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The strongest swordsman of all time ought to be someone from Wano . But yeah we will see where it all goes.
I think he will be portrayed better than Saturn & ofcourse being a Gorosei , he automatically has end game vibes.
Bald Gorosei has a sword & so of all the 5 Gorosei , i think he would be the hardest to even land a hit on (In fact it would be inexcusable especially for him to get hit by Luffy because he is the only Gorosei who explicitly carries a weapon... which ought to give him better defense stats potential than the other Gorosei.)
But yeah we will find this out pretty soon. Lore Drop being postponed isn't annoying to me because we are about to get these Top tier fights undoubtedly.
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I think he will be portrayed better than Saturn & ofcourse being a Gorosei , he automatically has end game vibes.
Bald Gorosei has a sword & so of all the 5 Gorosei , i think he would be the hardest to even land a hit on (In fact it would be inexcusable especially for him to get hit by Luffy because he is the only Gorosei who explicitly carries a weapon... which ought to give him better defense stats potential than the other Gorosei.)
But yeah we will find this out pretty soon. Lore Drop being postponed isn't annoying to me because we are about to get these Top tier fights undoubtedly.
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Zoro is not from Wano, Mihawk is hinted to have an interesting backstory. Yoru > Shusui and I think in a fight between Mihawk and Ryuma it will actually come down to the stronger blade (Yoru) deciding the victor. Of course we have to learn how Black Blades are forged but since both did it and Yoru is stronger then it is easier to bet on Mihawk.
And it doesn't make sense for Zoro to become the strongest in history without actually defeating the previous strongest, otherwise his victory and claim will always have that asterisk. So either it should be Mihawk equal to Ryuma which means beating Mihawk also ensures that Zoro would also beat Ryuma or that Mihawk is stronger than Ryuma and beating him automatically makes Zoro stronger than Ryuma. No other feat, I repeat no other will be able establish this unless Zoro travels to the past and beats Ryuma.
As for the Gorosei being from Ryuma's time, I think that is unlikely since they said that the Nika devil fruit is legend even to them.
And it doesn't make sense for Zoro to become the strongest in history without actually defeating the previous strongest, otherwise his victory and claim will always have that asterisk. So either it should be Mihawk equal to Ryuma which means beating Mihawk also ensures that Zoro would also beat Ryuma or that Mihawk is stronger than Ryuma and beating him automatically makes Zoro stronger than Ryuma. No other feat, I repeat no other will be able establish this unless Zoro travels to the past and beats Ryuma.
As for the Gorosei being from Ryuma's time, I think that is unlikely since they said that the Nika devil fruit is legend even to them.
Wait, why exactly does him performing better than Saturn mean he’s Stronger than mihawk?
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You haven’t actually explained how Zoro would surpass Ryuma in your post.
like why would beating Gorosei or Garling mean he has surpassed Ryuma?
we know for a fact that Gorosei guy never defeated Ryuma because Ryuma is stated to have never lost a fight
so you keep saying “Zoro must surpass Ryuma” but you seemingly can’t find how Zoro would even do that
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@Windfall Island
You haven’t actually explained how Zoro would surpass Ryuma in your post.
like why would beating Gorosei or Garling mean he has surpassed Ryuma?
we know for a fact that Gorosei guy never defeated Ryuma because Ryuma is stated to have never lost a fight
so you keep saying “Zoro must surpass Ryuma” but you seemingly can’t find how Zoro would even do that
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This is the dumbest bet thread ever.
@Konstantis how will we know that that Gorosei is the actual WSS???
@Konstantis how will we know that that Gorosei is the actual WSS???
1) I did. Let me repeat.
Zoro beats Mihawk before the Final war & gets the WSS title. No doubt. And might as well make 1 of his blade black.
Then going into the
Final War Zoro vs 1) Final Adult Version of S-Hawk (which in theory has a great likelihood of surpassing Mihawk).
So the very first opponent ^^ in the final war could possibly be stronger than Miahwk.
Ofcourse Zoro beats S Hawk but in the process Zoro is now say injured , drained out in both stamina & haki.
But nevertheless , the Final War continues & this low HP Zoro still has to beat Garling & Ghandi Gorosei & turns the remaining 2 of swords into black blades as well.
Therefore EOS Zoro defeating the above 3 opponents in a row , will without a doubt make him the strongest swordsman of all time.
The Gandhi Gorosei possibly having lived for centuries might have lived through Ryuma's era & obviously was weaker than Ryuma but he could end up commenting that Zoro's feats now surpass even Ryuma's peak feats.
2) Another possibility , can Final version Adult S Hawk also have eaten Jozu's Diamond df after it or anyone else kills Jozu. If seraphim can consume a DF like that then that would tick off another anticipated Zoro feat of being able to cut even diamonds. Along with other anticipated feats like having 3 black blades. Just a thought.
Zoro beats Mihawk before the Final war & gets the WSS title. No doubt. And might as well make 1 of his blade black.
Then going into the
Final War Zoro vs 1) Final Adult Version of S-Hawk (which in theory has a great likelihood of surpassing Mihawk).
So the very first opponent ^^ in the final war could possibly be stronger than Miahwk.
Ofcourse Zoro beats S Hawk but in the process Zoro is now say injured , drained out in both stamina & haki.
But nevertheless , the Final War continues & this low HP Zoro still has to beat Garling & Ghandi Gorosei & turns the remaining 2 of swords into black blades as well.
Therefore EOS Zoro defeating the above 3 opponents in a row , will without a doubt make him the strongest swordsman of all time.
The Gandhi Gorosei possibly having lived for centuries might have lived through Ryuma's era & obviously was weaker than Ryuma but he could end up commenting that Zoro's feats now surpass even Ryuma's peak feats.
2) Another possibility , can Final version Adult S Hawk also have eaten Jozu's Diamond df after it or anyone else kills Jozu. If seraphim can consume a DF like that then that would tick off another anticipated Zoro feat of being able to cut even diamonds. Along with other anticipated feats like having 3 black blades. Just a thought.
But then what is the feat he’s talking about?
According to you the best thing Zoro will ever do in this series is beat the Gorosei guy,.. that’s peak Zoro > Gorosei… but then if it’s also true that Ryuma > Gorosei, then this says nothing about Zoro and Ryuma
at best you’d have to say Zoro ~ Ryuma but that is only possible to say if you are sure the gap between them and the Gorosei guy is about the same… basically you’d have to say that Ryuma had a full on EXTREME DIFF fight with the Gorosei guy hundreds of years ago and Ryuma won and Zoro too now has had a similar extreme diff fight with the Gorosei guy and also won
So… again that says nothing about Zoro surpassing Ryuma… It just gives Zoro a feat similar to Ryuma… that’s it
unless you want to make the argument that Gorosei ghandi in the last hundreds of years has trained since ryuma’s death to surpass him which is fine, it’s like how most people scale Current day Kaido > 20 years ago Kaido that got stomped by Oden…
that’s fine except it also then opens up the problems regarding “hundreds of years of training”… Like how do you even starts scaling that? Shouldn’t Gorosei ghandi be a fucking monster after “hundreds of years of training”… I mean at that point he should be able to low diff Ryuma or something… Why would he have “hundreds of years of training” and only be like one tier above Ryuma… And if Gorosei ghandi can low diff Ryuma then that means he’s either extremely more powerful than a lot of current day characters like way more powerful than a Yonko (which is unlikely) or Ryuma was just much weaker than we actually though he was that a person who had “hundreds of years of training” to greatly surpass Ryuma is still very weak
anyway the elephant in the room regarding all this will always be Luffy and Rayleigh… their power levels will determine EoS Zoro’s power level… EoS Zoro cannot be close to EoS Luffy’s power level or else it would undermine the Nika wank… And EoS Zoro is set to be at best one tier above Rayleigh since EoS Luffy will also be like one tier above Roger
Whoever you think Zoro is going to fight before or after mihawk, how strong their are, how strong Ryuma is supposed to be relative to EoS Zoro, all of that will be entirely dictated by how strong Luffy is because that’s where Oda starts from when power scaling the universe
According to you the best thing Zoro will ever do in this series is beat the Gorosei guy,.. that’s peak Zoro > Gorosei… but then if it’s also true that Ryuma > Gorosei, then this says nothing about Zoro and Ryuma
at best you’d have to say Zoro ~ Ryuma but that is only possible to say if you are sure the gap between them and the Gorosei guy is about the same… basically you’d have to say that Ryuma had a full on EXTREME DIFF fight with the Gorosei guy hundreds of years ago and Ryuma won and Zoro too now has had a similar extreme diff fight with the Gorosei guy and also won
So… again that says nothing about Zoro surpassing Ryuma… It just gives Zoro a feat similar to Ryuma… that’s it
unless you want to make the argument that Gorosei ghandi in the last hundreds of years has trained since ryuma’s death to surpass him which is fine, it’s like how most people scale Current day Kaido > 20 years ago Kaido that got stomped by Oden…
that’s fine except it also then opens up the problems regarding “hundreds of years of training”… Like how do you even starts scaling that? Shouldn’t Gorosei ghandi be a fucking monster after “hundreds of years of training”… I mean at that point he should be able to low diff Ryuma or something… Why would he have “hundreds of years of training” and only be like one tier above Ryuma… And if Gorosei ghandi can low diff Ryuma then that means he’s either extremely more powerful than a lot of current day characters like way more powerful than a Yonko (which is unlikely) or Ryuma was just much weaker than we actually though he was that a person who had “hundreds of years of training” to greatly surpass Ryuma is still very weak
anyway the elephant in the room regarding all this will always be Luffy and Rayleigh… their power levels will determine EoS Zoro’s power level… EoS Zoro cannot be close to EoS Luffy’s power level or else it would undermine the Nika wank… And EoS Zoro is set to be at best one tier above Rayleigh since EoS Luffy will also be like one tier above Roger
Whoever you think Zoro is going to fight before or after mihawk, how strong their are, how strong Ryuma is supposed to be relative to EoS Zoro, all of that will be entirely dictated by how strong Luffy is because that’s where Oda starts from when power scaling the universe
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But giants are limited by their own biology. We saw Hajrudin in Big mom’s flashback as little kid who visually looked like he could be about as old as Big mom yet he was like 20 years old… As in 20 year old Hajrudin as a Giant looked the maturity level of 6 year old Big mom
so giant’s live a long time but they at least still have biological clocks that naturally regulate their strength despite their long lives
the Gorosei being ageless immortals don’t have a such a limitation
Yea I agree that Oda should just say “the Gorosei have had the same power level for the hundreds of years they’ve been alive for no reason than plot”… that SHOULD BE what Oda says but if he introduces the idea that they’ve been capable of training to get stronger this entire time then we officially have a problem… now Oda has to give a reason they aren’t busted beyond belief because as far as we can tell biology is the one and only limit to infinite growth in this verse… Prime Whitebeard and Roger were never stated to have reached the peak of their possible power in the verse… they were simply stated to have naturally deteriorated from age and disease
so giant’s live a long time but they at least still have biological clocks that naturally regulate their strength despite their long lives
the Gorosei being ageless immortals don’t have a such a limitation
Yea I agree that Oda should just say “the Gorosei have had the same power level for the hundreds of years they’ve been alive for no reason than plot”… that SHOULD BE what Oda says but if he introduces the idea that they’ve been capable of training to get stronger this entire time then we officially have a problem… now Oda has to give a reason they aren’t busted beyond belief because as far as we can tell biology is the one and only limit to infinite growth in this verse… Prime Whitebeard and Roger were never stated to have reached the peak of their possible power in the verse… they were simply stated to have naturally deteriorated from age and disease
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