Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

If there is any better response against racial victimism I'm unaware of

https://youtube.com/shorts/kyQ5M7OEiJs?si=0aNSdjm91N0IU8F_

It is a shorts

This is a completely fallacious, ignorant and out of the point argument but also completely racist as F. She is not saying that there are better systems in Europe because there are more white (they most likely cut out her reply), but because there were socialist policies put in place cutting the foot out of racist and capitalist phenomenon and bad practices. Politics that are not taken in America.

Public schools will be forced to compete with private schools because the funds for the student will travel with the student to pay the tuition.

No, it will just prevent the state from putting more found into public school which will put people and places who have less in more misery. We already have that kind of problem in France where public schools are left to rot because the states does care anymore.

But I know it is all on me. I don't ask for help. All I ask is for governament to stop making it harder.

But of course you don't understand. You don't care about poor as I said.

So, if its all on you, when are you gonna be rich ? Next month ? Next year ? In a decade ? In 5 decades ?

And again if you dare, please, take you ignorant bottom into a factory or places where people have very low salaries and tell those poor people that have barely enough to live, that their situation is ALL ON THEM before you give me moral lessons about capitalism, just to see if you can hold on to your capitalist belief more than two seconds in front of people that are actually in misery because of it.

I can't even decide if I like Elon or I don't

The guy promotes :
- Far rights activists
- Anti Trans rethoric
- Complotist rethoric
- Absolute freedom of speech (and therefore harrasment phenomenon and problematic rethoric)

The guys put hundreds in the street or unemplyed, treated his employee like sh*t, promised technology and things that he never and will never deliver on, is accused of multiple sexual harrasment and abuse, doesn't understand his own business, created very bad policies, transformed twitter into a complete failure, is completely egocentric and he is a billionnaire.

So.. yeah.. I wouldn't call this guy "interesting", more like "a walking red flag with expensive shoes"

But in real life she never says that and after sometime she even avoid keep talking about politics because she starts losing arguments.

No, most probably because she doesn't want to ruin the party for everyone else. I have a racist family member that is like you. We avoid creating conflict because we want to have a good times so we let him speak when we are together and let him thinks he won because we know that the family is more important that his belief.

But I'm starting to get sick of letting racist and ignorant capitalist people like you speak freely when the far right and facism is rising in the world. So I will soon snap and OBLITERATE his argumentation and honor in front of the entire family with the risk of creating a rukus and I KNOW that the family is on my side.

So don't taunt your aunt to much, because the most likely possibility is that she is being nice to you right now...

 

[Zemmi]

This is a completely fallacious, ignorant and out of the point argument but also completely racist as F. She is not saying that there are better systems in Europe because there are more white (they most likely cut out her reply), but because there were socialist policies put in place cutting the foot out of racist and capitalist phenomenon and bad practices. Politics that are not taken in America.


No, it will just prevent the state from putting more found into public school which will put people and places who have less in more misery. We already have that kind of problem in France where public schools are left to rot because the states does care anymore.



So, if its all on you, when are you gonna be rich ? Next month ? Next year ? In a decade ? In 5 decades ?

And again if you dare, please, take you ignorant bottom into a factory or places where people have very low salaries and tell those poor people that have barely enough to live, that their situation is ALL ON THEM before you give me moral lessons about capitalism, just to see if you can hold on to your capitalist belief more than two seconds in front of people that are actually in misery because of it.





The guy promotes :
- Far rights activists
- Anti Trans rethoric
- Complotist rethoric
- Absolute freedom of speech (and therefore harrasment phenomenon and problematic rethoric)

The guys put hundreds in the street or unemplyed, treated his employee like sh*t, promised technology and things that he never and will never deliver on, is accused of multiple sexual harrasment and abuse, doesn't understand his own business, created very bad policies, made X into a failure, is completely egocentric and he is a billionnaire.

So.. yeah.. I wouldn't call this guy "interesting", more like "a walking red flag with expensive shoes"

No, most probably because she doesn't want to ruin the party for everyone else. I have a racist family member that is like you. We avoid creating conflict because we want to have a good times so we let him speak when we are together and let him thinks he won because we know that the family is more important that his belief.

But I'm starting to get sick of letting racist and ignorant capitalist people like you speak freely when the far right and facism is rising in the world. So I will soon snap and OBLITERATE his argumentation and honor in front of the entire family with the risk of creating a rukus and I KNOW that the family is on my side.

So don't taunt your aunt to much, because the most likely possibility is that she is being nice to you right now...

You waited too long to reply. Now I've moved on from those subjects.

 

[Logiko]

You waited too long to reply. Now I've moved on from those subjects.

Good

 

[Zenos7]

She is not saying that there are better systems in Europe because there are more white (they most likely cut out her reply)

nah thats just what he inferred himself. and whilte it may be true that the density of whites is higher, the conclusion doesnt follow though. its multifactorial after all
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but because there were socialist policies put in place

more like having a proper social system, but european countries are still capitalist
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The guy promotes :
- Far rights activists
- Anti Trans rethoric
- Complotist rethoric
- Absolute freedom of speech (and therefore harrasment phenomenon and problematic rethoric)

didnt he put punishments for misgendering people back in place?

 

[Ravagerblade]

I see all those as pretty much wins. Way better than having to put up with your sides bullshit. You guys are Authoritative and you either can't, don't or won't realize it, hell probably think it's lovely.
Well you know what they say, can't smell their own shit.

 

[Herrera95]

This is a completely fallacious, ignorant and out of the point argument but also completely racist as F. She is not saying that there are better systems in Europe because there are more white (they most likely cut out her reply), but because there were socialist policies put in place cutting the foot out of racist and capitalist phenomenon and bad practices. Politics that are not taken in America.

He just pointed out that the systems she claims to be better have less diversity which kills completely all the narrative.

No, it will just prevent the state from putting more found into public school which will put people and places who have less in more misery. We already have that kind of problem in France where public schools are left to rot because the states does care anymore.

Just offer voucher for the ones in misery to pay for the private school next to where they live instead of obligate them to travel hours per day just to access a service they are already paying for.

So, if its all on you, when are you gonna be rich ? Next month ? Next year ? In a decade ? In 5 decades ?

And again if you dare, please, take you ignorant bottom into a factory or places where people have very low salaries and tell those poor people that have barely enough to live, that their situation is ALL ON THEM before you give me moral lessons about capitalism, just to see if you can hold on to your capitalist belief more than two seconds in front of people that are actually in misery because of it.

I will be rich if I put enough effort through time which I can safely say that I deserve to be where I am because I didn't putted the effort that it needs. But what I can safely say is that people like me in different countries can live better or worse. Low class workers in USA lives better than people with a college degree in Brazil despite putting less effort into it. Because of the over corrupted governament and the woke ideas that doesn't allow economy to grow properly and that also reflect in the education and payment of low class workers. We have a lack of specialized professionals here to the point we have to import from other countries and we have a excess of low class which causes their payment to be lower. And funnily enough we tend to lose our educated employees that are always trying to leave the country because it is not a serious country. Many people here rather to go live in another country if possible.

No, most probably because she doesn't want to ruin the party for everyone else. I have a racist family member that is like you. We avoid creating conflict because we want to have a good times so we let him speak when we are together and let him thinks he won because we know that the family is more important that his belief.

But I'm starting to get sick of letting racist and ignorant capitalist people like you speak freely when the far right and facism is rising in the world. So I will soon snap and OBLITERATE his argumentation and honor in front of the entire family with the risk of creating a rukus and I KNOW that the family is on my side.

So don't taunt your aunt to much, because the most likely possibility is that she is being nice to you right now...

Now you want to tell me how my aunt is like...

First of all I'm not racist. You are. You are the one who thinks other races are inferior and needs governament help to live because they can't on their own. You are the one who divides society in race. I don't.

Second, she is the one who pushes the political talk. The whole family avoids talking about it because of her. The whole family is right wing. Some used to be left (they voted for Lula) until this one was declared corrupted so they woke up while my aunt refuses to see the truth and still thinks he was innocent.

 

[Logiko]

more like having a proper social system, but european countries are still capitalist

Yes.. social systems are usually pushed by socialist.. I would love for liberals to do it as well but I've never seen this type of pokemon before.

didnt he put punishments for misgendering people back in place?

I don't know and its probably not his doing (there are laws in some countries so he need to apply them) but it doesn't change what he promoted.

Well you know what they say, can't smell their own shit.

Take this sentence in front of a mirror please :)

He just pointed out that the systems she claims to be better have less diversity which kills completely all the narrative.

No, he tried to assign the win of those countries to the color of the skin of their people. Plus, the guy is ignorant if he think that there are less diversity in Europe than in the US. He killed nothing, he just made a fallacious racist claim that doesn't even help his argument.

Just offer voucher for the ones in misery to pay for the private school next to where they live instead of obligate them to travel hours per day just to access a service they are already paying for.

I don't think you understand the problem mate.

I will be rich if I put enough effort through time

So, what are you waiting for ? How long before you become a billionnaire ? (since it seems to be the goal you want people to have in life)

But what I can safely say is that people like me in different countries can live better or worse.

Which is like saying absolutely nothing. Its like saying "rich and poor people exist"...

Low class workers in USA lives better than people with a college degree in Brazil despite putting less effort into it.

How.. you are two finger close from understanding the problem with capitalism and imperialism mate.. you are almost there..

Because of the over corrupted governament and the woke ideas that doesn't allow economy to grow properly and that also reflect in the education and payment of low class workers.

Which is beyond ignorant. Looking at people like Trump and the power of "woke ideas" in the US, USA should - by your standard - be in extrem misery.

You know what prevent your economy to grow ?

- US Imperialism
- Capitalism
- An history of genocide in your country and therefore a very fragile union
- Far right opportunist like Bolsonaro

But keep blaming "wokes" mate...

We have a lack of specialized professionals here to the point we have to import from other countries and we have a excess of low class which causes their payment to be lower.

So your solution is more capitalism rather than more education ?

First of all I'm not racist. You are

Well, keep telling yourself that, lets see how this goes in the future.

You are the one who thinks other races are inferior

Hm nop. Not at all and I don't know where you take that from.

Let's not forget that its you mate, who is sharing a video of a white supremacist, no me. So be careful about what you are saying here if you don't want me to remind people here constantly that you are the type of guy that loves to share this type of content.

Also : You deny the genocide against an arabic population.

needs governament help to live because they can't on their own.

Noone can live on their own. If you are able to do that. Go prove it and takeover the sahara desert by yourself.

You are the one who divides society in race. I don't.

Actually, again, you are from the group who is doing that. I'm AGAINST that. Remember the word "racialized" ? Its mean to describe the oppression of people who are put into races by far right people like YOU, not us.

Don't try to gaslight us here mate.

Second, she is the one who pushes the political talk

As she should.

The whole family avoids talking about it because of her. The whole family is right wing

Well, in this case, she is right to be angry.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Yes.. social systems are usually pushed by socialist.. I would love for liberals to do it as well but I've never seen this type of pokemon before.



I don't know and its probably not his doing (there are laws in some countries so he need to apply them) but it doesn't change what he promoted.



Take this sentence in front of a mirror please :)



No, he tried to assign the win of those countries to the color of the skin of their people. Plus, the guy is ignorant if he think that there are less diversity in Europe than in the US. He killed nothing, he just made a fallacious racist claim that doesn't even help his argument.



I don't think you understand the problem mate.



So, what are you waiting for ? How long before you become a billionnaire ? (since it seems to be the goal you want people to have in life)


Which is like saying absolutely nothing. Its like saying "rich and poor people exist"...


How.. you are two finger close from understanding the problem with capitalism and imperialism mate.. you are almost there..


Which is beyond ignorant. Looking at people like Trump and the power of "woke ideas" in the US, USA should - by your standard - be in extrem misery.

You know what prevent your economy to grow ?

- US Imperialism
- Capitalism
- An history of genocide in your country and therefore a very fragile union
- Far right opportunist like Bolsonaro

But keep blaming "wokes" mate...


So your solution is more capitalism rather than more education ?



Well, keep telling yourself that, lets see how this goes in the future.



Hm nop. Not at all and I don't know where you take that from.

Let's not forget that its you mate, who is sharing a video of a white supremacist, no me. So be careful about what you are saying here if you don't want me to remind people here constantly that you are the type of guy that loves to share this type of content.

Also : You deny the genocide against an arabic population.



Noone can live on their own. If you are able to do that. Go prove it and takeover the sahara desert by yourself.



Actually, again, you are from the group who is doing that. I'm AGAINST that. Remember the word "racialized" ? Its mean to describe the oppression of people who are put into races by far right people like YOU, not us.

Don't try to gaslight us here mate.



As she should.



Well, in this case, she is right to be angry.

here's your own mirror bub.

 

[Logiko]

here's your own mirror bub.

Why would should I take offense of this ?

 

[Ravagerblade]

Why would should I take offense of this ?

Correct, why should you take offense here, it's only showing the truth.

 

[Logiko]

Correct, why should you take offense here, it's only showing the truth.

What truth ? Are you saying that I've down syndrom ?
But let's admit that its the case. Then what ?

 

[Ravagerblade]

What truth ? Are you saying that I'm down syndrom ?
But let's admit that its the case. Then what ?

Explains alot. But shame that down syndrome people would be compared to you.

 

[Logiko]

But shame that down syndrome people would be compared to you.

But its you who are doing the comparison here..

 

[Ravagerblade]

But its you who are doing the comparison here..

Cool story bro.

 

[Logiko]

Cool story bro.

 

[Ravagerblade]

You are the only one who seems to care so much about this.

 

[Logiko]

You are the only one who seems to care so much about this.

Care about what ?

 

[Herrera95]

No, he tried to assign the win of those countries to the color of the skin of their people. Plus, the guy is ignorant if he think that there are less diversity in Europe than in the US. He killed nothing, he just made a fallacious racist claim that doesn't even help his argument.

No he didn't. Your confusionist method won't work on me. He just pointed out the inconsistent on her argument and brought her to a dead end decision. She could either agree that the desired system she talked about can only work because there is a white supremacy on the population which would go against her beliefs or that the system she was trash talking was actually the best because of the diversity she claims to defend. Either way it is a win for him because she would be caught on her hipocrisy.

I don't think you understand the problem mate.

I understand way better than you that have 0 feelings to poor people.

So, what are you waiting for ? How long before you become a billionnaire ? (since it seems to be the goal you want people to have in life)

Classic of woke to attack the person when losing on arguments. I'm a human I have flaws. I don't put the effort to become billionaire that I should. I spend my day here debating with you and other people, I watch porn, I procrastinate instead of studying/working more. But at least I'm well aware of that and I know what I can do to change.

Which is like saying absolutely nothing. Its like saying "rich and poor people exist"...

Why the hell you are debating over a sentence that is about to be explained next? Of course this means nothing the explanation comes right after that.

How.. you are two finger close from understanding the problem with capitalism and imperialism mate.. you are almost there..

No you should be the one close to understand the problem with your woke ideas. Brazil went to socialism/communism approach way deeper than the USA. And that caused us misery. Just like Argentina that was once the best country in the world. And more important it is the corruption in the state. The bigger the state the better for corruption. The region that is the more left wing it is the northeast which is the poorer region of Brazil and is electing the same leaders over and over again. The region that is more right wing it is the south which is almost the richest but the safest at least. The richest tend to be southeast that is more inclined to the right but less than the south. And there is a huge migration over the years from the poorest regions of Brazil to the richest regions (of course) that explains why the richest region is going bit by bit to the left.

Which is beyond ignorant. Looking at people like Trump and the power of "woke ideas" in the US, USA should - by your standard - be in extrem misery.

You know what prevent your economy to grow ?

- US Imperialism
- Capitalism
- An history of genocide in your country and therefore a very fragile union
- Far right opportunist like Bolsonaro

But keep blaming "wokes" mate...

What I see in California and New York is misery to me. The amount of homeless, the amount of LEGAL robbery it is insane. I even said that here it seems even worse than a 3rd World Country. And they are trying to implement that shit here.

Well China is the biggest partner of Brazil economy and USA is the second so US Imperialistm is not preventing our economy to grow. Capitalism is what makes an economy do grow that why China shifted to capitalism despite keeping a dictatorship there. Russia did just the same since the fall of Soviet Union. Cuba is about to colapse to and do the shift. Then will be North Korea. You can see the benefits of capitalism using Hong Kong in comparison with China before they became capitalist.

What genocide in my country that even I am unaware of?

Bolsonaro opportunist? How is he opportunist? He is the best president our country ever has. The only who managed to shorter the size of governament.

So your solution is more capitalism rather than more education ?

Capitalism brings education.

Hm nop. Not at all and I don't know where you take that from.

Let's not forget that its you mate, who is sharing a video of a white supremacist, no me. So be careful about what you are saying here if you don't want me to remind people here constantly that you are the type of guy that loves to share this type of content.

Also : You deny the genocide against an arabic population.

How come the ones asking for media regulation are the ones who spread fake news the most?

Noone can live on their own. If you are able to do that. Go prove it and takeover the sahara desert by yourself.

I don't have to do that. I can do it right where I am and the governament can just step back and allows us to take care of ourselves.

Actually, again, you are from the group who is doing that. I'm AGAINST that. Remember the word "racialized" ? Its mean to describe the oppression of people who are put into races by far right people like YOU, not us.

Don't try to gaslight us here mate.

You the one who always bring race to discussion. Not me. You see white, black, asian. I only see people.

As she should.

Hypocrisy at it finest.

Well, in this case, she is right to be angry.

Who says she gets angry.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

@Ravagerblade are you being a confrontational playground warrior again?!?

 

[Toby D. Dog]

@Ravagerblade are you being a confrontational playground warrior again?!?

I think what really grinds my gears about users like ravager and Lerrera is how they are low key proud of their own ignorance. Ravager is especially frustrating to talk to because the guy literally has never made a point. He only regurgitates badly written alt right talking points and when you bring up a topic that requires him to analyze policy or any sort of data, he crumbles. I’d be embarrassed if I was him.