The reason I asked where you visited @Natalija is the country is very diverse and I don't think most people not from the country realize the US isn't what they see on TV. The vast majority of the US land isn't vast major cities, but rural communities of towns and villages.

People who do not live in those cities don't have the same experience as those who do. In these smaller communities, no one is worried about being shot. I see people side carry all the time, and think nothing of it. We aren't killing each other. Our biggest concern is our friends and family dying from overdoses.
Imagine judging many states and millions of people just cause you stayed in one city for a week.
 
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Why do you assume I visited the US? I was talking about South America.


I was mostly at East coast in USA, but that's not relevant for the Mexico/Brazil stuff.
I'm sorry I made the assumption you were talking about about the US. Must of been in a long post or a string of long posts. Just like I was in mafia, my brain still can't read long posts :milaugh:
 
Who said anything about free for all? Even if that is the case,YES YOU CAN. You punish actions and not ownership of property. Have you gun,but if you murder or rob its the nose for you. Its simple. Criminals fear punishment,not laws. If laws aint enforced,they are worth shit.
I was talking about the US in particular, punishment is a thing there.
 
That doesn't mean I have to listen to him. Its the difference between an expert making a claim and a random making a claim about a domain they are not an expert in. Like I told you. Its not about right or wrong. Its about who you trust to give you the right information.

Even a broken clock tell the right time two times a day. Anyone can say something true. It doesn't mean that they must be trusted to give overall correct information. This is why I choose to listen to scientist - people whom I believe have actual expertise - and not people who don't understand what they are talking about when talking about the reality of the world. EVEN if they are telling something that is true. Listening to anyone to give you the truth is the first step toward cultism.
obviously you dont "have to" listen to anyone lmao.

but the point was you attacking the character of someone and not the statement, and then saying some mumbojumbo about not listening to the new atheists, despite the one that was relevant to our discussion ironically being a scientist, making a statement about science. . . .

just convoluted nonsense with you
 
The reason I asked where you visited @Natalija is the country is very diverse and I don't think most people not from the country realize the US isn't what they see on TV. The vast majority of the US land isn't vast major cities, but rural communities of towns and villages.

People who do not live in those cities don't have the same experience as those who do. In these smaller communities, no one is worried about being shot. I see people side carry all the time, and think nothing of it. We aren't killing each other. Our biggest concern is our friends and family dying from overdoses.
I agree, I have traveled by car also and I have seen small towns as well. I enjoyed the smaller towns a lot more.

Imagine juding many states and millions of people just cause you stayed in one city for a week.
You're still reading too much into it cause you're too emotional. It's dangerous by proven numbers, never have I ever mentioned or insulted people.
 
I was talking about the US in particular, punishment is a thing there.
Yeah,it isn't. Brazil/Mexico and other places in Latin America suffer from systemic impunity due to politics. There is a reason that bro from El Salvador dissolved congress,its because those politicians that get paid by narcoterrorist would never allow him to actually let the police put them in jail. Using organized crime is a staple in socialism/communism.
 
I agree, I have traveled by car also and I have seen small towns as well. I enjoyed the smaller towns a lot more.


You're still reading too much into it cause you're too emotional. It's dangerous by proven numbers, never have I ever mentioned or insulted people.
Listen,i don't care what you think. What you said is indeed prejudiced. No one here is denying Mexico/Brazil are one of the most dangerous places in the world,but what you don't understand here is that the criminality has a paramilitary nature to it. Its not the average joe killing all these people. Its the cartels.
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Tbf you accused all Germans of being Nazis not only once without ever visiting :saden:
Quote?
The nazi stuff was to piss you off.
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They will try, but as I said, it would be CONSIDERABLY harder. Harder than with a firearm.
My dear,a knife does more damage than a firearm. Knife wounds are nasty and there is no regulating knifes(unless you want to live like the japanese).
 
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I agree, I have traveled by car also and I have seen small towns as well. I enjoyed the smaller towns a lot more.


You're still reading too much into it cause you're too emotional. It's dangerous by proven numbers, never have I ever mentioned or insulted people.
I have been reading about the gun debate ever since i'm 15. The correlation between crime and civillian ownership of firearms in non existant. your thesis that gun control makes for safer society is wrong. We have tight gun control in Brazil(and Mexico too btw) and yet...The narcoterrorists are all armed to the death. The politicans have body guards that are armed to the teeth. The army is armed to the teeth. Guess who has no boomstick? The average Ronaldo.
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You watch gore,right. Google that shit. i'm more afraid of getting stabbed by a big kitchen knife than getting shot with a rifle.
 
Listen,i don't care what you think.but what you said is indeed prejudiced.No one here us deying Mexico/Brazil are the most dangerous places in the world,but what you don't understadn here is that the criminality has a paramilitary nature to it. Its to the average joe killing all these people. Its the cartels.
Look up the word prejudice. I don't know why you're pissy I called it dangerous then :milaugh:

US and Mexico/Brazil crime cannot be approached the same way cause they have a different set of issues. I'm arguing for gun regulation in the US, while you're saying it wouldn't do anything by using the example of Brazil. Except that Brazil and the US are completely, completely different in crime nature, corruption, and law execution, and the same solution is not possible (right now).
 
Adults talking,don't quote my shit.
Let me guess, You are playing the "adult" !

What i said is what they fear is PUNISHMENT,not Laws
Not really no

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/247350.pdf

That's a misunderstood pacifism
No, that's just what pacifism is : Non resistance facing violence or the absence of violence is situation of conflicts.

but the point was you attacking the character of someone and not the statement
Yes precisely. The point was to show that Dawkins was not an expert on moral issues concerning abortion and had therefore no reason to say such problematic things. This was also a way to point out that Dawkins, his friend of the new atheism movement and their follower are actually going toward the pass of scientism, which is closer to cultism than real science and that their words should therefore be taken with a grain of salt.



My dear,a knife does more damage then a firearm.
Nop. Not really. Not at all in fact.
 
Look up the word prejudice. I don't know why you're pissy I called it dangerous then :milaugh:

US and Mexico/Brazil crime cannot be approached the same way cause they have a different set of issues. I'm arguing for gun regulation in the US, while you're saying it wouldn't do anything by using the example of Brazil. Except that Brazil and the US are completely, completely different in crime nature, corruption, and law execution, and the same solution is not possible (right now).
You pretending you didn't say we need a millenia of purging...ahh whatever,Nat! I already told you why i agree the American need to keep their schizophrenics kids away from guns and why that is not happening. You are just putting shit at my mouth at this point.
 
You pretending you didn't say we need a millenia of purging...ahh whatever,Nat! I already told you why i agree the American need to keep their schizophrenics kids away from guns and why that is not happening. You are just putting shit at my mouth at this point.
Yup, crime purging. It's true.
 
Mate. What you don't understand, is that Hitler was voted in power. If there were to be some crazy lunatic like him running for power. You would see the danger only when it will be in front of you, threatenning the life of your family. Fascism is something that can be perfectly accepted by the population.
Well that's what is happening here currently
 
Let me guess, You are playing the "adult" !


Not really no

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/247350.pdf


No, that's just what pacifism is : Non resistance facing violence or the absence of violence is situation of conflicts.


Yes precisely. The point was to show that Dawkins was not an expert on moral issues concerning abortion and had therefore no reason to say such problematic things. This was also a way to point out that Dawkins, his friend of the new atheism movement and their follower are actually going toward the pass of scientism, which is closer to cultism than real science and that their words should therefore be taken with a grain of salt.




Nop. Not really. Not at all in fact.
Look noboy cares about your what your gay sociologist says. Find your own echo chamber because you are the pretty much by yourself here.
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Yup, crime purging. It's true.
back in the 70s,we had low crime. What changed is that...ahh fuck it,forget it.
 
I have been reading about the gun debate ever since i'm 15. The correlation between crime and civillian ownership of firearms in non existant. your thesis that gun control makes for safer society is wrong. We have tight gun control in Brazil(and Mexico too btw) and yet...The narcoterrorists are all armed to the death. The politicans have body guards that are armed to the teeth. The army is armed to the teeth. Guess who has no boomstick? The average Ronaldo.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/...es with,firearm homicide and overall homicide.
 
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