, it is nowhere near as high as the Holocaust. And the holocaust was basically what created the concept of genocide.

That said, it is undeniable that Israel has shown a disregard for civilian life. But I think that is different from a genocide.

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However I’m no scholar. While Gaza might not be comparable to the Holocaust, I suppose it could be comparable to the Bosnian genocide. And I do think this is a point scholars make. But I really haven’t studied the Bosnian genocide, so I can’t speak too much on this.

Human lives are not a numbers game

 

[Monkey D Theories]

And it’s not a championship about who kills more people. The minimum of people who have to be murdered have never been part of any definition.

Human lives are not a numbers game

numbers, no

but I think if you are alleging a genocide, percentages should be a significant factor

because if genocide is the eradication of a group, don’t know how else you can prove that without looking at the percentages

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https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2024/10/22/rabcab-speak-truth/
Wish I could find it, but I saw a video of an Orthodox rabbi talking about how the pictures you see of Palestinians in Gaza look eerily similar to Jews who survived the Holocaust and how he feels sick about others using him and his faith to justify these atrocities…I understand the spirit of what you’re saying, but come on, this is undeniably genocide no matter who tries to downplay it.

not trying to downplay what’s happening, because what’s happening is undeniably awful

but I do think it’s healthy to have a bit of skepticism for Israel/palestine stuff in general, as both sides have a strong incentive to distort facts.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

numbers, no

but I think if you are alleging a genocide, percentages should be a significant factor

because if genocide is the eradication of a group, don’t know how else you can prove that without looking at the percentages

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not trying to downplay what’s happening, because what’s happening is undeniably awful

but I do think it’s healthy to have a bit of skepticism for Israel/palestine stuff in general, as both sides have a strong incentive to distort facts.

Except one side has no pull in international relationship, barely any money to fund propaganda and is literally prisoner in their own land.
Come the fuck on.

 

[NikaInParis]

numbers, no

but I think if you are alleging a genocide, percentages should be a significant factor

because if genocide is the eradication of a group, don’t know how else you can prove that without looking at the percentages

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not trying to downplay what’s happening, because what’s happening is undeniably awful

but I do think it’s healthy to have a bit of skepticism for Israel/palestine stuff in general, as both sides have a strong incentive to distort facts.

How are they (Palestinians) supposed to distort facts when they have virtually no political pull in their own country, let alone beyond its borders?

 

[Ravagerblade]

I know there's bad blood between them, but thete had to be a better way to resolve the issue. Unfortunately they don't share the same mindset, too caught up in the moments.
Defending ones Nation is absolutely fine, but there is "overkill". Atm the area should be vacated and no inhabitants allowed.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

I know there's bad blood between them, but thete had to be a better way to resolve the issue. Unfortunately they don't share the same mindset, too caught up in the moments.
Defending ones Nation is absolutely fine, but there is "overkill". Atm the area should be vacated and no inhabitants allowed.

So the Gaza inhabitants should be displaced because?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Atm the area should be vacated and no inhabitants allowed.

So Trumpy bunny can realize his Riviera plans?

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BlueskySkeets/comments/1mtldii

Anyone supporting this is what they are.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

A twofer today!!

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https://www.reddit.com/r/BlueskySkeets/comments/1mtldii

Anyone supporting this is what they are.

Dammit, you beat me to it!!

 

[Halyup]

Israel has a bit of international pressure. They’re trying to genocide and get away with it because they know they could be prosecuted later.

Also Nazis had a solution finale plan. And it’s not a championship about who kills more people. The minimum of people who have to be murdered have never been part of any definition.

Nazi germany have their lebensraum goal
The same way Israeli Govt have their Greater Israel Project

To complete their project they will commit ethnic cleansing

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Nazi germany have their lebensraum goal
The same way Israeli Govt have their Greater Israel Project

To complete their project they will commit ethnic cleansing

HELLA countries have similar ethnic cleansing projects
They don't get all the spotlight because they're not close enough to the Abrahamic holy land

 

[Jew D. Boy]

@Monkey D Theories

 

[Monkey D Theories]

@Monkey D Theories

To some extent I feel like the genocide conversation is semantics.

What’s happening in Gaza is horrible, regardless of how Israel’s actions can be classified.

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Israel has definitely shown a disregard for Palestinian life, and I hope the people responsible for those actions are eventually held accountable.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

To some extent I feel like the genocide conversation is semantics.

What’s happening in Gaza is horrible, regardless of how Israel’s actions can be classified.

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Israel has definitely shown a disregard for Palestinian life, and I hope the people responsible for those actions are eventually held accountable.

No semantics, it's just honesty vs lying.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

No semantics, it's just honesty vs lying.

If we go by the official death toll, 63k Gazans were killed due to the war. That is less than 5% of Gaza’s population.

You can say the real death toll is higher, and you may be right.

but if we define genocide as the intentional extermination of a people, 5% dead is not that.

So either it outright isnt genocide, or we need more info. In either case, being skeptical of the claim isnt the same as “lying”.

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And that’s just assuming we have the same definition of genocide. If not, then it is purely semantic.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

If we go by the official death toll, 63k Gazans were killed due to the war. That is less than 5% of Gaza’s population.

You can say the real death toll is higher, and you may be right.

but if we define genocide as the intentional extermination of a people, 5% dead is not that.

So either it outright isnt genocide, or we need more info. In either case, being skeptical of the claim isnt the same as “lying”.

Again it's about lying or being honest.

1. You out yourself as dishonest when you write stuff like official death toll. 63k is the number that ISRAEL claims to be true, not an "OFFICIAL" number by any mean other than the ones that follow only Israeli propaganda. And even if that was the true number, 30% of those are CHILDREN. If one killing every 3 is a child it's clear that the intent is not war, but something else.

2. Member of the government have called for the displacement or the destroy of every single palestinian:
- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...lling-for-voluntary-migration-of-palestinians
- https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...kba-2023/0000018b-c2be-dea2-a9bf-d2be7b670000
- https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...ister-mk/00000196-9bd0-df59-abde-fbf83f1d0000

3. Many people have called it a genocide, but you don't read them because you are indoctrinated. And they are super-partes organisation or UN representatives:
- https://www.un.org/unispal/document/genocide-as-colonial-erasure-report-francesca-albanese-01oct24/
- https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...itting-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/

Again, it's all about honesty or lying. And you spread lies.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Again it's about lying or being honest.

1. You out yourself as dishonest when you write stuff like official death toll. 63k is the number that ISRAEL claims to be true, not an "OFFICIAL" number by any mean other than the ones that follow only Israeli propaganda. .

that is the Gaza health ministry count, if I’m not mistaken

3. Many people have called it a genocide, but you don't read them because you are indoctrinated. And they are super-partes organisation or UN representatives:
- https://www.un.org/unispal/document/genocide-as-colonial-erasure-report-francesca-albanese-01oct24/
- https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...itting-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/

Again, it's all about honesty or lying. And you spread lies.

again this boils down to semantics
what exactly do you mean by genocide?

because no, Gaza isn’t the Holocaust 2.0, but it still is very bad

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

that is the Gaza health ministry count, if I’m not mistaken




again this boils down to semantics
what exactly do you mean by genocide?

because no, Gaza isn’t the Holocaust 2.0, but it still is very bad

Have you read what I sent you? No.
Then don't ask, because you are just spitting out propaganda.

Read a fucking newspaper once in a while.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...igher-than-official-number-lancet-study-finds

Numbers are unclear, I sent you 3 points and unbiased reports and you return back with
ThIs BoIlS DoWn To SeMaNtIcS.
No, you are disgusting and lie to defend a theocracy committing a genocide, just because you share the religion of said theocracy.

Pathetic.