Speculations Embedded Will: What Logia Awakening Is, Why It's The Opposite Of Zoan Awakening, And Why We've Already Seen It
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Regular animals are easier to control. That is why we have not seen awakened mythical zoans except for Luffy.
Nikas and Luffy personalities fit well. On the other hand, in G5 it really feels like Nika is taking over near completely.
Awakening happens when a DF users body aligns with the DF.
For Zoan it would mean that the personality fit the respective animal more closely which is rather rarely the case. The actual process is still a mystery.
This is exactly what is happening with Paramecia as well. Doflamingo remote controlled the threads he generated from his suroundings.
Katakuri remote controlled the hands he created from thin air.
Doflamingo even created completely self sufficient puppets of himself.
This is more likely an ability of the Pika than awakening.
Thinly veiled wank thread. You tried, I guess.
Nikas and Luffy personalities fit well. On the other hand, in G5 it really feels like Nika is taking over near completely.
Awakening happens when a DF users body aligns with the DF.
For Zoan it would mean that the personality fit the respective animal more closely which is rather rarely the case. The actual process is still a mystery.
This is exactly what is happening with Paramecia as well. Doflamingo remote controlled the threads he generated from his suroundings.
Katakuri remote controlled the hands he created from thin air.
Doflamingo even created completely self sufficient puppets of himself.
This is more likely an ability of the Pika than awakening.
Thinly veiled wank thread. You tried, I guess.
I don’t think logias are “remote controlling” their element in the case of awakening like Katakuri or Doffy. They simply create something, give it a directive, then leave it.
With Doffy, stuff he turns into string reverts back when he leaves the vicinity.
When a logia imparts their will into an element, it’s permanent until that construct gets destroyed.
With Doffy, stuff he turns into string reverts back when he leaves the vicinity.
When a logia imparts their will into an element, it’s permanent until that construct gets destroyed.
We've had a few Linyagi threads recently, so I've decided to make a more high-effort thread.
Get ready for one of the best theories on logia awakening ever.
:cheers:
Will and willpower are undeniably major themes in One Piece, with haki itself being harnessed willpower made tangible.
Naturally, it is not surprising that the theme of will also extends to devil fruit awakenings, which has been particularly apparent with the Zoan class:
Zoan fruits contain wills:
According to Shaka, when Zoan awakening occurs, the mind of the user can be overtaken by the will of the fruit's animal.
We see this in the story with the impel-down jailers.
From Kaido's statements on the matter, we can infer that when the user's own will matches that of the fruit's animal closely enough they can maintain awakening without losing control.
And we see this with Lucci, who's bloodthirst and desire to kill matches with that of a leopard.
Why is this discussion of wills and "mind catching up to your powers" so significant?
Because elements of nature have no will.
Here's my thesis: In direct opposition to zoan awakening, logia awakening is not the will of the fruit enacting itself upon the user, but the user's will enacting upon the element of the fruit. This will allow for the creation of elemental structures that can exist permanently and operate independently of the user.
To explain and highlight what I mean, let's take a moment to look at a few scenes that I believe show an awakened logia in action:
1) Kizaru creates light clones.
Initially Kizaru creates orbs of light using Yasakani no Magatama:
The orbs of light fly over to Luffy, and stop moving.
The orbs then assemble themselves into clones, with Kizaru seemingly doing nothing to direct this.
The clones then operate completely independently of Kizaru tracking Luffy down almost as if they are locked onto him.
As a side note, it is worth mentioning that Egghead is filled with light monsters that, if created by Kizaru, are clearly acting without his continued direction.
2) The climate of punk hazard.
Punk Hazard is engulfed by endlessly erupting volcanos and endlessly swirling blizzards.
What's interesting though, is how Oda chooses to describe this.
Oda calls Punk Hazard a clash between the gazes of Aokiji and Akainu.
Suggesting, evidence of a logia user's WILL affecting an element even after they have created it.
Overall summary, TLDR:
Logia awakening is the ability to enforce your will upon your element and have it operate independently of you.
Logia awakening not only allows for the creation of element-based clones, animals, and monsters but can also allow for the creation of self-maneuvering attacks. Examples of this could be light orbs that can self-maneuver and track opponents or volcanos that continue to erupt periodically after you’ve made them. Similar to Big Mom's homies, but not limited by an existing stockpile of souls or by the need for pre-existing structures in which to embed life.
I believe that the scene where Kizaru makes clones is a teaser of the ability, similar to how we had many teasers of ACOC before it was fully explained.
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Get ready for one of the best theories on logia awakening ever.
:cheers:
Will and willpower are undeniably major themes in One Piece, with haki itself being harnessed willpower made tangible.
Naturally, it is not surprising that the theme of will also extends to devil fruit awakenings, which has been particularly apparent with the Zoan class:
Zoan fruits contain wills:
According to Shaka, when Zoan awakening occurs, the mind of the user can be overtaken by the will of the fruit's animal.
We see this in the story with the impel-down jailers.
From Kaido's statements on the matter, we can infer that when the user's own will matches that of the fruit's animal closely enough they can maintain awakening without losing control.
And we see this with Lucci, who's bloodthirst and desire to kill matches with that of a leopard.
Why is this discussion of wills and "mind catching up to your powers" so significant?
Because elements of nature have no will.
Here's my thesis: In direct opposition to zoan awakening, logia awakening is not the will of the fruit enacting itself upon the user, but the user's will enacting upon the element of the fruit. This will allow for the creation of elemental structures that can exist permanently and operate independently of the user.
To explain and highlight what I mean, let's take a moment to look at a few scenes that I believe show an awakened logia in action:
1) Kizaru creates light clones.
Initially Kizaru creates orbs of light using Yasakani no Magatama:
The orbs of light fly over to Luffy, and stop moving.
The orbs then assemble themselves into clones, with Kizaru seemingly doing nothing to direct this.
The clones then operate completely independently of Kizaru tracking Luffy down almost as if they are locked onto him.
As a side note, it is worth mentioning that Egghead is filled with light monsters that, if created by Kizaru, are clearly acting without his continued direction.
2) The climate of punk hazard.
Punk Hazard is engulfed by endlessly erupting volcanos and endlessly swirling blizzards.
What's interesting though, is how Oda chooses to describe this.
Oda calls Punk Hazard a clash between the gazes of Aokiji and Akainu.
Suggesting, evidence of a logia user's WILL affecting an element even after they have created it.
Overall summary, TLDR:
Logia awakening is the ability to enforce your will upon your element and have it operate independently of you.
Logia awakening not only allows for the creation of element-based clones, animals, and monsters but can also allow for the creation of self-maneuvering attacks. Examples of this could be light orbs that can self-maneuver and track opponents or volcanos that continue to erupt periodically after you’ve made them. Similar to Big Mom's homies, but not limited by an existing stockpile of souls or by the need for pre-existing structures in which to embed life.
I believe that the scene where Kizaru makes clones is a teaser of the ability, similar to how we had many teasers of ACOC before it was fully explained.
@SakazOuki @LANJI CUCKSMOKE @Kurozumi Wiwi @Extravlad @MarineHQ @TheKnightOfTheSea @Pringles @Elder Lee Hung @MonsterKaido @Durableguy @HA001 @TheAncientCenturion @Kizaruber Eats @WalnutTax @BillSlipton @Doggo @GUI VI @Shiroyru @Fujishiro @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier
Tried to find this in the manga recently. Maybe I missed it. I know it was displayed in the anime like that.
He still used Black Knight that way.
Kizarus clones look more like light projections. Luffy reaction emphasizes this as only one was able to harm him and the others were immaterial.
The point is still the same. Even Paramecia were able to create clones of themselves and let them move around which means it is not unique to Logia. Seem more like something that can be done than anything special like awakening. Its seems especially easy for a light fruit to do.
Something like Ame no Murakumo being awakening is far more likely. The sword is pulled from thin air. Aokijis sword has a reasonable explanation for that, Kizarus does not.
He still used Black Knight that way.
Kizarus clones look more like light projections. Luffy reaction emphasizes this as only one was able to harm him and the others were immaterial.
The point is still the same. Even Paramecia were able to create clones of themselves and let them move around which means it is not unique to Logia. Seem more like something that can be done than anything special like awakening. Its seems especially easy for a light fruit to do.
Something like Ame no Murakumo being awakening is far more likely. The sword is pulled from thin air. Aokijis sword has a reasonable explanation for that, Kizarus does not.
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So Nika is laughing over Vegapunk's death not Luffy...
Thank God!
No we can't.
His statement says that awakening only happens when mind and body catchs up with the power inside you. So we are still clueless of why Luffy and Lucci didn't lost their mind with their awakenings. Since Lucci doesn't have CoC we can't discard that (Kaku too).
This doesn't make much sense to me.
If you can't control your awakening than why even using it? Why would Oda add a power like that?
Also you had no mention about Paramecia awakening of Kid, Law, Doffy and Katakuri.
Thank God!
No we can't.
His statement says that awakening only happens when mind and body catchs up with the power inside you. So we are still clueless of why Luffy and Lucci didn't lost their mind with their awakenings. Since Lucci doesn't have CoC we can't discard that (Kaku too).
This doesn't make much sense to me.
If you can't control your awakening than why even using it? Why would Oda add a power like that?
Also you had no mention about Paramecia awakening of Kid, Law, Doffy and Katakuri.