Speculations Kizaru probably isn’t awakened

[Monkey D Theories]

Kizaru is a top tier. Yet he is ultimately just a 3 billion berry top tier.

Oda has signified that despite their being a general OP top tier consisting of Yonkos and admirals, there are still significant gaps within this tier.

Kid and Law vs Teach and Shanks show this perfectly. There is a gap between the 3 bil pirates/marines and the 4 bil pirates/marines.

Bringing us back to Kizaru, Kizaru already has amazing feats. He has some of the best speed in OP. He also showed ACoA in MF and was revealed to be Sentomaru’s haki trainer.

With this, does he really need logia awakening? Imo no.

Kizaru was never portrayed to be the strongest admiral. Akainu and Aokiji were always portrayed as above him.

Hence, imo those two should have logia awakening. The effect their battle had on PH basic. Teach should also have it on account of being a 3.9 bil pirate.

But Kizaru? I just see no reason for him to have it. If he had it, why wasn’t he considered for FA?

In Luffy vs Kizaru, Kizaru barely focused on Luffy, spending more energy trying to kill Vegapunk. Imo, it makes more sense for Kizaru to focus 100% on Luffy in round 2, rather than pull awakening out of nowhere.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Kizaru will use awakening because it is cool and Oda is a fraud if he doesn’t.

 

[ConquistadoR]

If Kizaru doesnt have CoC like it looks right now, he will be an Awakened DF user.

 

[Admiral Mou Bu]

Taking the bounties from the cross guild and comparing it to navy bounties as if there can be drawn any sort of parallels and comparisons is wild. Get into you and seriously question yourself if you are being biased here or not...

Regardless from the fact that bounties never resembled strength (Jack stronger than Sabo?, Queen stronger than Kata?, Law and Kidd equally strong to Luffy?,...) but the danger the characters posess towards the wg (includes strength to a certain amount only) and which organization they are part of, there is 0 parallels between bounties set by the navy and the fun bounties set by cross guild.

Its like comparing naval bounties to Doffy's bounties on Dressrosa...

 

[MonsterKaido]

Let egghead end. We will have the answer soon for this.

 

[Daves John]

This bounty scaling is bizzare. Law and Kid got those bounties because people were led to believe they 3v2 Big Mom and Kaido, by that logic, their actual "strength" bounties would be around 2.2 billion.

Cross Guild bounties are different, they do not have the same metric and they use crown system. So characters can't 2.8 or 3.3 billion, it's all just 3 billion.

And this is all on top of bounties always being far from just strength related.

That being said, it would be fine if Kizaru doesn't have Awakening, just show him fighting someone properly.

 

[BlackLegFring]

Some people out here actually using Buggy’s fraudulent system, lmao!

Anyway, awakening just like most other things are up to Oda’s whims, even if it makes no sense.
Kizaru is the oldest Admiral and seemingly had his fruit before Aokiji got his.
It should be pretty much all or none for the OG 3 Admirals.

Oda may not bother though since it’s hard to come up with ideas for it that aren’t too op.

 

[Dragon777]

Kizaru is a top tier. Yet he is ultimately just a 3 billion berry top tier.

Lol, using the CG's bounties to scale lol.

Not only it doesn't have any sense, but you even don't really do it.

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Some people out here actually using Buggy’s fraudulent system, lmao!

Totally lol

 

[Herrera95]

Kizaru is a top tier. Yet he is ultimately just a 3 billion berry top tier.

3 bi berry pirate beated a 4,6 bi berry pirate. What is your logic here?

 

[God of Finance]

I stopped reading after top tier.

 

[Kizaruber Eats]

If PH can justify akainu and Kuzan having awakening, then enies lobby should justify kizaru having it too.

It makes no sense for 2 OG Admirals to have it and not Kizaru too especially. They are the strongest force of the wg/marines, a top 3 power in the world and Kizaru has been in the marines for decades.

All of them are extremely df reliant too do another reason for it too.

But given the complete utter fraudulence oda showed with big mom and kaido not having it, I've not got my hopes. Oda is taking the most convenient, laziest, easiest, most cowardly route for himself here.

There's a slim chance Kizaru will show awakening now, I'm not getting my hopes up anymore. Everytime I try to have hope and hype for something on one piece, oda crushes it without fail regardless.

Oda has really dumbed down Kizaru here, nerfed him a lot. Sabaody Kizaru was by the far the best despite Apoo blowing him up in half, Oda has been extremely lazy and mostly uncreative and very repetitive with Kizaru since then.

I can get hundreds of awesome ideas in mere seconds, at "Light speed" from chatgpt for kizaru in all sorts of ways including awakening related stuff but Oda is almost as bad as Kubo writing Ichigo or Mashima with Natsu at this point.
Like those cheap ass losers who keep spamming the same move constantly only in fighting games.

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[CoC: Color of Clowns]

@CoC: Color of Clowns @Mr. Reloaded

Title: The Redon Riddle: A One Piece Spoiler Saga

[The scene opens in a dimly lit Japanese police station. Detective Sato, a seasoned officer, stands before a group of detectives gathered for a special mission: to apprehend the elusive One Piece spoiler leaker, Redon, whose antics have baffled authorities for years.]

Detective Sato: Alright team, listen up. Today, we embark on a mission to capture Redon, the sneakiest One Piece spoiler leaker out there. He's eluded us for far too long, but today, we bring him down!

[Cut to Redon's secret hideout, nestled deep within the dense forest. The police team, led by Detective Sato, approaches cautiously, ready to face whatever challenges lie ahead.]

Detective Sato: Keep your eyes sharp, team. Redon's tricks are as elusive as the One Piece itself.

[They cautiously enter the mansion, greeted by a maze of cardboard cutouts, mystery boxes, and cryptic clues. The walls are adorned with tantalizing hints that lead nowhere.]

Detective Tanaka: What in the world is all this? It's like we've stumbled into a funhouse of confusion.

Detective Suzuki: Redon's playing mind games with us. But we won't be outwitted!

[They press on, determined to unravel Redon's web of deception. Each room presents new challenges—a puzzle box here, a hidden compartment there—all designed to confound and frustrate.]

Detective Sato: Keep your guard up, team. Redon could be hiding anywhere.

[Hours pass, and their frustration mounts as they uncover increasingly absurd clues.]

Detective Tanaka: "The treasure lies where the sea meets the sky"? What kind of riddle is this?

Detective Suzuki: And what's with all these silhouette cutouts? Are we hunting leakers or playing shadow puppets?

[Despite their efforts, Redon remains one step ahead, leaving behind a trail of vague hints and red herrings. As they scour the hideout, they encounter walls adorned with peculiar GIFs plastered like cryptic hieroglyphs.]

Detective Sato: What in the world are these GIFs?

[The GIFs range from dancing skeletons to confused cats, each adding to the surreal ambiance of Redon's hideout.]

Detective Tanaka: Maybe Redon thinks in memes.

Detective Suzuki: Or he's just trying to drive us crazy.

[Their search leads them deeper into the mansion, where they discover a hidden door—a secret basement within the basement—a spunker bunker.]

Detective Tanaka: This must be the heart of Redon's operation. Let's proceed with caution.

[They descend into the dimly lit bunker, their flashlights flickering in the darkness. At the far end of the room, they see a figure hunched over a computer—a figure they never expected to encounter.]

Detective Sato: Freeze, Redon! You're under arrest!

[The figure slowly turns around, revealing a familiar face—a face that sends shockwaves through the team.]

Detective Suzuki: Wait... that's... Oda-sensei?!

[The room falls silent as they grapple with the revelation that the mastermind behind the spoilers was none other than the creator himself.]

Oda: Surprise, surprise! You finally caught me, but not as you expected.

Detective Sato: But why, Oda-sensei? Why would you stoop to such levels?

Oda: Ah, my dear detectives, it was all part of the grand tapestry of One Piece. I needed to keep the flames of curiosity burning bright, even if it meant donning the cloak of Redon.

Detective Tanaka: But what about the fans, Oda-sensei? They trusted you!

Oda: And they should continue to trust me. After all, isn't the journey just as important as the destination?

[As the detectives lead Oda away in handcuffs, the camera pans out, leaving viewers to ponder the true depths of the One Piece universe—and the enigmatic mind of its creator.]

Like, what would Shueisha even do if they caught Oda leaking his own series?

I literally have no idea, lol.

Shueshia: "Oda! Stop leaking One Piece!"
Oda: "Fuck you, shit's peak this week. MY FANS CAN'T WAIT, THEY'RE ALL ADDICTS, OKAY?!!? Did you see them during those month-long breaks?!?"

 

[Kizaruber Eats]

Like, what would Shueisha even do if they caught Oda leaking his own series?

I literally have no idea, lol.

Shueshia: "Oda! Stop leaking One Piece!"
Oda: "Fuck you, shit's peak this week. MY FANS CAN'T WAIT, THEY'RE ALL ADDICTS, OKAY?!!? Did you see them during those month-long breaks?!?"

LMFAOOOOOO, yet another moment I almost headbutt my desk because of you making me laugh so hard!

Basically me right now:

I can actually see Oda saying and doing that now too, Oda just constantly trolling the fuck out of Shuiesha and his editors, NOBODY is safe from him and his trolling, NOBODY!

 

[Monkey D Theories]

3 bi berry pirate beated a 4,6 bi berry pirate. What is your logic here?

With tons of help and after losing multiple rounds

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If Kizaru doesnt have CoC like it looks right now, he will be an Awakened DF user.

The thing is, his DF and haki game are strong to the point to where he doesn't need awakening.

He was already fighting on par with Luffy, and that's despite the fact he was constantly ditching Luffy to go kill Vegapunk. Awakening would put Kizaru soundly over Luffy given how current Kizaru is already near equals with Luffy.

And imo it just doesn't make sense to re-establish Kizaru as that strong this late into the arc. If Kizaru had awakening, he should have used it in round 1.

Rather than awakening, the big issue round 1 presented with Kizaru was his speed.

Post automatically merged: Feb 5, 2024

Taking the bounties from the cross guild and comparing it to navy bounties as if there can be drawn any sort of parallels and comparisons is wild. Get into you and seriously question yourself if you are being biased here or not...

Regardless from the fact that bounties never resembled strength (Jack stronger than Sabo?, Queen stronger than Kata?, Law and Kidd equally strong to Luffy?,...) but the danger the characters posess towards the wg (includes strength to a certain amount only) and which organization they are part of, there is 0 parallels between bounties set by the navy and the fun bounties set by cross guild.

Its like comparing naval bounties to Doffy's bounties on Dressrosa...

Some people out here actually using Buggy’s fraudulent system, lmao!

Anyway, awakening just like most other things are up to Oda’s whims, even if it makes no sense.
Kizaru is the oldest Admiral and seemingly had his fruit before Aokiji got his.
It should be pretty much all or none for the OG 3 Admirals.

Oda may not bother though since it’s hard to come up with ideas for it that aren’t too op.

Lol, using the CG's bottles to scale lol.

Not only it doesn't have any sense, but you even don't really do it.

Post automatically merged: Feb 4, 2024

Totally lol

There is no point in Oda introducing the cross guild bounties, apart than to scale marines to pirates.

What's more is that the scaling of 3 billion vs 4 billion is still consistent with the cross guild bounties.

Spoiler

Aramaki was scared of Kaido and his portrayal against Shanks tbh is on the same level as Kid's.

Spoiler

There is clear evidence that not all "Top tiers" are the same and that specifically those in the 4 billion class are of another level.

Within the marine hierarchy, not all admirals are the same. Akainu and Aokiji have been given special portrayal. Akainu is the fleet admiral and Aokiji was a fleet admiral candidate. Kizaru was completely out of the question.

 

[BlackLegFring]

With tons of help and after losing multiple rounds

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The thing is, his DF and haki game are strong to the point to where he doesn't need awakening.

He was already fighting on par with Luffy, and that's despite the fact he was constantly ditching Luffy to go kill Vegapunk. Awakening would put Kizaru soundly over Luffy given how current Kizaru is already near equals with Luffy.

And imo it just doesn't make sense to re-establish Kizaru as that strong this late into the arc. If Kizaru had awakening, he should have used it in round 1.

Rather than awakening, the big issue round 1 presented with Kizaru was his speed.

Post automatically merged: Feb 5, 2024

There is no point in Oda introducing the cross guild bounties, apart than to scale marines to pirates.

What's more is that the scaling of 3 billion vs 4 billion is still consistent with the cross guild bounties.

Spoiler

Aramaki was scared of Kaido and his portrayal against Shanks tbh is on the same level as Kid's.

Spoiler

There is clear evidence that not all "Top tiers" are the same and that specifically those in the 4 billion class are of another level.

Within the marine hierarchy, not all admirals are the same. Akainu and Aokiji have been given special portrayal. Akainu is the fleet admiral and Aokiji was a fleet admiral candidate. Kizaru was completely out of the question.

That makes no sense. It’s predicated on the silly assumption that the Fleet Admiral position requires you to be stronger just to sit behind a desk, lmao!

Any Admiral can become Fleet Admiral. If Akainu keeled over from a heart attack tomorrow, an existing Admiral will take the position.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Doesn't have an awakening, but could still fight on par with an awakened mythical Zoan with CoC coating and all sorts of advanced Haki. Makes total sense.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Doesn't have an awakening, but could still fight on par with an awakened mythical Zoan with CoC coating and all sorts of advanced Haki. Makes total sense.

I mean Kizaru literally did

His DF is just that busted. It is a logia that allows him to transform into light, letting him move at light speeds. Even in G5, Luffy couldn't keep up with Kizaru's speed:

Spoiler

The only reason Luffy even tagged him with that ACoC punch is because Kizaru was caught off guard by G5 Luffy's silliness

Spoiler

Kizaru was confused by what Luffy was going to do once he started spinning. That was the one time Luffy hit him with a heavy ACoC attack.

Spoiler

And it took Luffy and entire round of G5 just to land that one punch

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That makes no sense. It’s predicated on the silly assumption that the Fleet Admiral position requires you to be stronger just to sit behind a desk, lmao!

Any Admiral can become Fleet Admiral. If Akainu keeled over from a heart attack tomorrow, an existing Admiral will take the position.

I mean yes, he is leader of the marines, he should be the strongest one

 

[Philosoraptor]

According to Doffy's explanation: Only some powers can be awaken. We shouldn't be mad at Oda if he decides who he chooses for an ability to be Awaken and not. Besides its not easy to come up with Awaken ideas for Logias based on their abilities. They are already an embodiment of natural phenomenon.

Color me surprised if anyone can come up with something outside to what they could already do.

 

[Durableguy]

According to Doffy's explanation: Only some powers can be awaken. We shouldn't be mad at Oda if he decides who he chooses for an ability to be Awaken and not. Besides its not easy to come up with Awaken ideas for Logias based on their abilities. They are already an embodiment of natural phenomenon.

Color me surprised if anyone can come up with something outside to what they could already do.

Vegapunk straight up says not all fruits can awaken.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

According to Doffy's explanation: Only some powers can be awaken. We shouldn't be mad at Oda if he decides who he chooses for an ability to be Awaken and not. Besides its not easy to come up with Awaken ideas for Logias based on their abilities. They are already an embodiment of natural phenomenon.

Color me surprised if anyone can come up with something outside to what they could already do.

Vegapunk straight up says not all fruits can awaken.

I'm of the opinion that while all abilities could awaken, not everyone can awaken every ability.

Luffy awakened the Nika fruit because he is Joyboy's successor. The previous users of the Nika fruit couldn't awaken it because they didn't have joyboy's will.

Kid awakened the magnet fruit because he is an engineer(he built a railgun out of junk), and hence is the perfect user of the fruit.
Law awakened the ope ope no mi because he is a doctor and hence is the perfect user of the fruit.
Doffy awakened the string fruit because he likes manipulating people like puppets.
Kata awakened the mochi fruit because he likes donuts.
Lucci awakened the leopard fruit because he is a murderer.
Kaku awakened the giraffe fruit because he likes giraffes.