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It could be hamas, but it could also be anything and anybody else. I24 is known to deliver propaganda and false informations. This is not a reliable source mate, sorry. Give me proper international investigation result about that and we might talk.
Yeah yeah of course...

Dude, you just gave me a source explaining how Trump's response to the pandemic was absolutely ignorant, inexistant and dangerous for the people of USA.

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Do you check your sources before posting them ?

Oh and Bolsonora of also a denyer of the situation, just like trump. Most bigot and far rightist at the time completely denied the impact of the pandemic.

You funny... lol
No it wasn't. His responses were to keep population controled and not freak out like media was trying to do.

In no moment he denied pandemic like you claimed.

They weren't wrong about lockdown. It only works if your country adapts dictatorship behavior to force people inside and not going outside for literally nothing like they did in China and New Zeland for example (I vaguely remember I believe Vietna also did that). If you do partially lockdown you just make things worse since people would bring the virus inside houses to the ones trying to avoid the virus and since those people didn't got out they allowed virus to perfectly spread in their bodies. That wouldn't be happening if they kept going outside and taking sun lights for example since it would be way harder to get the virus in those conditions.

And of course people have to work so they can live. Not everyone can afford being fully lockout. In poor countries like Brazil that was fucking terrible for the economy. Talking about starvation and genocide, lockdown was essentially that.
 
Yeah yeah of course...
Yup :kayneshrug:

His responses were to keep population controled and not freak out like media was trying to do.
Not freaking out is precisely why the responses of Trump, Johnson or Bolsonaro were so bad in the first place !! Not freaking out lead to the denial of the gravity of the pandemic (literally Trump in your own source), which lead to a bad management of the Pandemic and THOUSANDS of avoidable deaths !!


In no moment he denied pandemic like you claimed.
Sorry, denied the GRAVITY of the pandemic.


They weren't wrong about lockdown
Yes they were. They COMPLETELY were.
It only works if your country adapts dictatorship behavior to force people inside and not going outside for literally nothing like they did in China and New Zeland for example
Wrong. It worked in most country and prevent the virus from spreading too much. With the lockdown this would have been a global catastrophy. (which it was already in a sence)

And of course people have to work so they can live.
This is why having a state that can help people that can't work is absolutely necessary.

In poor countries like Brazil that was fucking terrible for the economy.
Tell that to all the families that lost someone.


Talking about starvation and genocide, lockdown was essentially that.
Absolutely not. You need education on what is and what is not genocide because you are being completely ignorant right now.

Denying the genocide of gaza but explaining that the lockdown that saved million of lives is a genocide...

Not really a bright move here Einstein.


yeah cause wikipedia is a reliable source and the political spectrum is: left,center-left,center and extreme right.
No. He is right. Macron was literally elected because all non abstentionnist who didn't vote for him in the first round voted for him in order to prevent the far right of Marine Le Pen to come to power.

This what I did, this is what all the left did. And I would do it again in a hearth beat.

After 9/11, the world changed to became a lot more racist against muslim and other minorities, and the far right in France that was demonized until then suddenly became more vocal about the state of french immigration's policy and this started to resonnate more and more in some classes of the population. So much that in 2002, the far right managed for the first time to attain the final round of the presidential course.

This created a global shock. French from all sides started to manifest everywhere and other party create a call for alliance against the far right. This is how Jacques Chirac was elected. This is what we call in France "the republican front", its not a scientific term, more a abuse of langage and an appeal to the values of the "republic" but this is a system that has a long term history in France. It consist of oppositions creating "alliances" to oppose a movement or a party or a candidate.

Since 2002, the republican front stood against the far right in almost all elections. But this was underestimating the far right, who - meanwhile - created a strategy of dediabolization to appeal to a better audiance and make people forget that the leading party was founded by nazi collaborationist. So the executive of the party went softer, the racist and antisemitic father who was at the head of the party gave his place to his daughter who was more appealing to popular masses and because we are in an era where media are running wild without morals... media started to invite them more and more and thus helped them in their compaign of dediabolization.

In 20 years, the leading far right party went from a party that was feared like the plague to the second biggest party in existence. And the reason for that is multiple:

- First the left got slowly invided by soft liberals over time. Hollande was elected as a leftist but was really the first leftist turned full liberal. This created a tension and points of ruptures inside the leading socialist party and at the end of Hollande mandate, the socialist party was no more.
- Second on the right. The growth of the far right was so impactfull most heads of the rightist parties (until then mostly liberals and normal capitalist) went full conservative in a matter of a decade. This made the right explode too and lead the party to have more and more radically rightist ideas and values (mostly islamophobic)
- Third, because when both party exploded, the internet exploded too and with it the willingness to find a compromize between the left (starting to reform itself) and the far right starting to take all the place. At the end of his mandate, Francois Hollande put (publically) all his points into the hand of a young former economy minister of his : Emmanuel Macron.

Macron's presidential line was clear : "I'm not left and I'm not right". He used the explosion of the right to appeal to liberals voters that didn't went full conservative on the right and used the explosion of the left to appeal to new liberal voters that choosed not to align with the newest leftist party on the left. Macron created all his program on the notion that he was a "moderator", that he was above ALL the right VS left conflict. So of course, he did very well in the election. And he used the "republican front" call like his predecessor to get elected in the final round .... and did it once again in the second mandate.

The thing is... Macron's program was empty.. he had no real values beside the value of "work and merit". So logically.. what was a program centered around simple progressist liberalism, radicalized more and more toward the right as Macron was removing more and more his progressist promises from it. But popular classes didn't accept the idea of a rich boy propusled in power by his priviledges telling french people who to find work and who working more for less was the solution to their problems... so they marched.. again, and again.. and those classes of the population started radicalizing even more.. and because we went through an era of traumatic terrosist event, instead of going to the left, some of those people turned to the right side and a lot of them started blaming the problem of society on Macron but more so on the left (who was becoming more and more aware of societal problem) and immigration.

And not only that, but the liberals and "subversive" medias who wanted to make more audience, hired a polemist (someone with mostly bigoted and unconventional thoughts) to appear as chroniquer in different shows on different channel. This lead him to have more and more solo brief and shows on tv and radio, with a growing audience and more and more bigoted thoughts... so much that one day.. the guy started to have presidential dreams. This cryptofascist made 7% in the last elections.

Anyway... during 20 years, liberals and ultra liberals in medias and institutions have been using on the left side and the right side "the republican front" not as a shield, but as a way to be elected against the far right and to keep the left, the real socialist left, out of the loop. This completely obliterated the shield that was supposed to keep the far right and cryptofascists at bay and now.. the far right is expected to win the next elections. Which will not only put million of people in REAL danger, but also send the message to all countries of the world, USA in the front line, that the world is now on"free access!!".

We know what the far right can do against populations when they consider that they are right despite being cornered by the world (Israel/Russia)... Imagine now a world where there is no limits and where the responsible of their problems are:
- People of color
- Muslim and jews
- LGBTQ+ people
- Woke
 
Lmfao what? The leader of Ukraine is a Jewish man whose ancestors survived the Holocaust and he was voted by 75% of the country.
Heard of Azov military

Zelensky is just figurehead there are various factions within Ukraine that controls the country it’s hard to explain over here . But there are far right nazi militia that has stronghold in Donbas regions .

However the narrative and version created by Putin has lot of historical inaccuracies as well . The set of invasion I would say is about Greater Russia he doesn’t recognise Ukraine as separate ethnic group .
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denazification is BS,there are literal nazis fighting for Russia
I know Putin is last person to even care about it . But Azov militia killed Russian speaking people in Ukraine .

Does Putin really care about them I am not sure about it ??

War on Nazis was not his intention Putin wants Great Russia that was his clear from get go . He has Tsarist mentality .
 
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No it wasn't. His responses were to keep population controled and not freak out like media was trying to do.

In no moment he denied pandemic like you claimed.

They weren't wrong about lockdown. It only works if your country adapts dictatorship behavior to force people inside and not going outside for literally nothing like they did in China and New Zeland for example (I vaguely remember I believe Vietna also did that). If you do partially lockdown you just make things worse since people would bring the virus inside houses to the ones trying to avoid the virus and since those people didn't got out they allowed virus to perfectly spread in their bodies. That wouldn't be happening if they kept going outside and taking sun lights for example since it would be way harder to get the virus in those conditions.

And of course people have to work so they can live. Not everyone can afford being fully lockout. In poor countries like Brazil that was fucking terrible for the economy. Talking about starvation and genocide, lockdown was essentially that.
Sweden did well without locking down
 
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Not freaking out is precisely why the responses of Trump, Johnson or Bolsonaro were so bad in the first place !! Not freaking out lead to the denial of the gravity of the pandemic (literally Trump in your own source), which lead to a bad management of the Pandemic and THOUSANDS of avoidable deaths !!
Not freak out allowed part of population to not get worse like media did with promotion marketing terrorism.

What media did during pandemics was a crime. We had media show up diseased by covid without the person dying because of covid just for politcs reasons to make the current governament seems worse while handling the covid.

Also no one fucking cared about the poor that were denied the jobs and their incomes. I can safely say if it wasn't for Bolsonaro's project giving them 600 BRL during this time we would have a bunch dying from starvation.

Being optimistic and trying to pass a positive message so population doesn't go crazy and depressed is not denying the gravity of the situation. Proof of that was how both countries were the first to have vaccine.

Yes they were. They COMPLETELY were.
No they were not. We have cases like Peru and Argentina that did insane lockdown yet couldn't prevent an incredible amount of people from dying of it anyway.

Wrong. It worked in most country and prevent the virus from spreading too much. With the lockdown this would have been a global catastrophy. (which it was already in a sence)
Just like Sweden no lockdown also worked similar to most countries. But again there is no concern about the poors when talking about lockdowns.

This is why having a state that can help people that can't work is absolutely necessary.
No it is not. People can help each other without a state that steals money without producing anything. Not only that but without a state people wouldn't even be forced to lockdown in first place and each of them would decide what is best to deal with pandemics.

Tell that to all the families that lost someone.
Tell that for the ones who lost their job, got starving, killed themselves, went to crime etc.

Absolutely not. You need education on what is and what is not genocide because you are being completely ignorant right now.

Denying the genocide of gaza but explaining that the lockdown that saved million of lives is a genocide...

Not really a bright move here Einstein.
You the one clueless about what is genocide. All you have is antisemitic propaganda. You say that Israel is genocide for not allowing aid entering Gaza when Israel does allow but you have double standards when it is governament prohibiting you from going outside your home when they did that.
 
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