Big Mom is clashing physically by taking in the pain given by Damned punk, resisting and producing Haki clash..
Big Mom here clashing with herself and her repressed memories by haviing a mental breakdown..
It doesn't have to be physical for there to be a Haki clash, it can be pyschological..
Big Mom here clashing with herself and her repressed memories by haviing a mental breakdown..
It doesn't have to be physical for there to be a Haki clash, it can be pyschological..
Psychological or Physically a Clash is when 2 sides participate.
So whatever Big Mom did is not called a CLASH instead its called a "RELEASE" "Burst" "Wave" "Force" because its 1 sided which will result in an impact of said thing.
What Zoro did was cut and what we saw is an impact of his attack there no way around that.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no
"Lucci endure the pain which clashed with Zoro's attack" That not participating in the attack.
A Clash means both participate/engage in the attack which will result in a Clash which it didn't happen
Lucci attacked then Zoro Matrixed him and cut him with Haki trails that scares you. So since Lucci didn't attack then there is only an impact of 1 side that is Zoro Haki Lightning trails
Try again
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/clash
"Lucci endure the pain which clashed with Zoro's attack" That not participating in the attack.
A Clash means both participate/engage in the attack which will result in a Clash which it didn't happen
Lucci attacked then Zoro Matrixed him and cut him with Haki trails that scares you. So since Lucci didn't attack then there is only an impact of 1 side that is Zoro Haki Lightning trails
Try again
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/clash
What do you mean.. Lucci is psychologically resisting the attack while receiving damage.. I told you it's the same thing as Damned Punk attacking Big Mom..
It's not Zoro's haki trails, it's all around Lucci dispersing..
Manga is based, you're biased.. Thinking your own interpretation as manga facts is very dangerous way of thinking..
And it's not the same.. CoA barrier and CoA hardening on a Sword are not alike at all..
It's not Zoro's haki trails, it's all around Lucci dispersing..
Manga is based, you're biased.. Thinking your own interpretation as manga facts is very dangerous way of thinking..
And it's not the same.. CoA barrier and CoA hardening on a Sword are not alike at all..
Guess what? Even if somehow that is true its still not a clash because how is he clashing with Zoro here? The Damned Punk and Big Mom is not a clash too its Big Mom desperate way of retaliating which did her no good.
Lucci was dispersing alright .. Blood that is
The Haki trails are Zoro's only because there was no clash with Lucci. The funny thing is their whole fight was clash until this moment
So no sadly no Big Mom Damned Punk no Psychological resistant that won't cause a clash
Try again give me something new and funny stop repeating your failed argument here
Lucci was dispersing alright .. Blood that is
The Haki trails are Zoro's only because there was no clash with Lucci. The funny thing is their whole fight was clash until this moment
So no sadly no Big Mom Damned Punk no Psychological resistant that won't cause a clash
Try again give me something new and funny stop repeating your failed argument here
It's not CoA barrier, using haki on sword or fist touch the entire body of what you block or deflect.. Like Logias you touch their whole body..
Coating your own body and object is a different process, that's why Hyogoro couldn't teach Internal Destruction to Luffy..
I read it more than any of y'all..
I told you Hyogoro doesn't consider himself a Samurai and he's speaking generally of the Samurai in Wano.. Again you're interpreting in your own way what you're reading..
Clashing by simply resisting the damage the best Lucci can..
What you mean there were lightning trails from every direction at the point of impact where Lucci was cut.. With blood obviously..
You saying no to my points doesn't invalid them.. You're not in control here..
Coating your own body and object is a different process, that's why Hyogoro couldn't teach Internal Destruction to Luffy..
I read it more than any of y'all..
I told you Hyogoro doesn't consider himself a Samurai and he's speaking generally of the Samurai in Wano.. Again you're interpreting in your own way what you're reading..
Guess what? Even if somehow that is true its still not a clash because how is he clashing with Zoro here? The Damned Punk and Big Mom is not a clash too its Big Mom desperate way of retaliating which did her no good.
Lucci was dispersing alright .. Blood that is
The Haki trails are Zoro's only because there was no clash with Lucci. The funny thing is their whole fight was clash until this moment
So no sadly no Big Mom Damned Punk no Psychological resistant that won't cause a clash
Try again give me something new and funny stop repeating your failed argument here
Lucci was dispersing alright .. Blood that is
The Haki trails are Zoro's only because there was no clash with Lucci. The funny thing is their whole fight was clash until this moment
So no sadly no Big Mom Damned Punk no Psychological resistant that won't cause a clash
Try again give me something new and funny stop repeating your failed argument here
What you mean there were lightning trails from every direction at the point of impact where Lucci was cut.. With blood obviously..
You saying no to my points doesn't invalid them.. You're not in control here..
Resisting is not clashing just stop
Finally you agree its an impact "where" Lucci was cut and the trails came from that "impact" which was Zoro's
I am saying No to them because they are "invalid" what you are saying here is false. I don't control what you say.
And you are a hypocrite You want me to believe in your bullshit which has no backbone behind them only lies fueled by agenda 
You yourself said it that the trails are from the impact from where Lucci was cut so its Zoro's
Try again
Finally you agree its an impact "where" Lucci was cut and the trails came from that "impact" which was Zoro'sI am saying No to them because they are "invalid" what you are saying here is false. I don't control what you say.
And you are a hypocrite
You want me to believe in your bullshit which has no backbone behind them only lies fueled by agenda You yourself said it that the trails are from the impact from where Lucci was cut so its Zoro's
Try again
Resisting is not clashing just stop
Different rules apply for Haki clash, haki is not only physical is mental too..
Finally you agree its an impact "where" Lucci was cut and the trails came from that "impact" which was Zoro's
I am saying No to them because they are "invalid" what you are saying here is false. I don't control what you say.
And you are a hypocrite You want me to believe in your bullshit which was no backbone behind them only lies fueled by agenda
You yourself said it that the trails are from the impact from where Lucci was cut so its Zoro's
Try again
And you are a hypocrite
You want me to believe in your bullshit which was no backbone behind them only lies fueled by agenda You yourself said it that the trails are from the impact from where Lucci was cut so its Zoro's
Try again
What agenda, i'm trying to explain what happened.. CoA Haki clash..
It's not CoA barrier, using haki on sword or fist touch the entire body of what you block or deflect.. Like Logias you touch their whole body..
Coating your own body and object is a different process, that's why Hyogoro couldn't teach Internal Destruction to Luffy..
I read it more than any of y'all..
Coating your own body and object is a different process, that's why Hyogoro couldn't teach Internal Destruction to Luffy..
I read it more than any of y'all..
We have seen how Zoro initially covered his fists before his swords. Even Zoro himself claims that he used CoA to withstand King's explosion.
Even Pica, for example, covers his body and armor. Is the same.
Furthermore, Hyogoro did teach internal destruction to Luffy, at least the basic level which is when the attack does not touch the enemy. Like Alpacaman.
There is no such thing as releasing in a form of Clash. Its either Release to clash or get overwhelmed. In this case Lucci did nothing and wasn't fast enough to react to Zoro
These Rules are invented by you there is nothing to suggest whatever you are saying here hence why i am saying "No".
Zoro only. Lucci reaction was nowhere to be seen his body stood up from the impact of the attack just like every other guy Zoro cut before him. There are no movement here.
No They are invalid not because i am saying they are invalid. They are invalid because its bullshit that has no proof to back it up.
My explanation is simple.
Lucci was attacking - Then Zoro did a matrix dodge - Lucci saw that Zoro is ready to cut him - Lucci was not fast enough to stop his attack to counter Zoro - Zoro just cut in the middle of Lucci spamming his attack - The attack was so strong it caused haki trails from Zoro and blood came out from Lucci and his eyes were white - Lucci is shown with white eyes.
Zoro blitzed Lucci mid attack and attacked him so hard it caused haki trails going around From Zoro's Swords coated Haki.
Try again
These Rules are invented by you there is nothing to suggest whatever you are saying here hence why i am saying "No".
Zoro only. Lucci reaction was nowhere to be seen his body stood up from the impact of the attack just like every other guy Zoro cut before him. There are no movement here.
No They are invalid not because i am saying they are invalid. They are invalid because its bullshit that has no proof to back it up.
My explanation is simple.
Lucci was attacking - Then Zoro did a matrix dodge - Lucci saw that Zoro is ready to cut him - Lucci was not fast enough to stop his attack to counter Zoro - Zoro just cut in the middle of Lucci spamming his attack - The attack was so strong it caused haki trails from Zoro and blood came out from Lucci and his eyes were white - Lucci is shown with white eyes.
Zoro blitzed Lucci mid attack and attacked him so hard it caused haki trails going around From Zoro's Swords coated Haki.
Try again
Show me where it says the contrary as well, where covering CoA on an object is the same as covering your body with it..
So?.. Zoro used Hardening on his Swords to protect against the explosion, nothing new..
I don't think Pica covered his armor, only his body..
Hyogoro didn't teach internal destruction to Luffy he couldn't, he thought him CoA Barrier.. You're confusing things..
And what if someone endure the attack?.. Lucci didn't do nothing he survived the attack!.. He tanked the damage, that's why there was Haki clash.. Keep in mind that Zoro is a CoC user now too and CoA Lightning flows through CoC as shown with Doflamingo and Luffy's clash..
The Haki rules is physical and mental, you can't look at a Haki clash strictly physically..
Zoro and Lucci.. Lucci's reaction manifested by the Haki trails, there would have been no haki clash in the first place if Lucci didn't react to the damage..
'' Matrix dodge '', more like Zoro's plot armor.. Here's another moment where Zoro's plot armor was involved, Kaido let Zoro cut him so there was no Haki Clash contrary to the 4 Scabbards vs Kaido..
So?.. Zoro used Hardening on his Swords to protect against the explosion, nothing new..
I don't think Pica covered his armor, only his body..
Hyogoro didn't teach internal destruction to Luffy he couldn't, he thought him CoA Barrier.. You're confusing things..
And what if someone endure the attack?.. Lucci didn't do nothing he survived the attack!.. He tanked the damage, that's why there was Haki clash.. Keep in mind that Zoro is a CoC user now too and CoA Lightning flows through CoC as shown with Doflamingo and Luffy's clash..
The Haki rules is physical and mental, you can't look at a Haki clash strictly physically..
Zoro and Lucci.. Lucci's reaction manifested by the Haki trails, there would have been no haki clash in the first place if Lucci didn't react to the damage..
'' Matrix dodge '', more like Zoro's plot armor.. Here's another moment where Zoro's plot armor was involved, Kaido let Zoro cut him so there was no Haki Clash contrary to the 4 Scabbards vs Kaido..
So as always and it was expected Zoro is the true protagonist of the series leading to the greatests and more polemics debates.
This time making his haters to bite the pillow hard while crying he possibly (not confirmed) one shotted Lucci (although 3 swords can count as 3 attacks was only one named attack). And this allows us to compare him with Luffy that possibly (controversial) KOed Lucci with 3 CoCless attacks. And that's exactly where the polemics starts because we can have 2 scenarios here.
First scenario:
It was a CoC coated attack and that makes Zoro 1 CoC coated AP attack >= Nika 1/3 CoCless coated AP attack
Second scenario:
It wasn't a CoC coated attack and that makes Zoro 1 CoCless coated AP attack >= Nika 1/3 CoCless coated AP attack
So in first scenario we could say that Zoro needs ACoC to keep up with CoCless Nika. In the second we could say that he doesn't need. Either way this already puts Zoro much closer to Nika than some of his delusional haters used to claim.
But now let's go to the main topic. It was CoC coating?
First of all we need to know how to identify a CoC coating attack. We only learned about it at chapter 1010 when Luffy explains us.
That's the first mention of this technique in a time we used to believe CoC was useless in a fight against strong individuals.
And then we see Luffy using this technique
And to help us understand a little further we have Luffy's cheerleader Law to make a comment
Please ignore Luffy's meaningless words since he lost 3 chapters later.
So what we can drag from this?
And there is also something else we learned on chapter 1026
The clash of 2 ACoC users attack causes the sky splitting. And with that we can assume other CoC coating clashes that caused sky splitting even without we getting the visual representation of it because it changes through time
So the 3 rules to determine if someone is using CoC coating is
BUT! Something is missing... The claim of Luffy saying he finally understood Kaido coats his club with CoC the first time he got hit by it.
When was that first time he is talking about? The time he got instantly KOed?
Or the first time at rooftop where he half dodged but remained consciousness therefore he could understand it?
Both cases are difficult to see the visuals of a CoC coating attack but we are sure one of them are because Luffy said so. Only one of them we can see Kaido's club charged with haki after the attack so I'd claim that Kaido one shotting Luffy at Act 1 was a CoC coating attack while Kaido blitzing Luffy at rooftop wasn't.
So once again let's add this rule to understand what makes a CoC coating attack
We can see that Zoro during his KoH mode mantains a constant flow of smoke and lightning around all his 3 swords. So for Zoro's case only we can say he has a 5th rule to be sure he is using CoC coating
By elimination of our 5 rules to determine CoC coating
This time making his haters to bite the pillow hard while crying he possibly (not confirmed) one shotted Lucci (although 3 swords can count as 3 attacks was only one named attack). And this allows us to compare him with Luffy that possibly (controversial) KOed Lucci with 3 CoCless attacks. And that's exactly where the polemics starts because we can have 2 scenarios here.
First scenario:
It was a CoC coated attack and that makes Zoro 1 CoC coated AP attack >= Nika 1/3 CoCless coated AP attack
Second scenario:
It wasn't a CoC coated attack and that makes Zoro 1 CoCless coated AP attack >= Nika 1/3 CoCless coated AP attack
So in first scenario we could say that Zoro needs ACoC to keep up with CoCless Nika. In the second we could say that he doesn't need. Either way this already puts Zoro much closer to Nika than some of his delusional haters used to claim.
But now let's go to the main topic. It was CoC coating?
First of all we need to know how to identify a CoC coating attack. We only learned about it at chapter 1010 when Luffy explains us.
That's the first mention of this technique in a time we used to believe CoC was useless in a fight against strong individuals.
And then we see Luffy using this technique
Please ignore Luffy's meaningless words since he lost 3 chapters later.
So what we can drag from this?
- CoC coating doesn't touch
- CoC coating has a black lightning streak that follows your attack while charging it
And there is also something else we learned on chapter 1026
The clash of 2 ACoC users attack causes the sky splitting. And with that we can assume other CoC coating clashes that caused sky splitting even without we getting the visual representation of it because it changes through time
So the 3 rules to determine if someone is using CoC coating is
- CoC coating doesn't touch
- CoC coating has a black lightning streak that follows your attack while charging it
- CoC coating clash splits the heavens
BUT! Something is missing... The claim of Luffy saying he finally understood Kaido coats his club with CoC the first time he got hit by it.
When was that first time he is talking about? The time he got instantly KOed?
Both cases are difficult to see the visuals of a CoC coating attack but we are sure one of them are because Luffy said so. Only one of them we can see Kaido's club charged with haki after the attack so I'd claim that Kaido one shotting Luffy at Act 1 was a CoC coating attack while Kaido blitzing Luffy at rooftop wasn't.
So once again let's add this rule to understand what makes a CoC coating attack
- CoC coating doesn't touch
- CoC coating has a black lightning streak that follows your attack while charging it
- CoC coating clash splits the heavens
- CoC coating attack "weapon"(can be bare hand too) remains charged even after the attack
We can see that Zoro during his KoH mode mantains a constant flow of smoke and lightning around all his 3 swords. So for Zoro's case only we can say he has a 5th rule to be sure he is using CoC coating
- CoC coating doesn't touch
- CoC coating has a black lightning streak that follows your attack while charging it
- CoC coating clash splits the heavens
- CoC coating attack "weapon"(can be bare hand too) remains charged even after the attack
- KoH mode has constant flow of black lightning around his swords
By elimination of our 5 rules to determine CoC coating
- We can't see any CoC coating no touching effect
- We can't see any CoC coating black lightning streak following Zoro's attack while charging it
- Zoro isn't splitting the heavens with Lucci
- Zoro swords doesn't remain charged after the attack
- We can't see the constant flow of black lightning around his swords that he has in King of Hell mode
acoc touches
2. This is not a factor, but it often happens when using acoc(for example we can see attack after hit)3. This is not a factor, but it can happen
No sky splitting
4. This is not a factor, but it can happen
"So for Zoro's case only we can say he has a 5th rule to be sure he is using CoC coating"5. It has never been stated that. There is nothing stopping Zoro from using acoc/coc outside KoH
100% acoc factor:
1.Black lightning
2.Direct statements
3.Vivre Cards/SBS(like in Oden Paradise Totsuka case)
4.In anime black lightning is 100% factor of acoc, according to Vincent Chansard interview(they get direct script when they need to draw acoc)
not 100% acoc factor,but very likely:
1.zzt-zzt/zap-zap signs or バリバリ/bari bari sfx katakana before/during/after attack(happens with almost all acoc attacks)
