Controversial General Political Discussion

[Zemmi]

I disagree

Imagine believing free time did not exist and is therefore not natural 🤣 @Zemmi please tell me what you've been smoking when you typed that.

Your understanding of history is limited to the past 200 years of US history.

Please visit some kind of group therapy, mental health facility or w/e and tell these mentally ill people that they are to blame for their own illness. I'm curious to see their reaction

You just twisted every word I said to fit a narrative you created on your own. Not once did I say mental illness didn't exist. You took me saying people allow others to affect their mental health and created that.

Do you think in the last 200 years people didn't have to work their asses off just to survive? Growing their food and making their things? My great grand-mother had to work with a baby on her hip in a field, just so her family could eat. There wasn't much room to help others when you would suffer for it. I could go into why that generation and the one before it had multiple kids because it was the only way to survive, but I would be here all day. Therefore, no, free time wasn't always a thing and something a person was born with. You could find outliers in the past of wealthy people, sure, but it wasn't a normal thing like it is for us today.

People do not have to work like they did only because of innovations to make work easier for people to where, people don't have to work from daylight to dark just to meet their bare needs.

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Also I'm proud to say I have lived mostly an alcohol and drug-free life and have smoked nothing. My skin thanks me.

 

[Ravagerblade]

I'd still say Mental Illness and Mental Disorders can be separate issues. But of course they're mostly all uncontrolled.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Not once did I say mental illness didn't exist.

I didn't claim that you said mental illness doesn't exist. You just twisted every word I said to fit a narrative you created on your own. You said it's their own fault.

Do you think in the last 200 years

My bunny STOP.
You just twisted every word I said to fit a narrative you created on your own. I said the past 200 years of US history is all history you seem to know about. Your little anecdote proves what I said.

Also I'm proud to say I have lived mostly an alcohol and drug-free life and have smoked nothing. My skin thanks me.

It's sad that NOT being a substance abuser is seen as an accomplishment these days. What do you think is responsible for the substance abuse crisis?

 

[Zemmi]

I'd still say Mental Illness and Mental Disorders can be separate issues. But of course they're mostly all uncontrolled.

I am a big advocate for mental health. I would never suggest it wasn't a thing. I'm sure in this thread I have spoken out that I believe one of the biggest issues in the US is mental health care.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I am a big advocate for mental health. I would never suggest it wasn't a thing. I'm sure in this thread I have spoken out that I believe one of the biggest issues in the US is mental health care.

How do you suggest the mental health crisis be solved?

 

[Ravagerblade]

I am a big advocate for mental health. I would never suggest it wasn't a thing. I'm sure in this thread I have spoken out that I believe one of the biggest issues in the US is mental health care.

Most definitely. The US has a huge Mental Illness/Mental Disorder crisis going on and it needs addressing. Actual Changes and Actual Healing. Not for the "Muh Profit" margins.

 

[Zemmi]

I didn't claim that you said mental illness doesn't exist. You just twisted every word I said to fit a narrative you created on your own. You said it's their own fault.

My bunny STOP.
You just twisted every word I said to fit a narrative you created on your own. I said the past 200 years of US history is all history you seem to know about. Your little anecdote proves what I said.

It's sad that NOT being a substance abuser is seen as an accomplishment these days. What do you think is responsible for the substance abuse crisis?

There are lots of factors that contribute to substance abuse. I can only accredit my lack of it to my mother and father, who created an environment that made me capable of never turning to it.

 

[Daniel]

That's not why people develop ADHD.

An immediately noticeable symptom of ADHD in kids would be inattention and impulsivity (hyperactivity could be a symptom as well), which manifests by certain kids having a difficult time concentrating on a specific task, or even "hyperfocusing" on a certain activity. This leads them to pretty much ignore any other task(s) that may be equally important.

Additionally, they might struggle with following instructions as well as being able to stay organized, which can impact their academic performance and social interactions with others. Engaging in activities that don't require the kid to focus for extended periods of time, such as watching videos instead of practicing the ability to read a decently sized chunk of text, fails to train the brain on how to focus effectively. While parents can have their child diagnosed and treated with medication, more often than not, training to deal with the downsides of having such a condition is the only viable solution for the kid.

Tl;dr: That absurdly short attention span of someone with ADHD will have to be trained somehow.

 

[Zemmi]

How do you suggest the mental health crisis be solved?

If I knew an answer, I would tell you what that was. I just know I hate seeing people suffer from it and am tired of burying friends to it.

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Most definitely. The US has a huge Mental Illness/Mental Disorder crisis going on and it needs addressing. Actual Changes and Actual Healing. Not for the "Muh Profit" margins.

I think big pharma plays a part in the problem. The creators of the opioid crisis.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

An immediately noticeable symptom of ADHD in kids would be inattention and impulsivity (hyperactivity could be a symptom as well), which manifests by certain kids having a difficult time concentrating on a specific task, or even "hyperfocusing" on a certain activity. This leads them to pretty much ignore any other task(s) that may be equally important.

Additionally, they might struggle with following instructions as well as being able to stay organized, which can impact their academic performance and social interactions with others. Engaging in activities that don't require the kid to focus for extended periods of time, such as watching videos instead of practicing the ability to read a decently sized chunk of text, fails to train the brain on how to focus effectively. While parents can have their child diagnosed and treated with medication, more often than not, training to deal with the downsides of having such a condition is the only viable solution for the kid.

ADHD meds are dangerous and no real solution

 

[Ravagerblade]

When I was younger I was diagnosed with ADHD. Took the med's and years later. I definitely do not have it now.

 

[Zemmi]

You know the saddest part of these discussions. We all agree on so much, but most people feel like they have to fall in line with the narrative their side says, despite what they truly believe.

We all want affordable health care. We all want livable lives for everyone. The list goes on and on.

Most people obligation to their side prevents meaningful change. That is why I only support ideas that I agree with and not those from a "side"

The answers are somewhere in the middle, but each side wants their extreme sides. I often wonder if this is by design.

 

[Ravagerblade]

You know the saddest part of these discussions. We all agree on so much, but most people feel like they have to fall in line with the narrative their side says, despite what they truly believe.

We all want affordable health care. We all want livable lives for everyone. The list goes on and on.

Most people obligation to their side prevents meaningful change. That is why I only support ideas that I agree with and not those from a "side"

The answers are somewhere in the middle, but each side wants their extreme sides. I often wonder if this is by design.

Probably because of differing Social issues etc... Somethings, like you said most people probably share sentiments but in other area's we do not.

 

[Zemmi]

When I was younger I was diagnosed with ADHD. Took the med's and years later. I definitely do not have it now.

I was too.

I wonder if I still do, or if the new age of never facing being bored created it. I once could tolerate silence time with nothing to do. I'm a rural American growing up, they didn't offer internet where I lived. Now I find myself having to have something constantly going on and not just one thing, but multiple things which makes it hard for me to focus on a single task.

 

[Daniel]

ADHD meds are dangerous and no real solution

Which makes therapy and managing the challenges of having such a condition the solution for the majority of those with the disorder...except that a lifestyle that focuses on instant gratification + watching these youtube short vids that are under 1 minute long as an actual hobby only encourages the mind to have its attention span become shorter and shorter.

Heck, the retention rate of a Youtube video that's around 5 minutes long (give or take a minute or two) is around what, less than 50%?

 

[Logiko]

You realize just because you call someone a bigot that doesn't mean it's true.

I know. Sadly, that's mostly the case when I do it.

No, the leftist didn't do crap to change things.

I guess you have a lot of things yet to learn.

There used to not be free time because if you had free time you would die. You couldn't just run to the store and buy food or even clothes. You had to do it all. The idea is a lot more modern than you think. Innovations from those people who worked hard created it. That is how far removed the generation is.

they did only because of innovations

No mate. Progress like that doesn't come because of technology or innovation. Progress like that comes because there are people who fights for worker's rights.

We could live in a world filled with AI and robots all over the place and still be overworked if people didn't fight to reduce work hours or improve worker's rights.

No we aren't all strong generations.

Yes we are. All generations are strong in their own way. There is again...

I disagree

.. no such thing as weak humans

When you cry and get offended over words, you aren't a strong generation. Words are just words, which go back to my complaint about part of my generation.

Words can heal
Words can horrify
Words can puzzle
Words can joke
&
Words can kill

The reason why I sometimes rise up against words is not because I'm not strong. Its because I know the power of words.

You words on the other hands, are showing me that you still have a lot to learn.

Also you call yourself a feminist

Wrong. I'm not a feminist. I have no rights to call myself a feminist. I'm a simple leftist who tries to help as he can.

since by historical facts when they are put against XY they cannot win in most situations

What historical facts? Do you have clear scientific and sociological studies showing that trans people are necessaraly better than Cis people in their own gender categories or are you just projecting here ?

I'll wait for your studies patiently here. And then, we will have a talk about your moral panic.

This goes back to why I really dislike white saviors. Which they are also the reason

Oh, I remember now !! You are that conservative Mom that was explaining me why there was no systemic racism in society and why liberal schools were all but victimizing kids of color, right ?

I'm reassured, I thought that I was facing a new bigot here...

Therefore, no, free time wasn't always a thing and something a person was born with.

Actually, when you are born in the upper classes of society, no matter the period, you have freetime.
Freetime now exist for popular/worker classes also because people fought for have more rights.

An immediately noticeable symptom of ADHD in kids would be inattention and impulsivity (hyperactivity could be a symptom as well), which manifests by certain kids having a difficult time concentrating on a specific task, or even "hyperfocusing" on a certain activity. This leads them to pretty much ignore any other task(s) that may be equally important.

Yes, those are the symptoms, not the causes.

Additionally, they might struggle with following instructions as well as being able to stay organized, which can impact their academic performance and social interactions with others.

Indeed. Again, symptoms.

Engaging in activities that don't require the kid to focus for extended periods of time, such as watching videos instead of practicing the ability to read a decently sized chunk of text, fails to train the brain on how to focus effectively.

Interesting ! Do you have studies explaining that ?

But again, those are not the causes of ADHD.

We all want affordable health care.

I do not need to want it. I have it

#FrenchTrolololo

Most people obligation to their side prevents meaningful change

No, only one side prevents meaningfull changes: the right side.

The answers are somewhere in the middle,

Nop. They are on the left side and in science.

And they are all accessible to everyone. All you need to do, is understand them.

but each side wants their extreme sides. I often wonder if this is by design.

Not really no. One side is simply fighting against the hegemony and bigotry of the other. Each side are not equal.

And most importantly, there is no such thing as truth on both side in politics.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Which makes therapy and managing the challenges of having such a condition the solution for the majority of those with the disorder...except that a lifestyle that focuses on instant gratification + watching these youtube short vids that are under 1 minute long as an actual hobby only encourages the mind to have its attention span become shorter and shorter.

Heck, the retention rate of a Youtube video that's around 5 minutes long (give or take a minute or two) is around what, less than 50%?

bruh i dont usually watch youtube shorts but i did once a few weeks ago. Ended up wasting 3 hrs on max 1 minute long nonsense videos that start autoplaying befire you even notice it, it leaves you no time to even process what you even saw before tge next one starts. And each video had obnoxious, very loud music which made everything feel even more hectic. I understand parents who ban their kids from having internet access. The digital dementia crisis has been predicted over 10 years ago, I saw an article about it pinned on the (physical offline) pinboard in the waiting area of my graduation prep classes. This was around the time when that smartphone craze was in its baby shoes, and look where we are now.

I guess you have a lot of things yet to learn.

Like I said, average American centric understanding of history.

I do not need to want it. I have it

#FrenchTrolololo

I don't and I live in Lermany. Free health care is a scam.

 

[Logiko]

Free health care is a scam.

I don't know about Germany, but come in France, if there is one thing we can be proud of is our health care system and or green "vital card"

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I don't know about Germany, but come in France, if there is one thing we can be proud of is our health care system and or green "vital card"

Cancer is an easily diagnosable illness with available standard treatments. You can't compare it to anything more complex. And this is where basic healthcare fails. It saves ppl from dying and nothing more. I'll leave it at this and end this conversation before I get so angry that I feel the desire to physically attack human beings.

 

[Logiko]

It saves ppl from dying and nothing more.

Well yeah.. we can't cure all diseases. Sadly medicine isn't that powerfull just yet