[FNZ] Role Madness Naruto: Chunin Exam

[Ultra]

Feels like you have sat back and done nothing and are swooping in to eat the scraps, essentially. Doesn't strike me as something town you would do. You have all this justification about "oh I'm sheeping you because bloo blah", but here's what I remember from that game in question.

Luka: Uhhh this guy and this guy are OBVIOUS town, and THIS guy is scum

Other player: huh? why do you think that? these aren't consensus reads

Luka: *Refuse to elaborate and tries driving wagons*

 

[Luka]

And to take a step back Luka, in that Olympus game I had you pegged as town fairly quickly for taking aggressive stances on players who were low content slugs and defending your town reads.

Not only have you been soft on most of the low content posters here, you haven't dug your heels in at all and instead have seemed like you don't want to intervene, despite all the objections you are currently having to my play.

I will gladly link you the sign up thread in which I said I'll low post. I would also be fine with voting Jag here, whom you don't really town.

 

[Michelle]

I defended Ultra yday because I don't see why mafia whould play so openly trying to mischop when picking players at night and staying low is so easy here.
It would be an unnecessary effort imo
@Luka

 

[Michelle]

Luka, why Jag and not Red, for eg?
What's your read on YoTanWa?

 

[Luka]

Feels like you have sat back and done nothing and are swooping in to eat the scraps, essentially. Doesn't strike me as something town you would do. You have all this justification about "oh I'm sheeping you because bloo blah", but here's what I remember from that game in question.

Luka: Uhhh this guy and this guy are OBVIOUS town, and THIS guy is scum

Other player: huh? why do you think that? these aren't consensus reads

Luka: *Refuse to elaborate and tries driving wagons*

I've tried to reign in my gameplay after what happened last game.

 

[Luka]

Luka, why Jag and not Red, for eg?
What's your read on YoTanWa?

Red I think is town too given the fact that they're so blatently pushing an obvious town.
Yo Tan felt townie in there catchup posts, but I can't read wall posts for the life of me.

 

[Ultra]

You're not desconstructing my reads though, you're saying that there's a difference check at best between the two which is okay, that doesn't wash away the fact that I don't think either player is playing very genuine. You do not have a point, I said in that post it's a poor argument.

Even if you're not being misleading you're attacking my reads / trying to deconstruct them by virtue of a allignment read stating that two players aren't wolf together, no? Which, I'm sure you can aknowledge, that doesn't inherintly make those players town.

In addition to that, I would like to believe I'm blatently town here based off of meta as well as just play. I never do the things I do as wolf, off of the top of my head I probably claim under presure and never vote you here, I can link games where I defend LHF town in service of pocketing them, even if they do scum read me. Infact, I don't think I can link a game where I don't do that as wolf.

So, from my point of view, you're 1. Pushing a obvious town 2. Have pushed 3 other townies at least in this game and 3. Are responding to my reads in bad faith in order to get me off of them.

I think you were town early on, I think your recent play leaves a lot to be desired, and could potentially be explained by a general lack of engagement, but that's also what I happen to look for as well

Look, you're trying to say I have constructed a false dichotomy or whatever. Word salad aside, if you have a solve with at most one player, and you cannot counter that with a good argument, that makes you look like shit.

Because a town player, upon acknowledging this, should seek themselves to fill the gap. You are more interested in defending your position rather than going "wait uh I ought to keep looking"

From my perspective, I've got a shortlist of like 4-5 players who are barely engaged and hard to read due to lack of said engagement, and that other players have struggled to read as well, and you have easily reconciled these players as all town, apparently. That's imo one of the telltale signs of TMI. Especially from you, who should kinda know better, as opposed to some players here who are noobs and are plausibly just drinking the koolaid that I'm scum because I lead 2 mislynches

 

[Ultra]

Red I think is town too given the fact that they're so blatently pushing an obvious town.
Yo Tan felt townie in there catchup posts, but I can't read wall posts for the life of me.

???

 

[Luka]

think you were town early on, I think your recent play leaves a lot to be desired, and could potentially be explained by a general lack of engagement, but that's also what I happen to look for as well

Look, you're trying to say I have constructed a false dichotomy or whatever. Word salad aside, if you have a solve with at most one player, and you cannot counter that with a good argument, that makes you look like shit.

Because a town player, upon acknowledging this, should seek themselves to fill the gap. You are more interested in defending your position rather than going "wait uh I ought to keep looking"

From my perspective, I've got a shortlist of like 4-5 players who are barely engaged and hard to read due to lack of said engagement, and that other players have struggled to read as well, and you have easily reconciled these players as all town, apparently. That's imo one of the telltale signs of TMI. Especially from you, who should kinda know better, as opposed to some players here who are noobs and are plausibly just drinking the koolaid that I'm scum because I lead 2 mislynches

Currently my solve looks something along the lines of Flower + Jag +1, maybe +2, so I don't think it's at most one player. Granted, Jag is more of a POE addition.

Yes, I am looking towards defending my posiiton, since it's my job as town to make myself obvious. It's your fault if you misread me, it's my job to make myself obvious.

I don't think it comes from TMI when I have valid reasons for each of these reads. In addition to that, you're the one who said that in the prior game I went against consensus reads and pushed them. Here, I'm doing a relatively similar thing.

 

[Ultra]

Wait RDK got copped right

Flower
The Orca
Michelle
Ultra

Jaguark101
Polar Bear
RippedCal

Luka

Red Night
Yo Tan Wa
Indigo
Yoho

@Michelle here you go

Luka try towning those 4 bottom players with reasons that aren't pulled outta your ass please thanks

 

[Luka]

???

I don't think a scum signs a death warrent.

 

[Ultra]

Currently my solve looks something along the lines of Flower + Jag +1, maybe +2, so I don't think it's at most one player. Granted, Jag is more of a POE addition.

Yes, I am looking towards defending my posiiton, since it's my job as town to make myself obvious. It's your fault if you misread me, it's my job to make myself obvious.

I don't think it comes from TMI when I have valid reasons for each of these reads. In addition to that, you're the one who said that in the prior game I went against consensus reads and pushed them. Here, I'm doing a relatively similar thing.

why are you so stuck on Jag in particular

 

[Ultra]

I don't think a scum signs a death warrent.

What obvious town are you referring to here??

 

[Luka]

Luka try towning those 4 bottom players with reasons that aren't pulled outta your ass please thanks

No reason for Yoho.
Indigo last scum game I've played with him he actively tried to appear to be solving, here he's just a dead fish in a sense, more alligned with his town gameplay. I can link that game too if you want, it was the game where they self banned as wolf. One piece from what I can recall.
Red Night chooses to push obvious town Michelle here who's also a consensus read for no reason, I can't see an incentive to just draw so much attention to yourself as wolf by any metric.

Yo Tan I have no reason other than they have some sort of townie entitlement, I think they're being genuine about his thoughts and is pretty townie.

 

[Luka]

why are you so stuck on Jag in particular

They haven't done anything townie.

What obvious town are you referring to here??

Michelle.

 

[Fujishiro]

@indigo has been replaced by @Tyrant MUUGEN​

 

[MUUGEN]

tl;dr would be welcomed, cause I don’t have time to attempt to read back.

 

[Ultra]

They haven't done anything townie.

Michelle.

Why would he think it is suicide to push her?

 

[Ultra]

No reason for Yoho.
Indigo last scum game I've played with him he actively tried to appear to be solving, here he's just a dead fish in a sense, more alligned with his town gameplay. I can link that game too if you want, it was the game where they self banned as wolf. One piece from what I can recall.
Red Night chooses to push obvious town Michelle here who's also a consensus read for no reason, I can't see an incentive to just draw so much attention to yourself as wolf by any metric.

Yo Tan I have no reason other than they have some sort of townie entitlement, I think they're being genuine about his thoughts and is pretty townie.

Indigo is not really that guy as scum form my recollection, I definitely associate his play as more lurking and such, but he's quit as both alignments apparently

 

[Yoho]

tl;dr would be welcomed, cause I don’t have time to attempt to read back.

First 2 days 2 towns got lynched and day 3 there was no Lynch