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I suppose my one point of contention with the genocide accusation is that if you look at the statistics, it genuinely does not look like Israel is trying to eradicate Gazans.
only 4-5% of Gazans had died in the war. Including Hamas fighters. Whereas the Holocaust killed over 60% of European Jews, with the percent going to 80-90% in some countries. Even if you say the death tolls are underestimates, it is nowhere near as high as the Holocaust. And the holocaust was basically what created the concept of genocide.
That said, it is undeniable that Israel has shown a disregard for civilian life. But I think that is different from a genocide.
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However I’m no scholar. While Gaza might not be comparable to the Holocaust, I suppose it could be comparable to the Bosnian genocide. And I do think this is a point scholars make. But I really haven’t studied the Bosnian genocide, so I can’t speak too much on this.
only 4-5% of Gazans had died in the war. Including Hamas fighters. Whereas the Holocaust killed over 60% of European Jews, with the percent going to 80-90% in some countries. Even if you say the death tolls are underestimates, it is nowhere near as high as the Holocaust. And the holocaust was basically what created the concept of genocide.
That said, it is undeniable that Israel has shown a disregard for civilian life. But I think that is different from a genocide.
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However I’m no scholar. While Gaza might not be comparable to the Holocaust, I suppose it could be comparable to the Bosnian genocide. And I do think this is a point scholars make. But I really haven’t studied the Bosnian genocide, so I can’t speak too much on this.
https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2024/10/22/rabcab-speak-truth/
Wish I could find it, but I saw a video of an Orthodox rabbi talking about how the pictures you see of Palestinians in Gaza look eerily similar to Jews who survived the Holocaust and how he feels sick about others using him and his faith to justify these atrocities…I understand the spirit of what you’re saying, but come on, this is undeniably genocide no matter who tries to downplay it.
Wish I could find it, but I saw a video of an Orthodox rabbi talking about how the pictures you see of Palestinians in Gaza look eerily similar to Jews who survived the Holocaust and how he feels sick about others using him and his faith to justify these atrocities…I understand the spirit of what you’re saying, but come on, this is undeniably genocide no matter who tries to downplay it.
It took 6/7 years for Germany to perform the holocaust.
In the last 2, Israel managed to practically race to the ground the majority of living spaces and keeps killing civilians.
Also, jewish during the holocaust could not fight back like fisiologically the Gaza strip can, as they actually have some weapons.
In the last 2, Israel managed to practically race to the ground the majority of living spaces and keeps killing civilians.
Also, jewish during the holocaust could not fight back like fisiologically the Gaza strip can, as they actually have some weapons.
Israel has a bit of international pressure. They’re trying to genocide and get away with it because they know they could be prosecuted later.
Also Nazis had a solution finale plan. And it’s not a championship about who kills more people. The minimum of people who have to be murdered have never been part of any definition.
Also Nazis had a solution finale plan. And it’s not a championship about who kills more people. The minimum of people who have to be murdered have never been part of any definition.
numbers, no
but I think if you are alleging a genocide, percentages should be a significant factor
because if genocide is the eradication of a group, don’t know how else you can prove that without looking at the percentages
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not trying to downplay what’s happening, because what’s happening is undeniably awful
but I do think it’s healthy to have a bit of skepticism for Israel/palestine stuff in general, as both sides have a strong incentive to distort facts.
but I think if you are alleging a genocide, percentages should be a significant factor
because if genocide is the eradication of a group, don’t know how else you can prove that without looking at the percentages
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not trying to downplay what’s happening, because what’s happening is undeniably awful
but I do think it’s healthy to have a bit of skepticism for Israel/palestine stuff in general, as both sides have a strong incentive to distort facts.
To some extent I feel like the genocide conversation is semantics.
What’s happening in Gaza is horrible, regardless of how Israel’s actions can be classified.
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Israel has definitely shown a disregard for Palestinian life, and I hope the people responsible for those actions are eventually held accountable.
What’s happening in Gaza is horrible, regardless of how Israel’s actions can be classified.
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Israel has definitely shown a disregard for Palestinian life, and I hope the people responsible for those actions are eventually held accountable.