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And you are denying genocide once again.
No. I did replied, you just don't like the answer.
No mate, I support the act of resisting an oppressive state, not Hamas particulary, but keep lying
1. This is not an evidence of Unrwa's ressources being hijacked by Israel.
2. When Israel is the only source, be careful not to trust it too much
Just like National socialism was controlling germany during WWII but National socialism was never socialist to begin with.
Just because something is named "communist" doesn't mean its communist. For example in France right now, we have a communist party leader that is actually liberal and not communist at all.
So you have here a technology that is literally build on the theft of hundreds of thousands of jobs and that will put those person in the street and literally end creativity and you are like "you communist are in the past, always against evolution of technology that will save people lifes" ?
Dude.. you would be laughable if only you were making sence in the first place.
1. When new technology appears, the left is usually the one trying to implement it while conservative like you are screaming that the end of the world is near. (its literally recorded in history)
2. There is no life "saved" here. Instead there will be millions of people in the streets in the next decade.
Remember mate, that those - like you - who are currently defending this economic model and AI theft, will be alone on the front line of defense of said system, Spoiler, when you defend AI, AI will not defend you. So if you see people rise up (as they should).. be very careful of what you are gonna say to them...
As I'm not sure that people who have lost everything would kindly take such ignorant and procapitalistic remarks...
:cheers:
Don't underestimate people who fight for a reason.
Basic training only takes a few month and there are enough people in the future millionS that might lose their job to AI, to create entire armies. We are not talking about people like me who can't move from their appartment or people who just speak on twitter or only artist here. We are talking about people who work everyday in multiple industries and that have a living standard and who will lose everything for no ethical technological reasons. Plus, its not about localized crisis here and there either. We are talking about the quasi instant stop of multiple economic system and opportunities for multiple industries on an INTERNATIONAL scale..
It would be suicidal for gov. and the capitalist system to do nothing EVEN if such a revolution could benefit them in the short term. Because its not AI that will be overthrown, people will search responsibles and leaders will (legitimately point them toward people in powers and people like Herrera who are defending the fall of economy.. For its capitalism as a system that will fall, followed by government and people who defend such a system. It will be the potential rise of fascism, radical dictature or radical communism (if we are lucky). It will be the end of the world as we know it.
Capitalists and liberals don't like change, so they need to restrict AI usage for their own sake.
No. I did replied, you just don't like the answer.
No mate, I support the act of resisting an oppressive state, not Hamas particulary, but keep lying
1. This is not an evidence of Unrwa's ressources being hijacked by Israel.
2. When Israel is the only source, be careful not to trust it too much
Just like National socialism was controlling germany during WWII but National socialism was never socialist to begin with.
Just because something is named "communist" doesn't mean its communist. For example in France right now, we have a communist party leader that is actually liberal and not communist at all.
So you have here a technology that is literally build on the theft of hundreds of thousands of jobs and that will put those person in the street and literally end creativity and you are like "you communist are in the past, always against evolution of technology that will save people lifes" ?
Dude.. you would be laughable if only you were making sence in the first place.
1. When new technology appears, the left is usually the one trying to implement it while conservative like you are screaming that the end of the world is near. (its literally recorded in history)
2. There is no life "saved" here. Instead there will be millions of people in the streets in the next decade.
Remember mate, that those - like you - who are currently defending this economic model and AI theft, will be alone on the front line of defense of said system, Spoiler, when you defend AI, AI will not defend you. So if you see people rise up (as they should).. be very careful of what you are gonna say to them...
As I'm not sure that people who have lost everything would kindly take such ignorant and procapitalistic remarks...
:cheers:
Don't underestimate people who fight for a reason.
Basic training only takes a few month and there are enough people in the future millionS that might lose their job to AI, to create entire armies. We are not talking about people like me who can't move from their appartment or people who just speak on twitter or only artist here. We are talking about people who work everyday in multiple industries and that have a living standard and who will lose everything for no ethical technological reasons. Plus, its not about localized crisis here and there either. We are talking about the quasi instant stop of multiple economic system and opportunities for multiple industries on an INTERNATIONAL scale..
It would be suicidal for gov. and the capitalist system to do nothing EVEN if such a revolution could benefit them in the short term. Because its not AI that will be overthrown, people will search responsibles and leaders will (legitimately point them toward people in powers and people like Herrera who are defending the fall of economy.. For its capitalism as a system that will fall, followed by government and people who defend such a system. It will be the potential rise of fascism, radical dictature or radical communism (if we are lucky). It will be the end of the world as we know it.
Capitalists and liberals don't like change, so they need to restrict AI usage for their own sake.
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And you say Hamas does that you are just avoiding admitting just like you avoided being called Woke back then.
Cable wires coming from UNRWA HQ to the Hamas hideout is more than an evidence. Israel is the only source because only Israel is there to investigate.
Oh right what is next? Soviets were never communists too? Cuba? Venezuela? North Korea? What else? Communism never existed?
ALL TECHNOLOGY did that.
Yet here are you using computer, internet, electricity and a bunch of other technology that stole people job to complain about a new technology that like all others will do much more good than harm to humanity as a whole.
I couldn't understand this video.
Cable wires coming from UNRWA HQ to the Hamas hideout is more than an evidence. Israel is the only source because only Israel is there to investigate.
Oh right what is next? Soviets were never communists too? Cuba? Venezuela? North Korea? What else? Communism never existed?
ALL TECHNOLOGY did that.
Yet here are you using computer, internet, electricity and a bunch of other technology that stole people job to complain about a new technology that like all others will do much more good than harm to humanity as a whole.
You are confusing a lot of things. But that's logical since your vision is based mostly of fallacies. Yes I did not called myself a woke before and I've come to call myself that. This is called the reverse of the stigmate, its something that you can't really can't understand as a conservatist but in short, its a way to reappropriate the stigmate of being called a woke to lesser the impact of the word on me.
It has nothing to do with the situation.
I do support the resistance and I do support potential progressive resistance of any groups even Hamas, but I do not support hamas as an organization in anyway. In fact I was one of the first to call out their war crime on october 7th. But you on the other hand, competely defend the Israel gov and Israel's policy. And you completely deny the genocide created by this gov. So... between you and me.. the one supporting inhuman acts is not really me you see...
As I said, its an evidences of links between Hamas and Unrwa (if the source is legitimate of course which is not a given looking at Israel past propaganda) its not the evidences of Hamas hijacking the ressources of Unrwa destined to the population.
No.
Technology usually replace jobs with new one of SIMILAR genre. It doesn't change a cameraman into a programmer. Your sentence is at best completely ignorant.
Not really no as millions of people will lose their job and their field of disciplines with no way to get new jobs back. This is not progress, this is thievery.
A way for AI to create new opportunities would be to introduce it in a regulated way SLOWLY into the society. It would let time for society to adapt and for people to teach themself about new tools or to find new way to make money out of their passions.
But here, AI will:
- Rip the jobs opportunities appart
- Steal the work of previous artist/mediaindustry workers
- Prevent them from adapting
- Create a world with a vaccum of unemployment
You need to be BIG TIME IGNORANT to not understand that the job that will be gone first are the jobs that people are going by passion (that will be given to a very few) the jobs that will be left are the other kind.
Now, that's just for the media industry, now you can expect that revolution in all kind of jobs. I could bet that jobs of your entire relatives could be impacted.
See, that's the problem when you see technology for progress just because its technology. Its turns you into a tyrant that only cares about the futures and not the people.
Question: Would you create the bomb that could eradicate our universe if it had a chance to help us understand something about our universe ?
If you are coherent, you will say yes. If you say no, then go back on everything that you said previously.
It has nothing to do with the situation.
I do support the resistance and I do support potential progressive resistance of any groups even Hamas, but I do not support hamas as an organization in anyway. In fact I was one of the first to call out their war crime on october 7th. But you on the other hand, competely defend the Israel gov and Israel's policy. And you completely deny the genocide created by this gov. So... between you and me.. the one supporting inhuman acts is not really me you see...
As I said, its an evidences of links between Hamas and Unrwa (if the source is legitimate of course which is not a given looking at Israel past propaganda) its not the evidences of Hamas hijacking the ressources of Unrwa destined to the population.
No.
Technology usually replace jobs with new one of SIMILAR genre. It doesn't change a cameraman into a programmer. Your sentence is at best completely ignorant.
Not really no as millions of people will lose their job and their field of disciplines with no way to get new jobs back. This is not progress, this is thievery.
A way for AI to create new opportunities would be to introduce it in a regulated way SLOWLY into the society. It would let time for society to adapt and for people to teach themself about new tools or to find new way to make money out of their passions.
But here, AI will:
- Rip the jobs opportunities appart
- Steal the work of previous artist/mediaindustry workers
- Prevent them from adapting
- Create a world with a vaccum of unemployment
You need to be BIG TIME IGNORANT to not understand that the job that will be gone first are the jobs that people are going by passion (that will be given to a very few) the jobs that will be left are the other kind.
Now, that's just for the media industry, now you can expect that revolution in all kind of jobs. I could bet that jobs of your entire relatives could be impacted.
See, that's the problem when you see technology for progress just because its technology. Its turns you into a tyrant that only cares about the futures and not the people.
Question: Would you create the bomb that could eradicate our universe if it had a chance to help us understand something about our universe ?
If you are coherent, you will say yes. If you say no, then go back on everything that you said previously.
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Yeah yeah pretend you were playing games while denying to be called a woke and then that you never supported Hamas.
Oh you mean the current aid UN is giving to Gaza? We have a video of the populars talking about it but you also claim as not evidence. So you are lost case on this. But it is funny how everyday comes more and more evidences and you just choose to deny them. But then when it comes to genocide you are the one without any evidence and call the others deniers.
Are you seeing any telephone operator nowadays? The ones our ancestors used to call and ask them to call someone else we desired to talk? There is no job they have being transfered for. Tons of professions were killed by technology not only enhanced by it. The world is stepping to be a REAL free to live world while having enough resources for it without anyone needing to work but you are too ignorant to realize that because you don't even know how economy works.
It is progress. If society doesn't requires a certain job anymore than you find something else just like the jobs that got killed in the past.
AI will mostly benefit humanity. There are much more good stuff that AI is capable of doing than bad stuff. But you rather to remain ignorant and stop billions of lives to be better or even saved by AI because of your unlogical belief that humanity can't adapt.
Oh you mean the current aid UN is giving to Gaza? We have a video of the populars talking about it but you also claim as not evidence. So you are lost case on this. But it is funny how everyday comes more and more evidences and you just choose to deny them. But then when it comes to genocide you are the one without any evidence and call the others deniers.
Are you seeing any telephone operator nowadays? The ones our ancestors used to call and ask them to call someone else we desired to talk? There is no job they have being transfered for. Tons of professions were killed by technology not only enhanced by it. The world is stepping to be a REAL free to live world while having enough resources for it without anyone needing to work but you are too ignorant to realize that because you don't even know how economy works.
It is progress. If society doesn't requires a certain job anymore than you find something else just like the jobs that got killed in the past.
AI will mostly benefit humanity. There are much more good stuff that AI is capable of doing than bad stuff. But you rather to remain ignorant and stop billions of lives to be better or even saved by AI because of your unlogical belief that humanity can't adapt.
Not playing games, I was denying that I was a woke then appropriated the branding to shut your guys's up. Simple leftist tactic, you can't understand that one, sorry.
And no, I never supported the Hamas as an organization, but you support Israel and what Israel is doing.
I prefer to license to international investigations mate. A testimony or a video means not much.
Well, this times we have evidences.. we have literally humanitarian helpers on the ground that are explaining the atrocities and multiples forms of sources to documented the genocide. You are just choosing to deny it.
Actually yes. There are.
Yes transfered OVER TIME during DECADES not in the span of a few years. People have time to adapt and change jobs. When you take the job of a cameraman, what will the cameraman will do ? When you are taking the job of an 3D modelor, what will the 3D modelor will do ?
Plus you are forgotting that the industry I'm talking about is not a simple industry, its an ARTISTIC one, meaning that a LOT of jobs have artistic purpose and therefore humans input in the final project. When you take away human touch, there is NOTHING left. You don't seem to know Sh*t about this industry or any industry that is risking being taken over by AI.
So, EDUCATE yourself and stop promoting job theft.
Not at all no. This is just diving the world into pure capitalist madness. You are delusional.
If you don't integrate AI slowly and ETHICALLY you will just create chaos Einstein.
Who the hell are you to tell what jobs are not required or must not be existing in society ???
Dude, I don't think you understand that if we developp AI, there will most likely NO job for you to apply to and therefore you will most likely be left without ressources. But its seems that its cool for you... sigh
WHAT something else ?? WHY would you even think to tell an artist who loves to draw to "find something else to live of to" you Dawkins caricature !
You would literally be taking away one the FIRST thing that makes us human : Expression of emotions through imagination and creativity and replacing it by creation through thievery and plagiarism. This is pure nonsense.
Yes, in the FAR future, once we understand clearly how to controls its potential derives and unethical usage by humanity, once its completely needed and once we have worked to integrate it SLOWLY into society.
NOT by forcing it upon humanity in the span of less than a decade !
Right now, its not the case. Right now, AI is stealing jobs and its will goes on until its clearly regulated.
Dude, I was thinking and educating myself on ways to make humanity better through the usage of AI and different system of society that you were still learning about human genitalia in schools. You don't understand a YOTA about how AI effect the industry right now and you make visionless claims about society's future, so keep the moral lesson for yourself.
AI is the tools of the future, it must be integrated slowly, not with a punch.
And no, I never supported the Hamas as an organization, but you support Israel and what Israel is doing.
I prefer to license to international investigations mate. A testimony or a video means not much.
Well, this times we have evidences.. we have literally humanitarian helpers on the ground that are explaining the atrocities and multiples forms of sources to documented the genocide. You are just choosing to deny it.
Actually yes. There are.
Yes transfered OVER TIME during DECADES not in the span of a few years. People have time to adapt and change jobs. When you take the job of a cameraman, what will the cameraman will do ? When you are taking the job of an 3D modelor, what will the 3D modelor will do ?
Plus you are forgotting that the industry I'm talking about is not a simple industry, its an ARTISTIC one, meaning that a LOT of jobs have artistic purpose and therefore humans input in the final project. When you take away human touch, there is NOTHING left. You don't seem to know Sh*t about this industry or any industry that is risking being taken over by AI.
So, EDUCATE yourself and stop promoting job theft.
Not at all no. This is just diving the world into pure capitalist madness. You are delusional.
If you don't integrate AI slowly and ETHICALLY you will just create chaos Einstein.
Who the hell are you to tell what jobs are not required or must not be existing in society ???
Dude, I don't think you understand that if we developp AI, there will most likely NO job for you to apply to and therefore you will most likely be left without ressources. But its seems that its cool for you... sigh
WHAT something else ?? WHY would you even think to tell an artist who loves to draw to "find something else to live of to" you Dawkins caricature !
You would literally be taking away one the FIRST thing that makes us human : Expression of emotions through imagination and creativity and replacing it by creation through thievery and plagiarism. This is pure nonsense.
Yes, in the FAR future, once we understand clearly how to controls its potential derives and unethical usage by humanity, once its completely needed and once we have worked to integrate it SLOWLY into society.
NOT by forcing it upon humanity in the span of less than a decade !
Right now, its not the case. Right now, AI is stealing jobs and its will goes on until its clearly regulated.
Dude, I was thinking and educating myself on ways to make humanity better through the usage of AI and different system of society that you were still learning about human genitalia in schools. You don't understand a YOTA about how AI effect the industry right now and you make visionless claims about society's future, so keep the moral lesson for yourself.
AI is the tools of the future, it must be integrated slowly, not with a punch.
https://openai.com/sora ai Video generator. The ideal tool for fake news creation
Yes, that's what I'm referencing.
The tool is amazing technologically, but its like giving a knive to a baby : what could be used ethically to create good dishes will be in reality used to create pure chaos.
When I first talked about AI in this thread, I was only talking about creators, but the problems is much, SOOOO MUCH more alarming... Millions of people (outside of the circle of creators) are about to lose their jobs, thousands and thousands of creators are being stolen by the training tools, dissinformation is about to become the norm, deep fake and revenge porn are about to make thousands of victims and millions of people's identiies are being used to train the AI, the entire system is about to be overrun by pure chaos...
We need regulations now. We are not ready for this technology just yet.
The tool is amazing technologically, but its like giving a knive to a baby : what could be used ethically to create good dishes will be in reality used to create pure chaos.
When I first talked about AI in this thread, I was only talking about creators, but the problems is much, SOOOO MUCH more alarming... Millions of people (outside of the circle of creators) are about to lose their jobs, thousands and thousands of creators are being stolen by the training tools, dissinformation is about to become the norm, deep fake and revenge porn are about to make thousands of victims and millions of people's identiies are being used to train the AI, the entire system is about to be overrun by pure chaos...
We need regulations now. We are not ready for this technology just yet.
1 year, maybe 2 if nothing is done. It will start with videos of pure presentations (to image a subject) then.. we might see real disinformation, I bet that it will start in North Corea/Russia/China and it will slowly spread toward far right news outlets until liberal media are asked to report on AI footage as well..
Someone said that this announcement marked the end of the information era and that we are now in the dissinformation era. I kinda agree. It was already hard for fact checkers, now it will be literal hell.
This will have for effect a complete lack of trust in media of any kind by the public... I don't know how this will play out, but this will not be fun.
Someone said that this announcement marked the end of the information era and that we are now in the dissinformation era. I kinda agree. It was already hard for fact checkers, now it will be literal hell.
This will have for effect a complete lack of trust in media of any kind by the public... I don't know how this will play out, but this will not be fun.
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Didn't worked just like all woke tactic.
And keep denying to support Hamas after so many posts of support to them.
Yet here you are accusing Israel of genocide without any internation investigation on that. Come here take your hypocrisy medal. Double standards right?
Those testimony and videos you said that doesn't mean much? Hmm...
The ones who you call and ask them to connect you to your mom's telephone so you two can talk? No they doesn't exist anymore.
People need to educate themselves when the AI change comes. Production will increase, prices will be lower. Already tons of jobs being created into development area for new AI technologies and even stronger ones. You like all good woke are always against any improvement of humanity to make the world a better place for everyone.
Pure capitalist madness means higher productivity with lower prices making the mere act of living cheaper and more pleasant. What you blame capitalist for it only happens when a strong governament HELPS their friends to overcome the free market competition therefore creating monopoly of certain industries, areas etc. So you blame your own socialist ideology without even realizing and calling it captalism to make yourself feel better with it.
I am the consumer. If I'm not paying for a certain job to exist and no one else is then this job is not required to the society. You are here to defend the maintance of jobs that humanity as a whole doesn't require anymore.
If you are so worried about artists losing spaces to AI. It is simple you and all your woke community don't consume anything related to AI and consume those artists to keep their jobs existing. This is how it works.
If people wants AI, wants to consume AI then they will. If not them they will not. You are the one who wants to dictates what jobs should or not exist and what people should or not consume.
If you can't make a living with your art. Find something else. Very simple and what humankind have being doing through all history. Lots of artists did a bunch of other work until they could make a living with their own artists. People do this all the time. Women works into porn industry, as strippers, showing off their body in TV, social media, onlyfans to afford making something else for themselves and then they quit their old job (or not nothing wrong with that for me). Some succeed some don't.
You are the only one FORCING humanity to not accept AI now. Everyone else wants AI.
Then those people find something else to do.
You are the one who doesn't understand how humanity works and just wants to impose your view of the world over the others without giving a shit about how the benefits AI can bring and more specially not giving a shit about what people want. People's desire will always move the world.
And keep denying to support Hamas after so many posts of support to them.
Yet here you are accusing Israel of genocide without any internation investigation on that. Come here take your hypocrisy medal. Double standards right?
Those testimony and videos you said that doesn't mean much? Hmm...
The ones who you call and ask them to connect you to your mom's telephone so you two can talk? No they doesn't exist anymore.
People need to educate themselves when the AI change comes. Production will increase, prices will be lower. Already tons of jobs being created into development area for new AI technologies and even stronger ones. You like all good woke are always against any improvement of humanity to make the world a better place for everyone.
Pure capitalist madness means higher productivity with lower prices making the mere act of living cheaper and more pleasant. What you blame capitalist for it only happens when a strong governament HELPS their friends to overcome the free market competition therefore creating monopoly of certain industries, areas etc. So you blame your own socialist ideology without even realizing and calling it captalism to make yourself feel better with it.
I am the consumer. If I'm not paying for a certain job to exist and no one else is then this job is not required to the society. You are here to defend the maintance of jobs that humanity as a whole doesn't require anymore.
If you are so worried about artists losing spaces to AI. It is simple you and all your woke community don't consume anything related to AI and consume those artists to keep their jobs existing. This is how it works.
If people wants AI, wants to consume AI then they will. If not them they will not. You are the one who wants to dictates what jobs should or not exist and what people should or not consume.
If you can't make a living with your art. Find something else. Very simple and what humankind have being doing through all history. Lots of artists did a bunch of other work until they could make a living with their own artists. People do this all the time. Women works into porn industry, as strippers, showing off their body in TV, social media, onlyfans to afford making something else for themselves and then they quit their old job (or not nothing wrong with that for me). Some succeed some don't.
You are the only one FORCING humanity to not accept AI now. Everyone else wants AI.
Then those people find something else to do.
You are the one who doesn't understand how humanity works and just wants to impose your view of the world over the others without giving a shit about how the benefits AI can bring and more specially not giving a shit about what people want. People's desire will always move the world.
