Controversial General Political Discussion

[Fn Lucci]

There wasn’t a state and the continent was barely populated lol. Did we really steal anything? Maybe during the ethnic cleanings since we agreed to share the land with the natives after the creation of the US

Did you question whether or not the Americas were stolen?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Did you question whether or not the Americas were stolen?

No. Definitely not him.

 

[TheLastBerserker]

Enough about women's rights its time to talk about women's wrongs.

 

[Uncle Van]

Enough about women's rights its time to talk about women's wrongs.

Oh no....

 

[Okamakama]

Enough about women's rights its time to talk about women's wrongs.

...We'd be here all day....

 

[Zemmi]

Enough about women's rights its time to talk about women's wrongs.

Like all humans, they have a variety of wrongs

 

[Uncle Van]

Let's be honest here: most people judge intellectual dishonesty by whether they agree with you or not(like most things). They've already got their assumption down as a fact, so denying their "facts" is dishonesty to them.

 

[Okamakama]

Let's be honest here: most people judge intellectual dishonesty by whether they agree with you or not(like most things). They've already got their assumption down as a fact, so denying their "facts" is dishonesty to them.

Not entirely. I think many can respect that someone, through their own perspectives and experiences, can come to wildly different conclusions on how things should work. Intellectual dishonesty is not about disagreement, but a doggedness to 'win-the-point' through subversive tactics.

For example, I think many people here are wrong, but I don't think they're being intellectually dishonest. In fact, I tend to think most of them are well-meaning individuals who aren't jaded through many negative life experiences, and probably have a more open heart than I and thus do not distrust as highly as I do.

 

[Zemmi]

Not entirely. I think many can respect that someone, through their own perspectives and experiences, can come to wildly different conclusions on how things should work. Intellectual dishonesty is not about disagreement, but a doggedness to 'win-the-point' through subversive tactics.

For example, I think many people here are wrong, but I don't think they're being intellectually dishonest. In fact, I tend to think most of them are well-meaning individuals who aren't jaded through many negative life experiences, and probably have a more open heart than I and thus do not distrust as highly as I do.

I tend to believe people honestly believe what they say and some people, I know this to be true, because if they didn't the idea is so insane, they wouldn't have said it unless they were convinced.

*cough cough* The brilliant defund the police idea.

 

[Okamakama]

I tend to believe people honestly believe what they say and some people, I know this to be true, because if they didn't the idea is so insane, they wouldn't have said it unless they were convinced.

*cough cough* The brilliant defund the police idea.

Pretty much, Zemmi. Most people honestly believe it, and I think a lot of the time it comes from a place of care and conviction. That does not means they're intellectually dishonest.

Defunding the police is... clever... yes...

 

[Uncle Van]

Not entirely. I think many can respect that someone, through their own perspectives and experiences, can come to wildly different conclusions on how things should work. Intellectual dishonesty is not about disagreement, but a doggedness to 'win-the-point' through subversive tactics.

For example, I think many people here are wrong, but I don't think they're being intellectually dishonest. In fact, I tend to think most of them are well-meaning individuals who aren't jaded through many negative life experiences, and probably have a more open heart than I and thus do not distrust as highly as I do.

Yeah but people don't use it correctly though. Like with throwing political terms they don't understand as an insult, they'll scream dishonesty from a disagreement.

I don’t necessarily distrust people, but too many people uses their own opinions as a basis for right and wrong, and do everything they can to position themselves as the good person.

 

[Okamakama]

Yeah but people don't use it correctly though. Like with throwing political terms they don't understand as an insult, they'll scream dishonesty from a disagreement.

I don’t necessarily distrust people, but too many people uses their own opinions as a basis for right and wrong, and do everything they can to position themselves as the good person.

Everyone wants to be a 'good person' or the 'good guy'. I think right and wrong formed via opinions is basically the foundation behind "morality is relative".

No, I think there are some clear acts that are immoral - unprovoked, intentional murder, for one. Yet other acts are murky and hard to ascribe morality to.

However, trying to attain the position of 'the good guy' in all situations, never taking an opinion that is outside of what an pure idealist would believe is something done by the insecure who are seeking validation - or a manipulator of the highest degree - just my take, no proof really.

People throwing political terms as an insult is weapon of choice for faux intellectuals (and extreme adherents to certain political philosophies ofc).

Without going into anything personal, I have had to learn to trust that people aren't operating in bad faith, but my first instinct is to think that the majority are, and that they only want to win rather than convince others. I have, however, come to learn that some people really are that idealistic...

 

[Roo]

Did you question whether or not the Americas were stolen?

Yes. Im not big on inherent claim to land. By that logic all of Europe was stolen from other ethnic groups and you don’t see them bitching

and what I said is 100% true. America was a largely uninhabited land by the time the colonies were being established. The natives were mostly killed off by disease way before this land was established

 

[Okamakama]

Yes. Im not big on inherent claim to land. By that logic all of Europe was stolen from other ethnic groups and you don’t see that often

and what I said is 100% true. America was a largely uninhabited land by the time the colonies were being established.

The way of conquerors, lad.

 

[Peroroncino]

so Israel bombing a freaking kitchen where all they did was feed victims and they bombed it with precision bombs meaning it was completely intentional am i right?
Killed people from America,UK,Poland,France and even Australia too.

 

[Okamakama]

so Israel bombing a freaking kitchen where all they did was feed victims and they bombed it with precision bombs meaning it was completely intentional am i right?
Killed people from America,UK,Poland,France and even Australia too.

Correct.
The Anti-Sanji.

 

[Roo]

The way of conquerors, lad.

I’m willing to bet most wars are due to land.

I wonder how different humanity would be if we had never picked up on the idea of claim to land

 

[Uncle Van]

Everyone wants to be a 'good person' or the 'good guy'. I think right and wrong formed via opinions is basically the foundation behind "morality is relative".

No, I think there are some clear acts that are immoral - unprovoked, intentional murder, for one. Yet other acts are murky and hard to ascribe morality to.

However, trying to attain the position of 'the good guy' in all situations, never taking an opinion that is outside of what an pure idealist would believe is something done by the insecure who are seeking validation - or a manipulator of the highest degree - just my take, no proof really.

People throwing political terms as an insult is weapon of choice for faux intellectuals (and extreme adherents to certain political philosophies ofc).

Without going into anything personal, I have had to learn to trust that people aren't operating in bad faith, but my first instinct is to think that the majority are, and that they only want to win rather than convince others. I have, however, come to learn that some people really are that idealistic...

If I give my full opinion on human beings in general, it would be very cynical and depressing lol

 

[Okamakama]

If I give my full opinion on human beings in general, it would be very cynical and depressing lol

My guy....

 

[Fn Lucci]

Yes. Im not big on inherent claim to land. By that logic all of Europe was stolen from other ethnic groups and you don’t see them bitching

and what I said is 100% true. America was a largely uninhabited land by the time the colonies were being established. The natives were mostly killed off by disease way before this land was established

Fuck. You're in your early 20s, right?