Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1111 Spoilers Discussion

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So Luffy is starting to look like the Word Devil from Black Clover, who could just summon things into existence by speaking them.

What's even the limit to this?

Can Luffy just... make a giant robot out of his mind?

Alright, that would be pretty cool.
At this point, Luffy can do whatever Oda wants him to do.

He already transformed the entire Egghead into rubber, so yeah, pretty op.
 
arrongant? dude is a snake oil vendor. Lucky us that Japan wasnt touch by woke content but west comics before the woke-virus had higher quality in term of storytelling and consistency than OP:suresure:

Even others manga that were criticize for the bad quality like Bleach final arc, that arc is shitting over posttimeskip OP arcs
One Piece has been shit for a long time, I'm not talking about that.
 
When a fruit fails to give you built in top tier AP, it is already lagging behind others that do.
Who says it doesnt give him great strength? Im comparing Hybrid and Base Kaido and Hybrid is objectively a good deal stronger physically.

These are all cool to haves, and def why the fruit is great no denying that. We're comparing it to other top of the line fruits.

Read what Ginny says here, Oda seems to think Kaidos fruit is top tier.

Take Kaidou's fruit away from him vs take his genetics + advanced hakis away from him, he's losing far more from the latter than the former.
Id say its about equal because Kaido also spent time developping his fruit given how easily he was lifting Onigashima vs Momo who was literally out of breath after pushing it for a few seconds. His Drunk Hybrid forms, his Flaming Blazing Bagua,etc.

Take Kizaru's logia away from him vs take his genetics + advanced haki away from him and he's losing far more from the former. It's easy math.
Thats true but there is a reason people meme on the admirals so much calling them devil fruit merchants.
 
Who says it doesnt give him great strength? Im comparing Hybrid and Base Kaido and Hybrid is objectively a good deal stronger physically.




Read what Ginny says here, Oda seems to think Kaidos fruit is top tier.


Id say its about equal because Kaido also spent time developping his fruit given how easily he was lifting Onigashima vs Momo who was literally out of breath after pushing it for a few seconds. His Drunk Hybrid forms, his Flaming Blazing Bagua,etc.


Thats true but there is a reason people meme on the admirals so much calling them devil fruit merchants.
Kekdo not even able to awaken like Kaku
 

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I feel like Oda doesn’t know how strong he wants to make the admirals so he puts them in janky vague situations where he can upscale them down or up later depending on how he feels
He's made them too strong in concept, and he doesn't want to be bothered with drawing their battles cause it involves too much.

It's much easier to draw lazy haki battles which don't affect the terrain with every attack.
 
The other characters get there time to shine we get to see this over and over but no one will out shine luffy .
This is a manga that 15 years ago lets luffy get 3 arcs by him self with other characters that not SH .
Plus some people idea of character shining half time make no sense at least on here lol.
When was the last time Sanji shined? Ussop? Nami? Chopper?
 
Well yea having the fruit is what makes him top 1, I'd hope the fruit can boost him lmao, what we're discussing is how elite the fruit is on its own compared to the other top fruits.

The only top tier stat the fruit gives you is durability, pretty much everything else was Kaidou's genetics or haki.

Do you see Kizaru waving an external weapon like a Kanabo, or needing to take out a blade to attempt to kill someone? Kizaru can straight up conjure up a deadly light sword. His attack power, lethality, dc, speed comes directly from his fruit and nearly from his fruit alone.

Kaidou is a genetic freak + haki merchant. The fruit works well with his stats and haki, which you can make argument is superior to logias in this department. If you want to make that argument I'm all for it but there's a lot of factors that have to be put into making a zoan work well, a lot more is built into a logia directly.
What about that giant magma dragon capable of wiping out an entire country? That’s a pretty solid boost for anyone capable of unlocking that move lol
Also those dragon scales is untouchable even for most high-tiers, it’s a way better fruit right off the bat in the new world (where everyone knows haki so logia intangibility isn’t all that great). Stats, flight, elemental damage that could wipe out mid-tiers in an instant. Kaido’s fruit is much better than your average logia.
 
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