General & Others Why did my fellow Zoro fans delude themselves so much about him beating Kizaru this arc?

Sure Yasheen, we'll see by the end of the arc

Just one piece of advice, don't jump on conclusions based on what is happening right now

Read my signature meanwhile
People said that about Zoro “offscreening Lucci” too.

The Zoro vs Kizaru train is at the point where Jinbe vs Jack train was by the end of Onigashima.

Zoros bloodied and beaten up right now and need to end this fight with Lucci. Jinbes coming To make sure Zoro can get to the sunny.

Zoros not going to magically recover his stamina just so he can fight Kizaru. Who’s fighting Luffy and Sanji, and eventually just Luffy.
 
People said that about Zoro “offscreening Lucci” too.

The Zoro vs Kizaru train is at the point where Jinbe vs Jack train was by the end of Onigashima.

Zoros bloodied and beaten up right now and need to end this fight with Lucci. Jinbes coming To make sure Zoro can get to the sunny.

Zoros not going to magically recover his stamina just so he can fight Kizaru. Who’s fighting Luffy and Sanji, and eventually just Luffy.
Sure Yasheen, like I told you, stop jumping to conclusions based on what you see now

I'm sure that if we were back in Wano, you would have thought that Killer was Zoro's main fight

You would have probably thought that Zoro was done after this attack as well and that he wouldn't recover from it

Did you also believe by any chance that King was Sanji's opponent back then?

I don't need to ask you in fact, I got my response. You always jump to conclusions based on what you see in the chapter. You don't see the bigger picture.


https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/sanji-vs-queen-general-thread.2392/page-10#post-778158


https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/sanji-vs-big-mom-pirates.8179/page-2#post-791386
 
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Zoro hasn't even met Kizaru. Oda has avoided any possible interaction between the 2. Even back in sabaondy. Oda didn't have Sanji even react to Lucci stabbing Stussy. While Zoro continues to fight Lucci, told Luffy to leave Lucci to him, and Jimbe is coming to bring him back to the ship.

In comparison, Sanji's been here for the past 15 chapters hearing Saturn's monologue, protecting Bonney from both Kizaru and Saturn, and now is finally getting serious and ready to fight as all the weaker characters leave the battlefield. Sanji promised Bonney to bring back Vegapunk who currently can't be moved.
Sanji is too personally involved in this fight. He's fighting either Kizaru or Saturn.
 
"Escape arc" scenes which you've conveniently left out




Villains lose in arcs bruh, this isnt Sabaody anymore. This is how Kizaru is being treated and portrayed:




Luffy is clearly not running away, irrespective of your mass delusions about what is happening in front of you lol
They are run away but leaving tons of bodies behind.

It's kind of like a mass shooter killing tons of people and leaving the crime scene.
 
Zoros bloodied and beaten up right now and need to end this fight with Lucci. Jinbes coming To make sure Zoro can get to the sunny.
Not saying Zoro will fight Kizaru because atm he is already facing equally good opponent

BUT ZORO RIGHT NOW IS STILL IN BETTER CONDITION THAN ONIGASHIMA SANJI POST BLACK MARIA'S BEATING
DON'T BE BLIND
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Zoro vs Kizaru died the moment he told Lufffy to focus on Kizaru.
When he said this, he didn't know Saturn is in the island yet.
 
Sure Yasheen, like I told you, stop jumping to conclusions based on what you see now

I'm sure that if we were back in Wano, you would have thought that Killer was Zoro's main fight

You would have probably thought that Zoro was done after this attack as well and that he wouldn't recover from it



Did you also believe by any chance that King was Sanji's opponent back then?



I don't need to ask you in fact, I got my response. You always jump to conclusions based on what you see in the chapter. You don't see the bigger picture.


https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/sanji-vs-queen-general-thread.2392/page-10#post-778158


https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/sanji-vs-big-mom-pirates.8179/page-2#post-791386
Yeah and I took the L. But even you know there’s a difference between a fight taking place during the climax of an arc like Zoro vs Lucci currently is, and a clash at the beginning of an arc like Sanji vs King was.

Like how much time do you think we have left in egghead? The arcs almost over
 
Yeah and I took the L. But even you know there’s a difference between a fight taking place during the climax of an arc like Zoro vs Lucci currently is, and a clash at the beginning of an arc like Sanji vs King was.

Like how much time do you think we have left in egghead? The arcs almost over
Enough to take care of Saturn and Kizaru
Bonney has yet to punch Saturn before Luffy defeats him
Jinbe has yet to bring Zoro with the other Straw Hats
The Ancient Robot hasn't done shit yet
Kuma is still frozen

The arc being almost over is in your own head and purely head canon
 
What is my agenda JoNdule?

Narrative analysis and standing for all characters for the narrative that Oda brings in the story?

Luffy will defeat Saturn, there is no denying that, it won't be Bonney/Kuma/Robot like some people pretend and I already explained it in a very detailed manner why and how Luffy will do so. In short, Luffy will defeat Saturn with "Bajrang Stamp" and crush him like a spider/insect/cockroach. Kuma saw Luffy train "Gum Gum Axe" and in Hindu mythology, it is known that Bajrang Bali (Hanuman) stands on Lord Saturn by putting him under his mighty feet to assert dominance. It doesn't only make sense narratively speaking, it is the buildup that Oda is going for -> Saturn is a spider, will be crushed like an insect, with an attack that Kuma saw Luffy train, it even runs in Hindu mythology.

Question now is who is going to defeat Kizaru. You can't have Luffy defeat both Saturn and Kizaru, this is stupid nonsense. Kizaru is Saturn's subordinate. I'm letting you guess who is going after him -> Zoro.

Kizaru already had a confrontation in the past with Benn Beckman and Rayleigh, 2 other Yonko First Mates / Vice Captains, and you are still denying that Zoro is at that level, pathetic.

Why does Kizaru keep fighting with his light sword in Egghead?

This chapter has made it very clear that Luffy will focus on Saturn and that he won't focus on Kizaru. Luffy already landed bigger attacks on Saturn than he ever did on Kizaru and Saturn was still fine. In the same chapter, it was Sanji the one who stopped Kizaru, instead of what admiral fans claimed with their "round 2 against Luffy" nonsense.

Sanji will stall and face Kizaru until Zoro comes back. Sanji will be complimented for his speed by Kizaru. Then, we may have a switch between Zoro and Sanji in their opponents that can clearly be made by Oda in one way or the other.

Egghead will mirror Sabaody:
- Kuma punched Celestial Dragon Saturn / Luffy punched a Celestial Dragon
- Kuma will be freed by warrior of liberation Nika / Luffy was freed by Kuma's hands of liberation
- Luffy will crush Celestial Dragon Saturn like an insect with his foot / Luffy punched a Celestial Dragon
- Sanji will stop Kizaru with his leg / Rayleigh stopped Kizaru with his leg
- Zoro the King of Hell will confront Kizaru with his sword / Rayleigh the Dark King confronted Kizaru with his sword
- Zoro will knock out Kizaru / Kizaru knocked out Zoro in Sabaody

There is no denying that, bring up better arguments if you disagree and stop calling it "agenda" only because it doesn't suit what you want to hear.
Your reasons is flawed since zoro isn't ready to beat top tier 1v1
And his next enemies are people below Admirals in power: shiryu , Mihawk (if he fights him even)

And Oda isn't giving Zoro a win over Kizaru and sanji gets Lucci

In any arc both Sanji and Zoro participated against serious opponents, they fought enemies who were near equals
 
Your reasons is flawed since zoro isn't ready to beat top tier 1v1
And his next enemies are people below Admirals in power: shiryu , Mihawk (if he fights him even)

And Oda isn't giving Zoro a win over Kizaru and sanji gets Lucci

In any arc both Sanji and Zoro participated against serious opponents, they fought enemies who were near equals
Just wait for it then
 
You can’t seriously think Kizaru would’ve been thrashed by Garp and Sengoku like Shiryu was. Or be portrayed weaker than base Kuzan like Shiryu was.
I don't like powerscaling for that

I just don't care but Shiryu can be opponent after Kizaru for multiple reasons and we are expecting from Shiryu to surpass admiral level too so I don't really see the problem in Shiryu coming after Kizaru
 
I don't like powerscaling for that

I just don't care but Shiryu can be opponent after Kizaru for multiple reasons and we are expecting from Shiryu to surpass admiral level too so I don't really see the problem in Shiryu coming after Kizaru
Shiryus not going to be portrayed above admirals after Oda already showed a significant difference between Shiryu and Kuzan this arc.
 
I am hoping for a reverse Sabody scenario. Sanji gets a moment with Kizaru, followed by Zoro, and then Luffy finally defeats him!

How does this scenario work? I don’t know but my dream will never die!
 
I am hoping for a reverse Sabody scenario. Sanji gets a moment with Kizaru, followed by Zoro, and then Luffy finally defeats him!

How does this scenario work? I don’t know but my dream will never die!
Except in Sabaody, Kizaru knocked out Zoro so if you want reverse Sabaody, you know what will happen
 
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