Character Discussion Sanji shouldve been a sniper

#21
Why I believe Sanji shouldve been the Sniper/Gunslinger in the crew


Lets be real....Sanji is being written atrociously. Like really badly. This is mainly due to poor treatment in a battle manga such as OP. I believe their are multiple reasons for this. Of course the first being his role in the crew.

1.) Sanji is a chef....however he is a chef that is written to be cool and appeal to the majority of the fanbase. He is likeable because he's brave, smart, cool, etc. Basically if you like Luffy and Zoro...you should like Sanji in theory (which is true for the beginning of the manga). So as we can see again Sanji is liked...meaning he is popular. Popularity = Panel time, but what the hell is a chef gonna do with all this paneltime in a battle manga. You see by making Sanji a chef, Oda cannot justifibly give him much combat focus....let alone combat focus on the lvl of Zoro and Luffy. It would undermine Zoro's position as the fighter on the crew and basically make it a useless role. So what do we end up getting ? A popular character forced to have all his paneltime running around and being caught in gag hijinks because having him do something important would undermine the importance of his other crewmates (Zoro and Luffy). This isnt a cooking manga, we know how Sanji could pop off in one (Shokugeki no Sanji)....this is a battle manga. So Sanji was doomed from the get go. His character is written to love cooking not combat. Of course this was mostly different pretimeskip with Sanji having more interest in fighting.

2.) The second reason Sanji is useless is because Oda doesnt like his fighting style. Simple as. Black Leg Style is not flashy enough for his taste. Its why hes obssesed with giving him flame powers, cybernetic modifications, raidsuits, etc. Oda has been experimenting with what he could do with Sanji to make use of his popularity and I get the vibe he just isnt interested. He only likes weapons, DFs and looney tunes. So what happens if Sanji isnt an interesting fighter ? Again just crying and running around.

So how could being a sniper have fixed him ?

- Well firstly, Sanji already has core traits that wouldve made him be a great sniper. He's intelligent, stealthy and has insane precision.

- Being a sniper wouldve given him a combat role within a battle manga, thus made good use of him since the SHs are basically always in battle now.

- Sanji is the one in the crew that specialises in observation haki, so what better way to express CoO prowess than an elite sniper

- Being a Sniper couldve given Sanji the flashiness Oda has been looking for.

- I would take this one step further and make Sanji a master trapper as well. Working with a range of traps and artillery. Making all his fights strategy based.

- Sanji's rivalry with Zoro would make more sense; being about Swords v Guns, Close combat v Long range combat, Hard work v talent and ingenuity.

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But what about Usopp ? Either the character of Usopp would merge with Sanji, and Sanji would get his backstory...or Oda couldve made Usopp the chef. Usopp already has low expectation due to his personality, so his role wouldnt do much damage anyways. Sanji's dream also couldve been to meet his father Yasopp. Similar to Gon Freecs.

But yh anyways this is just my 2 cents.
Something like this :
https://x.com/dankantori/status/1769648281770946833?s=46&t=1sFPei1q7geW94-9nEXMxg
 
#24
I agree. But Sanji could have also just used guns with his current fighting style. Imagine him shooting you mid combo then sky walking back and snipping your still flying back.
Oda could have just gave Sanji better opponents and made cooking more prevalent. At times it seems like he wants people to hate Sanji. Pre TS Sanji was fire.
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At first glance I thought this is a legit Sanji discussion post... until I read everything and it's just your usual Sanji trashing thread.

Good job bro, you got me.
He was a huge Sanji fan. I don’t think this is bashing, he’s giving valid criticism.
 
#25
I agree. But Sanji could have also just used guns with his current fighting style. Imagine him shooting you mid combo then sky walking back and snipping your still flying back.
Oda could have just gave Sanji better opponents and made cooking more prevalent. At times it seems like he wants people to hate Sanji. Pre TS Sanji was fire.
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He was a huge Sanji fan. I don’t think this is bashing, he’s giving valid criticism.
Sanji doing combos with legs and guns would've been so good.

I like the new Chrono, he keeps the talk agenda free.

Kuddos @Chrono
 
#27
You need hard work even to be a sharp shooter, it is just different from hard physical training, anyway good points. Their rivalry could indeed have been better in a way but the problem is thay Oda can't manage too well snipers too. Just look at Usopp and how much wasted potential, the last time I remember he did something relevant as a sniper is when in Dressrosa he took out Sugar before she touched Luffy and Law. We don't need such important events to happen continuously yet aside from that I don't remember not even a single minor feat as a sniper from that point onwards. Van Augur probably did better in the few minutes he had in the anime until now.
 
#29
Why I believe Sanji shouldve been the Sniper/Gunslinger in the crew


Lets be real....Sanji is being written atrociously. Like really badly. This is mainly due to poor treatment in a battle manga such as OP. I believe their are multiple reasons for this. Of course the first being his role in the crew.

1.) Sanji is a chef....however he is a chef that is written to be cool and appeal to the majority of the fanbase. He is likeable because he's brave, smart, cool, etc. Basically if you like Luffy and Zoro...you should like Sanji in theory (which is true for the beginning of the manga). So as we can see again Sanji is liked...meaning he is popular. Popularity = Panel time, but what the hell is a chef gonna do with all this paneltime in a battle manga. You see by making Sanji a chef, Oda cannot justifibly give him much combat focus....let alone combat focus on the lvl of Zoro and Luffy. It would undermine Zoro's position as the fighter on the crew and basically make it a useless role. So what do we end up getting ? A popular character forced to have all his paneltime running around and being caught in gag hijinks because having him do something important would undermine the importance of his other crewmates (Zoro and Luffy). This isnt a cooking manga, we know how Sanji could pop off in one (Shokugeki no Sanji)....this is a battle manga. So Sanji was doomed from the get go. His character is written to love cooking not combat. Of course this was mostly different pretimeskip with Sanji having more interest in fighting.

2.) The second reason Sanji is useless is because Oda doesnt like his fighting style. Simple as. Black Leg Style is not flashy enough for his taste. Its why hes obssesed with giving him flame powers, cybernetic modifications, raidsuits, etc. Oda has been experimenting with what he could do with Sanji to make use of his popularity and I get the vibe he just isnt interested. He only likes weapons, DFs and looney tunes. So what happens if Sanji isnt an interesting fighter ? Again just crying and running around.

So how could being a sniper have fixed him ?

- Well firstly, Sanji already has core traits that wouldve made him be a great sniper. He's intelligent, stealthy and has insane precision.

- Being a sniper wouldve given him a combat role within a battle manga, thus made good use of him since the SHs are basically always in battle now.

- Sanji is the one in the crew that specialises in observation haki, so what better way to express CoO prowess than an elite sniper

- Being a Sniper couldve given Sanji the flashiness Oda has been looking for.

- I would take this one step further and make Sanji a master trapper as well. Working with a range of traps and artillery. Making all his fights strategy based.

- Sanji's rivalry with Zoro would make more sense; being about Swords v Guns, Close combat v Long range combat, Hard work v talent and ingenuity.

----
But what about Usopp ? Either the character of Usopp would merge with Sanji, and Sanji would get his backstory...or Oda couldve made Usopp the chef. Usopp already has low expectation due to his personality, so his role wouldnt do much damage anyways. Sanji's dream also couldve been to meet his father Yasopp. Similar to Gon Freecs.

But yh anyways this is just my 2 cents.
I love this.
 

Lion of Olympus

The Prince of Power
#32
If Sanji's writing is atrocious post timeskip then what about the rest of the strawhats ? Sanji is essentially the only strawhat Oda has cared to write about post timeskip outside of Luffy.
Not enough fights ? Sanji is the character who gets by far the most fights after Luffy and Zoro in the entire manga.
I have no ideas what you are even trying to say by Oda doesn't like Sanji's fighting style but then saying Sanji gets the most boosts ?
Zoro's fights are more often than not just meaningless clashes until the end where he "nothing personal kid" his opponents... To this day Zoro vs Ryuma is the only good showcase of a swordfight.
It took almost a decade for Sanji to get his first 1v1 in the new world, so no, he doesn’t have enough fights
 
#34
Tbh, I quite like Sanji's fighting style, he always stood out to me, especially in the pre-TS. Although one could argue that with his "I don't want to hurt my hands that are cooking meals for my friends" motto sniping could suit him even more (plus observation haki would make so much sense there).
I could easily see Sanji being a cool gunslinger and pull that off, and as for Usopp, he could have a wicked DF ability.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#35
Sanji has fault as a character I can agree
But he is still quite better than the rest

And yeah Gunslinger would have been cool. By the way the gunslinger Zoro fought in Skypiea had an awesome fighting style.

But black leg style is still quite good and still love it. Same for the chef thing (obviously everything was more fresh and cool pre time skip)
 
#37
Why I believe Sanji shouldve been the Sniper/Gunslinger in the crew


Lets be real....Sanji is being written atrociously. Like really badly. This is mainly due to poor treatment in a battle manga such as OP. I believe their are multiple reasons for this. Of course the first being his role in the crew.

1.) Sanji is a chef....however he is a chef that is written to be cool and appeal to the majority of the fanbase. He is likeable because he's brave, smart, cool, etc. Basically if you like Luffy and Zoro...you should like Sanji in theory (which is true for the beginning of the manga). So as we can see again Sanji is liked...meaning he is popular. Popularity = Panel time, but what the hell is a chef gonna do with all this paneltime in a battle manga. You see by making Sanji a chef, Oda cannot justifibly give him much combat focus....let alone combat focus on the lvl of Zoro and Luffy. It would undermine Zoro's position as the fighter on the crew and basically make it a useless role. So what do we end up getting ? A popular character forced to have all his paneltime running around and being caught in gag hijinks because having him do something important would undermine the importance of his other crewmates (Zoro and Luffy). This isnt a cooking manga, we know how Sanji could pop off in one (Shokugeki no Sanji)....this is a battle manga. So Sanji was doomed from the get go. His character is written to love cooking not combat. Of course this was mostly different pretimeskip with Sanji having more interest in fighting.

2.) The second reason Sanji is useless is because Oda doesnt like his fighting style. Simple as. Black Leg Style is not flashy enough for his taste. Its why hes obssesed with giving him flame powers, cybernetic modifications, raidsuits, etc. Oda has been experimenting with what he could do with Sanji to make use of his popularity and I get the vibe he just isnt interested. He only likes weapons, DFs and looney tunes. So what happens if Sanji isnt an interesting fighter ? Again just crying and running around.

So how could being a sniper have fixed him ?

- Well firstly, Sanji already has core traits that wouldve made him be a great sniper. He's intelligent, stealthy and has insane precision.

- Being a sniper wouldve given him a combat role within a battle manga, thus made good use of him since the SHs are basically always in battle now.

- Sanji is the one in the crew that specialises in observation haki, so what better way to express CoO prowess than an elite sniper

- Being a Sniper couldve given Sanji the flashiness Oda has been looking for.

- I would take this one step further and make Sanji a master trapper as well. Working with a range of traps and artillery. Making all his fights strategy based.

- Sanji's rivalry with Zoro would make more sense; being about Swords v Guns, Close combat v Long range combat, Hard work v talent and ingenuity.

----
But what about Usopp ? Either the character of Usopp would merge with Sanji, and Sanji would get his backstory...or Oda couldve made Usopp the chef. Usopp already has low expectation due to his personality, so his role wouldnt do much damage anyways. Sanji's dream also couldve been to meet his father Yasopp. Similar to Gon Freecs.

But yh anyways this is just my 2 cents.
It's kinda sad that one of my two former masters that got me into defending Sanji has fallen from grace.:josad:
 
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