How Many Qin 6 caliber commanders have we seen?

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Good evening gentlemen of the Kingdom section. I have realized unlike other larger fandoms of some manga, the Kingdom fandom doesn't have agreed definitions for characters on a particular level(like how the OP fandom has Yonko Commander level) I made this thread for the purpose of seeing the community's opinion.

I would personally define a Qin 6 commander of being capable of not only leading hundreds of thousands, but being able to secure victories against characters on the same level as the Qin 6, or win against regular great generals with a huge number disadvantage. If they can be considered roughly equal to the 5(4) members of the current Qin, I would consider them Qin 6 level.

I will make a list of all Qin 6 caliber commanders I believe we have seen so far, and would like a critique and thoughts on who should be included or not included.

Qin

• Hakuki
• Oukotsu
• Kyou
• Shibasaku
• Koshou.
• Ouki
• Tou
• Yotanwa
• Moubu
• Ousen
• Kanki
• Duke Hyou
• Shouheikun

Zhao

• Renpa
• Chousha
• Rinshoujou
• Riboku
• Shibashou

Wei

• Gokei
• Gouhoumei(?)

Yan

• Gakuki
• Gekishin(clearly a top tier despite the way he was disrespected)

Chu

• Kouen
• Kanmei
• Karin
• Man'U(??)

Han

• Raku'Kan(??)

Qi

• Gan Mo(?)

Will in the near future:

• Shin
• Ouhon
• Mouten
• Kyoukai
• Kouyoku
• Hakurei.

Could have if it wasn't for unforeseen circumstances

• The other 6 Fire Dragons.
• Keisha
• Kisui(based off that one statement, skeptical though lol).
• Shouheikun(debatably depending on your opinion of his current power)

Question marks are for characters I'm extremely skeptical about lol. Anyone obvious I forgot? I excluded Houken because he's... Houken and has leadership skills worse than an ape

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[Bullet]

Ordo in the maybe category

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Ordo in the maybe category

Ordo is underrated, but I wouldn't even consider him Fire Dragon level after he got disrespected against both Ousen and Shibashou, much less Qin 6

 

[𝓓𝓡 . 𝕋𝒆ñ𝐦𝐚]

Reiou is probably qin six level as well. Ordo too.

Overall great post.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

or win against regular great generals with a huge number disadvantage

If this is your criteria, Houken literally defeated Kyou and Gekishin singlehandedly. Lol

 

[Bullet]

Houken close to that level as well
He could attack their camp and slay half the Qin 6 level generals we've seen but he has no leadership abilities

Ordo is underrated, but I wouldn't even consider him Fire Dragon level after he got disrespected against both Ousen and Shibashou, much less Qin 6

I think you overestimates the fire dragons
Ordo atleast is relative to them if not above most of them and maybe in the mountains he could prove to be on the lower end of Qin 6

 

[Cichy]

Interesting topic. This is how I see it.

Characters on 6GG level:
-Original 6GG
-Original 3GH
-Gakuki
-Duke Hyou
-New 6GG (Moubu, Tou, Ousen, Yotanwa, Kanki)
-Riboku
-Shibashou
-Kanmei, Karin and Kouen
-Shouheikun
-End of series Shin, Ouhon, Mouten and Kyoukai

That makes total of 22 characters that we can safely say are up there now and possibly 26 in the future.

Characters that I think are NOT on that level:
-Geki Shin - despite having decent talent in his own right he was marely a copy of a real thing and Houken even considered him a fraud. It's my believe that he was a step below them despite his insane fame.
-Fire Dragons - same reason as above, they were impressive, but not on par with their rivals from other states. Gokei I think was the closest, but his refusal to fall back in a critical situation is a pretty big flaw.
-Houken - he is probably the weirdest "general" in the series. Despite being given the highest possible rank he wasn't able to lead anything on his own. There seem to be a big difference between him and martial generals like Moubu or Kanmei.
-Man'U - so far he shown both decent feats and hype, but the story seem to be going in a direction that his current approach is a flaw rather then source of strength. I also question how good were the Chu commanders he defeated in the past.
-Gohoumei - this one will probably be controversial. Despite being called a prodigy and pretty much being as close to that level as it gets he seem to be lacking a bit more extra to be on par with strategists such as RSJ, Hakuki or Koshou. His field tactics are amazing but I wish to see more of him in planing department.
-EOS Kouyoku and Hakurei - idk if it's just me, but their potrayal is not on par with Qin's young prodigies. In Coalition War they were clearly on the back foot against Ouhon and Mouten. In Juuko Arc they lost without doing anything outstanding.

 

[MarineHQ]

Ordo, Kochou, Raku'a Kan seem like in a tier of their own tbh but clearly below Qin 6 level.

This may be very controversial but I would bring up Gyou’Un. So far he was one of the most special subordinates we've seen.

 

[Bepo]

Maybe include Gaimou? I know he was imprisoned but he did clash with the likes of Ouki/Renpa and it's very likely we will see him play a major role in the Wei campaign which will allow Hara to give him more exposition. Otherwise it's a good list.

 

[MarineHQ]

Maybe include Gaimou? I know he was imprisoned but he did clash with the likes of Ouki/Renpa and it's very likely we will see him play a major role in the Wei campaign which will allow Hara to give him more exposition. Otherwise it's a good list.

Definitely. You could put him in for Oukotsu no issues there.

 

[Extravlad]

Could have if it wasn't for unforeseen circumstances

• The other 6 Fire Dragons.
• Keisha
• Kisui(based off that one statement, skeptical though lol).
• Shouheikun(debatably depending on your opinion of his current power)

There's no doubt that the likes of Gaimou and Earl Shi are/were on this level too.

As for Keisha (and I'd also throw in Ko Chou) it depends on how strong you think Kanki is compared to some of the previous 6GG.

They do have the anti-portrayal of not being part of the 3GHs but I personally believe the 3GHs are > the 6GG on average so the entry level should be higher

Strongly disagree on Kisui though. I rate Shunsuiju higher than him personally.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Houken close to that level as well
He could attack their camp and slay half the Qin 6 level generals we've seen but he has no leadership abilities

I think you overestimates the fire dragons
Ordo atleast is relative to them if not above most of them and maybe in the mountains he could prove to be on the lower end of Qin 6

nah Ordo was disrespected too much in both of his showings. I think it's clear he's not on the same level as them.

I also question how good were the Chu commanders he defeated in the past.

Shouldn't they be Rinbukun level? Remember Man'U also repelled the Kanmei Army which was hella strong with how big the soldiers are lol

Maybe include Gaimou? I know he was imprisoned but he did clash with the likes of Ouki/Renpa and it's very likely we will see him play a major role in the Wei campaign which will allow Hara to give him more exposition. Otherwise it's a good list.

Someone who's all muscle doesn't belong on the level. Moubu/Kanmei have strong subordinates, great leadership skills, good at raising morale. and can execute high level tactics. Gaimou revealing his position on the battlefield is negative battle iq, and he also was disrespected by Ouki. I don't believe Ouki would disrespect anyone on the list like that.

Gokei I think was the closest, but his refusal to fall back in a critical situation is a pretty big flaw.

It's a bad weakness, but I don't think it's as bad as Kanki's weaknesses, don't forget Ouki praised Gokei to the highest extent possible, he's definitely on the level.

but I personally believe the 3GHs are > the 6GG on average so the entry level should be higher

I agree that the Zhao Heavens are stronger on average, but we can't forget even Gekishin would have been a member if he didn't leave Zhao. So not sure about entry level.

Strongly disagree on Kisui though. I rate Shunsuiju higher than him personally.

I have SSJ above Kisui as well. I was just including Kisui on the list because of that statement. I personally don't think he'd ever make it lol