General & Others Why did my fellow Zoro fans delude themselves so much about him beating Kizaru this arc?
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Lucci has top tier speed. He specializing speed and close quarters combat. Similar to how King has top tier durability and defense.
Lucci's awakening speed was hyped by Dr. Vegapunk who spend time with and studied Kizaru and his DF. That says a lot about Lucci's speed.
Luffy's snakeman+FS was completely ineffective against Kizaru who effortlessly blocked and easily reacted to all of Luffy's snakeman attacks.
Kizaru blitzed G4 snakeman+FS Luffy.
The manga makes it clear Kizaru is too fast for snakeman Luffy even with FS
G5 Luffy was able to keep up with and hit Kizaru. G5 Luffy is much faster than G4 snakeman+FS Luffy.
Awakening Lucci kept up with and matched Lucci's G5 speed at times.
Awakening Lucci is faster than G4 snakeman Luffy. Awakening Lucci speed it top tier. Lucci does it have to be faster or equal to Kizaru speed to have top tier speed.
Zoro easily evaded Lucci's name and then blizted him. Zoro evading Lucci's two hand multi-hit attack was a better feat than G5 Luffy evading Lucci's one hand multi-hit attack. That wasn't Zoro's top speed or fastest attack. Zoro is faster than Lucci and has top tier speed.
As I said, Zoro didn't need Kizaru to show off his speed. Lucci served that purpose.
Lucci's awakening speed was hyped by Dr. Vegapunk who spend time with and studied Kizaru and his DF. That says a lot about Lucci's speed.
Luffy's snakeman+FS was completely ineffective against Kizaru who effortlessly blocked and easily reacted to all of Luffy's snakeman attacks.
Kizaru blitzed G4 snakeman+FS Luffy.
The manga makes it clear Kizaru is too fast for snakeman Luffy even with FS
G5 Luffy was able to keep up with and hit Kizaru. G5 Luffy is much faster than G4 snakeman+FS Luffy.
Awakening Lucci kept up with and matched Lucci's G5 speed at times.
Awakening Lucci is faster than G4 snakeman Luffy. Awakening Lucci speed it top tier. Lucci does it have to be faster or equal to Kizaru speed to have top tier speed.
Zoro easily evaded Lucci's name and then blizted him. Zoro evading Lucci's two hand multi-hit attack was a better feat than G5 Luffy evading Lucci's one hand multi-hit attack. That wasn't Zoro's top speed or fastest attack. Zoro is faster than Lucci and has top tier speed.
As I said, Zoro didn't need Kizaru to show off his speed. Lucci served that purpose.
Lucci has top tier speed. He specializing speed and close quarters combat. Similar to how King has top tier durability and defense.
Lucci's awakening speed was hyped by Dr. Vegapunk who spend time with and studied Kizaru and his DF. That says a lot about Lucci's speed.
Luffy's snakeman+FS was completely ineffective against Kizaru who effortlessly blocked and easily reacted to all of Luffy's snakeman attacks.
Kizaru blitzed G4 snakeman+FS Luffy.
The manga makes it clear Kizaru is too fast for snakeman Luffy even with FS
G5 Luffy was able to keep up with and hit Kizaru. G5 Luffy is much faster than G4 snakeman+FS Luffy.
Awakening Lucci kept up with and matched Lucci's G5 speed at times.
Awakening Lucci is faster than G4 snakeman Luffy. Awakening Lucci speed it top tier. Lucci does it have to be faster or equal to Kizaru speed to have top tier speed.
Zoro easily evaded Lucci's name and then blizted him. Zoro evading Lucci's two hand multi-hit attack was a better feat than G5 Luffy evading Lucci's one hand multi-hit attack. That wasn't Zoro's top speed or fastest attack. Zoro is faster than Lucci and has top tier speed.
As I said, Zoro didn't need Kizaru to show off his speed. Lucci served that purpose.
Lucci's awakening speed was hyped by Dr. Vegapunk who spend time with and studied Kizaru and his DF. That says a lot about Lucci's speed.
Luffy's snakeman+FS was completely ineffective against Kizaru who effortlessly blocked and easily reacted to all of Luffy's snakeman attacks.
Kizaru blitzed G4 snakeman+FS Luffy.
The manga makes it clear Kizaru is too fast for snakeman Luffy even with FS
G5 Luffy was able to keep up with and hit Kizaru. G5 Luffy is much faster than G4 snakeman+FS Luffy.
Awakening Lucci kept up with and matched Lucci's G5 speed at times.
Awakening Lucci is faster than G4 snakeman Luffy. Awakening Lucci speed it top tier. Lucci does it have to be faster or equal to Kizaru speed to have top tier speed.
Zoro easily evaded Lucci's name and then blizted him. Zoro evading Lucci's two hand multi-hit attack was a better feat than G5 Luffy evading Lucci's one hand multi-hit attack. That wasn't Zoro's top speed or fastest attack. Zoro is faster than Lucci and has top tier speed.
As I said, Zoro didn't need Kizaru to show off his speed. Lucci served that purpose.
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I still have Luffy defeating Saturn this arc
Don't believe that anymore? Then think about it
Saturn summoned all Gorosei in Egghead, it seems that he needed to be on Egghead to summon them there
Which leads us to all Gorosei being able to leave Egghead through that summoning except Saturn
Let's not forget for a second the narrative buildup for his defeat ;)
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This is a much better prediction than "Kizaru being Luffy's main fight" this arc like some of you pushed
I don't need to go back to your old posts though and mock you for them, I made peace with that a while ago ;)
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You still think that?
Honestly, there's no way Saturn still gets defeated after 4 other elders are still roaming around doing damage. I just can't see it anymore.
Rn, the only known narrative buildup is how the strawhats are gonna escape this island after Vegapunk's broadcast is done.
There's just way too many powerful enemies and unless Luffy fights with Saturn on a different dimension or a deserted island, I definitely see no point in him defeating Saturn this quickly.
Heck, Luffy can't even hurt him.
Honestly, there's no way Saturn still gets defeated after 4 other elders are still roaming around doing damage. I just can't see it anymore.
Rn, the only known narrative buildup is how the strawhats are gonna escape this island after Vegapunk's broadcast is done.
There's just way too many powerful enemies and unless Luffy fights with Saturn on a different dimension or a deserted island, I definitely see no point in him defeating Saturn this quickly.
Heck, Luffy can't even hurt him.
In fairness, none of us were correct on how the main conflict of Egghead would go down.
Still, objectively, Luffy vs Kizaru on Egghead was 100x more accurate than Zoro beating Kizaru here
Still, objectively, Luffy vs Kizaru on Egghead was 100x more accurate than Zoro beating Kizaru here
This implies that they will go back through the same route than they came.
Except that Saturn can't go back as he is the one who summoned them.
This can perfectly build up towards Saturn being left alone in Egghead and him being defeated by Luffy.
Would I die on this hill? Probably not, I'm just saying this is a possibility.
Now Zoro vs Kizaru? I find it more ridiculous to believe that now than when I posted that at the time but nothing is impossible until the arc is over and we are all aware of what Oda does.
Why would the Gorosei leave Saturn alone on Egghead if Nika were still present though? They are trying to claim this island for the WG, wouldn’t make sense for them to deuce out with enemies still present.
For the record, I’m not convinced Imu himself isn’t coming to Egghead this arc. He was teased just as all the Gorosei were, we could still see the big guy himself come depending on how bad things get.
For the record, I’m not convinced Imu himself isn’t coming to Egghead this arc. He was teased just as all the Gorosei were, we could still see the big guy himself come depending on how bad things get.
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Try actually countering my post. So far haven't proved me wrong. I provided manga scenes showing Lucci has top tier speed and keeping up with and matching a character who can hit Kizaru light speed movement.
Since all you seem to care about is light speed movement here is pre TS Zoro evading Kuma's light speed attacks.
There goes your entire argument.
I can add a scene showing Kizaru fail to blitz Sentomaru while moving at light speed.
I don't pay that much attention to the light speed hype because that's all it is, just hype. Either nobody moves at light speed in One Piece or any character can gain the ability to move at or react to light speed movement. If that's true than moving at light speed is not as impressive as you try to make it.
Since all you seem to care about is light speed movement here is pre TS Zoro evading Kuma's light speed attacks.
There goes your entire argument.
I can add a scene showing Kizaru fail to blitz Sentomaru while moving at light speed.
I don't pay that much attention to the light speed hype because that's all it is, just hype. Either nobody moves at light speed in One Piece or any character can gain the ability to move at or react to light speed movement. If that's true than moving at light speed is not as impressive as you try to make it.
Who is this character you are talking about?
The only character that has hit Kizaru have been Rayleigh in Sabaody and Luffy this arc, with Sanji and Sentomaru blocking him. No other character I believe has been shown to "hit Kizaru". I actually reread chapter 1091 and while Kizaru is busy talking about their past, Sento hits him, Kizaru doesn't even stop talking and destroys him.
Lucci got thrown out of the window from Luffy, literally could not land a proper hit, and stalled with Zoro for ages.
Since when is air "light speed"? Do you know that Kuma compresses air and create bubbles of air that he sends flying, right?
The bold part can clearly be re-phrased in "I don't pay attention to what doesn't fit my narrative".
Nobody moves at light speed, only a character that is literally made of light.
And it's clearly shown that he needs to project light before he can travel, as people are first illuminated, then he starts moving. So people literally have a flashing light showing he is about to arrive.
The only character that has hit Kizaru have been Rayleigh in Sabaody and Luffy this arc, with Sanji and Sentomaru blocking him. No other character I believe has been shown to "hit Kizaru". I actually reread chapter 1091 and while Kizaru is busy talking about their past, Sento hits him, Kizaru doesn't even stop talking and destroys him.
Lucci got thrown out of the window from Luffy, literally could not land a proper hit, and stalled with Zoro for ages.
Since when is air "light speed"? Do you know that Kuma compresses air and create bubbles of air that he sends flying, right?
The bold part can clearly be re-phrased in "I don't pay attention to what doesn't fit my narrative".
Nobody moves at light speed, only a character that is literally made of light.
And it's clearly shown that he needs to project light before he can travel, as people are first illuminated, then he starts moving. So people literally have a flashing light showing he is about to arrive.
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