General & Others In Chinese Mythology, Luffy represents the Tiger.

[trav]

Zoro is a tiger. theres action figures for Luffy, Nami and Zoro where Luffy is a monkey, Nami is a cat and Zoro is a... tiger.
if you believe this Tiger vs Dragon stuff for Wano then you should also aknowledge the possibility of Zoro fighting Kaido.

for me, Zoro is the Tiger. although I do not subscribe to the whole Tiger vs Dragon thing anyways.

 

[Finalbeta]

Zoro = Tiger holds perfectly sense

After all that is indeed his personality

I think it suits even more than the Wolf which is more solitary

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

No you're going based off of the statement made by a dude in an article of the various trope websites that copy pasted the same article across their 3-4 different sites. In one of the sites that actually gives the examples if you end up going through them, you'll realize the examples themselves don't follow their statement about the personality traits mentioned, only very few do. On top of that the personalities mentioned in the article by whoever wrote it for tvtropes is based on characters in few works of fictions where a Tiger vs Dragon was used, it's derivative is not the actual mythos when it comes to personality. If we're discussing actual mythos personality of the Tiger, then I'd look at the personality traits I mentioned earlier.

Luffy will never be represented by the Tiger, the monkey is reserved for him no matter the scenario. Highly doubt Oda would ever put him in a situation where he'd represent the Tiger or the Dragon. It seems like you're pretty convinced on not realizing that Luffy doesn't possess the qualities of the Dragon from the actual mythos. So you're just forcing him into a Tiger vs Dragon situation simply because you don't want Zoro being in one against Kaido lol. And even in the tvtropes list of personalities of the Tiger, Zoro fits that to the T as already pointed by few examples by myself and few other individuals.

There aren't really countless symbolic mythos of symbolism regarding the Dragon/Tiger. There are ones that have the Tiger & Dragon on their own, there's ones based on the uniting of the Tiger & Dragon together, and then of course the one being discussed here Tiger vs Dragon. In the Tiger vs Dragon mytho of symbolism, Tiger is the force that challenges the mighty Dragon from encompassing all.

Again, not talking about the spirituality and the symbolism it represents. The description of the trope of the Tiger vs Dragon clearly fits Luffy in the role of the Tiger. It's a trope. In terms of spiritual animal symbolism, yes Luffy fits the Monkey. Not once have I tried to say or imply that Luffy's spiritual animal is represented by a tiger, which you seem to think I am getting at. The trope and concept itself it used to represent the Yin and the Yang. Hell we can drop the whole Tiger/Dragon aspect of it, and just look at it from a pure Yin and Yang perspective. Zoro will never be the Yang to Kaido's Yin. That spot is all inclusively reserved for Luffy. This is his quest to defeat the Four Emperors and become Pirate King. Not Zoro's.

Trying to place Zoro at the forefront of what has been been built up for Luffy for over the course of 20+ years, by somehow trying to link him to Kaido with the "Tiger vs Dragon" concept, while ignoring that the concept in and of itself is based on the principle of Yin and Yang and looking at it from just a literal sense, is forcing a false narrative.

In the series Yamato no Orochi is not a Dragon. Thus he's automatically excluded. It is also false that Oda has done more to build up a conflict between Zoro and Orochi than he has between Zoro and Kaido.

Except Orochi's Devil Fruit design is literally that of Dragon heads, and not snake heads. And many iterations of the Yamato No Orochi Mythos, he is referred to as a Dragon. If we want to get into the semantics of the matter that Oda named his Devil Fruit "Hebi Hebi", then we can go and pick apart all of the other Zoan Devil Fruits that Oda classified something that was loosely based on something else. And trust me, there's quite a bit, I already looked.

Orochi is the one who snatched the land from from Kozuki clan = Nothing to do with Zoro
Orochi's actions lead to downfall of Kozuki = Nothing to do with Zoro
Death of Oden = Yup, and that same Oden considered Kaido the big threat and main problem
Killed Yasu = Yup, and that same Yasu considered Kaido the big threat and main problem
Execuetion of last surviving heir of Kozuki = Momo's own issue, not Zoro's.

What you're describing sets Orochi to be defeated by Momonosuke, who will avenge his father and reclaim the throne of the Shogun from Orochi. Which is further cemented by the fact he's inherited the sword that's related to slaying Orochi (will be coming back to this later).

Now you're saying there's more for Orochi vs Zoro than Kaido vs Zoro? I don't see how that can be true. And that there's zero build up of a Zoro and Kaido confrontation, even after all that I described in the previous post? Hmm alright let's do it in a list way.

- Inherited Ryuuma's sword who is renowned for slaying a Dragon in the capital of Wano.
- Ended up with Oden's sword which has been correlated to hurting Kaido
^^^ Ended up with swords relating two people who've fought against Dragons.

- Magazine comment of a new legend of an eastern dragon being slain possibly being born
- Trained with the sword that's been correlated directly cutting up Kaido..
- Is focused on when Yasu talks about no one being able to take Kaido's head for 20 years

So you guys will go through all the motions of connecting Zoro to Ryuma, and his connection to the Shimotsuki Clan, but ignore the ties the Shimotsuki Clan had to the Kozuki Clan? Not to mention that the Shimotsuki Clan is indirectly responsible for Orochi in the first place as they are the ones who sheltered and raised him after the Kurozumi Clans downfall.

If this is suppose to be about Zoro and him making a real impact on the Country of Wano, then forcing the narrative that he is going to take down Kaido, further removes him from being the hero in the eyes of the people of the Country of Wano. Kaido is an outsider. To them, Orochi is the cause of all their problems. Kaido is just a shadow figure, that most people of the Country are completely oblivious of the role he plays in all of this. Kaido is just Orochi's ally to the people of Wano. Kaido might be the "True threat" but Orochi is the one who caused it all. In order for Zoro to be the true hero of the Country, he needs to be the one who roots out the evil that comes from the Country. Not take down the outsider that the evil brought in.

As far as Oda killing Kaido or not with Zoro.. He starts the Wano arc off by having Zoro kill a dude cold-bloodily, so Zoro sending Kaido's head flying at the end, killing Kaido, wouldn't be surprising.

Zoro has slashed up plenty of people in the series and not killed them. I am not sure how the Magistrate is supposed to be any different.

If you ask me, you have the guy who will slay Orochi & the guy who will slay Kaido training together in this panel:

Is Momo ready yet to weild the sword? we don't know he shrugged it off because of fear. But as the arc continues, in fact from Zou, Oda has been developing Momo to have more courage. Which he continues to showcase as the arc continues furthermore. Him picking up the sword his dad entrusted to him to slay Orochi would be the close up to his story.

With Wano moving into its final stages, and Momonosuke at this point being reduced to a bloody injured mess, where is the time going to come for him to develop to become strong enough to avenge his father with his own hands?

Also, what do you think Zoro's reaction is going to be when he sees Momonosuke strung up about to get executed, and learns that it came from the order of Orochi?

 

[Zenos7]

Nobody but luffy is beating kaido or linlin this arc or not
The whole alliance is planning on fighting kaido

are you suggesting luffy will solo both kaido and linlin?

 

[Albino 👑]

are you suggesting luffy will solo both kaido and linlin?

No
Linlin might not even go down this arc

 

[Enma]

Um, in Mythology it can be referred to as both. There is literally a movie in Japan called "Orochi, The Eight Headed Dragon."

I already had this conversation with Chrono, it's bullshit and poor translation of original name.

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

▪Ppl started to deny Zoro being the tiger just to deny the possibility of fighting Kaido and killing him but let me eliminate this headcanon :

● Cover page showed a Tiger used santoryo which refered to Zoro :

Spoiler: Tiger

▪ Another Cover showed Zoro with a tiger :

Spoiler: Tiger

▪ Guess what !! an eastern dragon is controlling wano the same country where Zoro fought a tiger and killed him and anime showed that tiger to have a scar in his eye and using a sword in his mouth :

Spoiler: Tiger

The same page showed Kinemon talking about Oden who fought that eastern dragon and scarred him with his swords enma one of them which is obtained by Zoro who defeated a tiger showed in the panels below is it a coincidence

▪ Zoro has a named attack related to the tiger 《 Tiger hunt 》 Used head on to stop the dragon of PH and it did while luffy didn't have one and was sent flying and guess the winner between that tiger and the dragon it's Zoro who slayed him not the tiger luffy

Spoiler: Tiger

 

[style]

A sword is will

There seems to be an humongous fear towards Zoro even crossing paths with Kaido in several platforms or social networks.


Some throw off reasoning to push him aside him meeting an emperor .
This thread seems like another example.

After Oda allowing menbers of the weak trio and mid trio , Jimbei and Sanji too to meet and try to do something against Emperors (with Jimbei being the most successful of the group ) .
With this on mind I fail to see how "readers" are against the 2nd strongest of the crew to face or take part in the main fight against an Emperor.

Zoro has the tools ,the motives ,the story placement ,etc but still seems to be not enough for the "readers".

Participating in the fight in my opinion is a safe bet ,what he will do can be up to debate but definitely will not be small.

It's very simple guys.

A sword carries his owner's very will: manga fact

Zoro inherited Oden's sword: manga fact

Wano has 2 rulers: manga fact

My conclusion? Oden with Enma and AnH failed to free Wano 20 years ago.

Now someone gonna use these swords to free Wano, one for Kaido and one for Orochi.

We can discuss about Enma's role.
It will be used for let the final blow on Kaido or "only" a blow that weaken Kaido and makes him defeatable from Luffy?

 

[Albino 👑]

Gorrila zoro

Im pretty sure hes been called a gorrila once or twice too
:zorothink:

 

[Finalbeta]

Gorrila zoro

Im pretty sure hes been called a gorrila once or twice too
:zorothink:

The reference is perfect I must admit

 

[sanjikun]

Who gives a fuck. At the end of the day....Luffy represents the main protagonist and Kaido represents the main antagonist.

Your high if you think Zoro defeats him.

Only time something like this has happened in Shonen

All the OGs will remember this

 

[Finalbeta]

Only time something like this has happened in Shonen

All the OGs will remember this

Omg so much memories!!!!!

 

[Orojackson Refugee]

Man, zoro was bleeding from Hawkins, Apoo, and Killer.

And you want him to fight Kaido?

:queenhear:

 

[Rivaille]

:queenhear:

You’d think they would eventually learn. But they don’t which gives me an eternal source of enjoyment