Controversial The True Strongest Warrior In All of China

[𝓓𝓡 . 𝕋𝒆ñ𝐦𝐚]

He is Moubu's future opponent so him currently being stronger than Moubu isn't really surprising. I think kanmei is still stronger lol.
Bro really has the most impressive glave swing in the entire series.
I was expecting similar kind of swings from Shibashou but Hara really robbed us.
But Manu not even doing half isn't about his individual strength. In Chap 658 Juko'ou says " Manu is acting strange. Normally he would strengthen the vanguard and pierce through like sento'un does but he isn't doing the same thing right now. In fact he's even let the enemies push him back. Manu isn't doing half as much as what's expected of him. Sento and Genu aren't enough to win this war."
So he is likely talking about Manu not utilising the army.

 

[Rumble]

- Does Man'U have "Weight" against Moubu? I assumed that he doesn't anymore because he lost the fire in him the moment his home state got destroyed by Chu. If this Man'U was doing THIS much against Moubu (Moubu wasn't at 100% like he did against Kanmei but still) then imagine how op Man'U with "Weight" would be lol.

No, but he didn't need it.

He had the strength of his convictions while Mou Bu was floundering in his own.

I suspect he will have his weight "back" in the rematch.

 

[FutureWarrior123]

I never really had a gauge on his power, but I do trust in his word that he’s below Kanmei, as would the stats agree. But in some ways he’s shown to be a bigger threat than he was, for reasons that are intangible.

Regardless, he’s a monster that will prove to be the main powerhouse standing in the way of Moubu in the Chu conquest when that time comes.

 

[God Buggy]

How many Man’U+ level fighters do you think are in Chu?

Imo at least other two people. Plus, in the future:

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There will also be Chu Shouheikun, who pretty much has a claim of being the best or near best fighter in the series until that point.

 

[Pirao]

i do agree he might be the strongest but him not doing half of what he is supposed to be doing clearly refers to battlefield tactics and army movement

Exactly.

 

[Bullet]

Man U isn't relevant enough to be the best warrior
Either full weight Moubu or someone else that will appear later.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

No, but he didn't need it.

He had the strength of his convictions while Mou Bu was floundering in his own.

Yeah fair enough.

I suspect he will have his weight "back" in the rematch.

Agreed.

 

[MarineHQ]

Renpa who got his fire back will be > Man'U

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Renpa who got his fire back will be > Man'U

Idk.

I have Full Weight Man'U > Full Weight Renpa > Sanyou Renpa > Juuko Man'U.

 

[God Buggy]

Renpa who got his fire back will be > Man'U

Man'U vs Renpa, it's hard to say. Though I think that neither of the two are destined to be in top 2 of Chu martial wise.

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I think Shouheikun and Kouen will claim that.

Shouheikun, he is set to be the EOS fight for Moubu. That hype Saitaku gave him, oh boy it's gonna come in for real. I think Moubu fights and defeats Man'U before that.

Kouen...well, being Shin's main opponent in Chu and all, I see him finally getting killed in a duel. And @Lee Ba Shou I don't see Man'U besting Kouen even in a duel. Is Kouen just that monstrous even there? Yes, I think he is. Lol.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Man'U vs Renpa, it's hard to say. Though I think that neither of the two are destined to be in top 2 of Chu martial wise.

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I think Shouheikun and Kouen will claim that.

Shouheikun, he is set to be the EOS fight for Moubu. That hype Saitaku gave him, oh boy it's gonna come in for real. I think Moubu fights and defeats Man'U before that.

Kouen...well, being Shin's main opponent in Chu and all, I see him finally getting killed in a duel. And @Lee Ba Shou I don't see Man'U besting Kouen even in a duel. Is Kouen just that monstrous even there? Yes, I think he is. Lol.

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Depends but if Kou Yoku is any indication, big papa himself should absolutely be a high top tier. Yoku is already clashing evenly with Tou in his late 20s

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Man'U vs Renpa, it's hard to say. Though I think that neither of the two are destined to be in top 2 of Chu martial wise.

Spoiler

I think Shouheikun and Kouen will claim that.

Shouheikun, he is set to be the EOS fight for Moubu. That hype Saitaku gave him, oh boy it's gonna come in for real. I think Moubu fights and defeats Man'U before that.

Kouen...well, being Shin's main opponent in Chu and all, I see him finally getting killed in a duel. And @Lee Ba Shou I don't see Man'U besting Kouen even in a duel. Is Kouen just that monstrous even there? Yes, I think he is. Lol.

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Depends but if Kou Yoku is any indication, big papa himself should absolutely be a high top tier. Yoku is already clashing evenly with Tou in his late 20s

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I can see SHK being that strong but not sure about Kouen tbh. For me, I think he will be a strategist first and foremost, and we definitely don't want to repeat the Kochou incident lol.

 

[God Buggy]

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I can see SHK being that strong but not sure about Kouen tbh. For me, I think he will be a strategist first and foremost, and we definitely don't want to repeat the Kochou incident lol.

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Kouen is gonna be a monstrous strategist, I agree with that. My point about him having that much individual martial prowess was related to him being a Shin opponent, and thinking there will be a duel with Shin.

I think the epithet "Tiger" could manifest itself through both his strategic prowesss and the savagery of his blade.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

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Kouen is gonna be a monstrous strategist, I agree with that. My point about him having that much individual martial prowess was related to him being a Shin opponent, and thinking there will be a duel with Shin.

I think the epithet "Tiger" could manifest itself through both his strategic prowesss and the savagery of his blade.

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A top tier strategist with insane martial prowess + Instinctual ability?

I wouldn't mind it. Just keeping my expectations low due to Kochou PTSD lol.

 

[Bullet]

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Kouen is gonna be a monstrous strategist, I agree with that. My point about him having that much individual martial prowess was related to him being a Shin opponent, and thinking there will be a duel with Shin.

I think the epithet "Tiger" could manifest itself through both his strategic prowesss and the savagery of his blade.

Kou En should already be old and it's like another 15 years before we get to him
I really don't expect a Kanmei tier warrior from him
Kou En will be amped up with weight while already being a really strong warrior to smack Shin around a bit and then get cut in half
Kou En is basically CGR on roids in my opinion.

 

[Apollo]

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Kouen should be a monster in martial ability, Kouyoku -who is probably his son- is quite strong and managed to stall tou with his Bakuya blade while only being a 5K-man commander.

And further down the line, his grandson Xiang Yu is a hero known for his martial prowess in Chinese folklore. His achievements in battle are also quite great.

Its hard to think out of the 3 generations of this family Kouen will be the weak one physically, especially when he will face Shin.

 

[God Buggy]

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Depends but if Kou Yoku is any indication, big papa himself should absolutely be a high top tier. Yoku is already clashing evenly with Tou in his late 20s

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I'm telling you man, Kouen and Shouheikun will be the fucking duo of destruction lmfao.

Not only Shouheikun is already enormously hyped, but when he becomes King of Chu (as opposed to Riboku, who will never become King of Zhao), he might be able to draw a similar kind of morale to Sei in Sai.

With Kouen, Hara hyped this man since chapter 300, and to this day an appearance is nowhere near in sight. And he's gonna give the MC the most brutal spanking he ever receives in the story, dude is gonna traumatize him like Akainu with Luffy and has a multi year hype like Kaido lol. Y'all are gonna tell me just how brutally powerful Hara makes this man lmao.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Kou En should already be old and it's like another 15 years before we get to him

100 year old Kou En when young whipper snapper Ri Shin didn’t learn his damn lesson the first time:

Seriously Hara does not need to adhere to reality 100%. 70 year old Mougou was already sending Renpa and his horse flying from the ground, just imagine what a 70 year old Kanmei or Ouki would be capable of.

Kou En’s hype is so massive that I think he’ll still be stronger than Mougou in old age. Hell Renpa will be around the same age as Kou En by the time of the Chu campaign but I still think he’ll give prime Shin a hard thrashing. Kou En should still be a monster at that age as well.

I think the theme of the second Chu campaign will be the young generation surpassing the old, which will be shown very literally when Shin slays Renpa and Kou En, who I believe we will discover was a young upstart who’s ability rivaled Gakuki during the Qi Coalition (since Gakuki is no longer around for Shin to surpass lol.

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I'm telling you man, Kouen and Shouheikun will be the fucking duo of destruction lmfao.

Not only Shouheikun is already enormously hyped, but when he becomes King of Chu (as opposed to Riboku, who will never become King of Zhao), he might be able to draw a similar kind of morale to Sei in Sai.

With Kouen, Hara hyped this man since chapter 300, and to this day an appearance is nowhere near in sight. And he's gonna give the MC the most brutal spanking he ever receives in the story, dude is gonna traumatize him like Akainu with Luffy and has a multi year hype like Kaido lol. Y'all are gonna tell me just how brutally powerful Hara makes this man lmao.

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Controversial opinion I guess but I actually think that during the first Chu Campaign, when Kou En slaughters Shin’s army, Kou En may one shot Shin. This would make Shin’s defeat even more soul crushing, and his eventual victory over Kou En more satisfying.

Spoiler

Kouen should be a monster in martial ability, Kouyoku -who is probably his son- is quite strong and managed to stall tou with his Bakuya blade while only being a 5K-man commander.

And further down the line, his grandson Xiang Yu is a hero known for his martial prowess in Chinese folklore. His achievements in battle are also quite great.

Its hard to think out of the 3 generations of this family Kouen will be the weak one physically, especially when he will face Shin.

Do you have a source on the grandson? I can’t find anything on him

 

[God Buggy]

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Controversial opinion I guess but I actually think that during the first Chu Campaign, when Kou En slaughters Shin’s army, Kou En may one shot Shin. This would make Shin’s defeat even more soul crushing, and his eventual victory over Kou En more satisfying.

Alright that's enough wank for today😂

It's possible that he's still martially stronger than Qin Six Shin the first time around and the he gets surpassed in the second invasion. This I can well see.

 

[Apollo]

Do you have a source on the grandson? I can’t find anything on him

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Xiang Yu is much more well known than any other of his family, as he was the main contender for emperor of China with Liu Bang after the fall of Qin.

He has a wikipedia page dedicated for him that describes how he was a great warrior.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiang_Yu
This man will single-handedly end Qin as an empire, killing 400K Qin troops in the battle of Julu.

See that "Wang Li" who lost the battle ? You can look up to see who he is the son of.

If Hara wants to write the Han-Chu contention for China after Qin's fall, then the Chu arc will be the biggest place to introduce the main players in that conflict (Liu Bang, Young Xiang Yu and Han Xin).