[FNZ] Role Madness Final Fantasy XVI Mafia - Game Thread
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btw @Flower i dont want to see u boasting post game about reading me correctly and what not. ur hesitating too much on something i find pretty obvious. i think this is more out of laziness/you being busy than you reading me incorrectly but my point on hesitation stands. its what makes it harder for us to work together. like in day 1 i was casing mango and u voted me and called me overselling instead of giving the mango wagon a chance to grow and seeing where we end up with. u cud use things like that to read me off of.
im just bored and have nothing else to discuss, might as well talk about post game discussion now lol
im just bored and have nothing else to discuss, might as well talk about post game discussion now lol
Thanks for the birthday wishes.
I identified and pushed both the day 1 and 2 lynches.
I did an entire ISO post on Red Night which directly singled him out before any real pressure showed up.
If I've done anything wrong its allowing myself to get lazy after the first two successful lynches and thinking we could just eliminate more shady slots for the next two lynches instead of continuing to pick apart posts by players.
For me to be scum I would have to have HARD bussed two team members at the very beginning of the game.
That's pretty absurd.
OR
I would have to be a serial/indie role that ISNT Clive, because Emil has already claimed Clive.
Flavorwise, the Mafia members that have flipped are all close to Clive.
Jill Warrick - "Ever since being taken from her homeland as a political hostage at a young age, the Archduke of Rosaria raised Jill like a sister to Clive and Joshua, and eventually, Jill became the Rosfield brothers' trusted confidant."
Cid Telamon - "After being mortally wounded, he left the leadership of the hideaway and his very name to Clive, confident that he will accomplish his goal of creating a world where people can live and die by their own terms. Cid's views on Barnabas and his faith in Clive would be vindicated after the discovery of Barnabas's connection to Ultima and Clive succeeding in destroying the Mothercrystals and defeating Ultima, ending the presence of magic in Valisthea. Even after his death, he gave encouragement to Clive, telling him to "go on" as the latter overpowered Ultima's version of Ramuh's lightning rods."
Joshua Rosfield - "Joshua Rosfield is a main character from Final Fantasy XVI. He is the Archduke of Rosaria's second born son and Clive's younger brother."
So for me to be scum, I would have to be both a hostile indie that has no kill, because all kills are accounted for, that also IS NOT Clive which has been showing in every Domination death post to be getting stronger. So I can't be in an execution-style role either.
I struggle to even fathom what role would fit me being scum. It does not fit the mechanical information we have.
I do not have any way to confirm myself as town, because mechanically there has been nothing to confirm me. No PR has claimed any interaction with me, and I already claimed vanilla. But I can at least show you how it makes zero sense for me to be scum.
I also haven't pushed any of the town wagons. Clearly I can be accredited with going along with the lynches, but at no point did I push the Day 3 or 4 lynches that resulted in town loss.
I can only give you my limited point of view as a vanilla. This does not fit for me to be part of the Mafia faction. And the game setup makes absolutely no sense for a hostile indie to exist given the revealed roles we have.
I identified and pushed both the day 1 and 2 lynches.
I did an entire ISO post on Red Night which directly singled him out before any real pressure showed up.
If I've done anything wrong its allowing myself to get lazy after the first two successful lynches and thinking we could just eliminate more shady slots for the next two lynches instead of continuing to pick apart posts by players.
For me to be scum I would have to have HARD bussed two team members at the very beginning of the game.
That's pretty absurd.
OR
I would have to be a serial/indie role that ISNT Clive, because Emil has already claimed Clive.
Flavorwise, the Mafia members that have flipped are all close to Clive.
Jill Warrick - "Ever since being taken from her homeland as a political hostage at a young age, the Archduke of Rosaria raised Jill like a sister to Clive and Joshua, and eventually, Jill became the Rosfield brothers' trusted confidant."
Cid Telamon - "After being mortally wounded, he left the leadership of the hideaway and his very name to Clive, confident that he will accomplish his goal of creating a world where people can live and die by their own terms. Cid's views on Barnabas and his faith in Clive would be vindicated after the discovery of Barnabas's connection to Ultima and Clive succeeding in destroying the Mothercrystals and defeating Ultima, ending the presence of magic in Valisthea. Even after his death, he gave encouragement to Clive, telling him to "go on" as the latter overpowered Ultima's version of Ramuh's lightning rods."
Joshua Rosfield - "Joshua Rosfield is a main character from Final Fantasy XVI. He is the Archduke of Rosaria's second born son and Clive's younger brother."
So for me to be scum, I would have to be both a hostile indie that has no kill, because all kills are accounted for, that also IS NOT Clive which has been showing in every Domination death post to be getting stronger. So I can't be in an execution-style role either.
I struggle to even fathom what role would fit me being scum. It does not fit the mechanical information we have.
I do not have any way to confirm myself as town, because mechanically there has been nothing to confirm me. No PR has claimed any interaction with me, and I already claimed vanilla. But I can at least show you how it makes zero sense for me to be scum.
I also haven't pushed any of the town wagons. Clearly I can be accredited with going along with the lynches, but at no point did I push the Day 3 or 4 lynches that resulted in town loss.
I can only give you my limited point of view as a vanilla. This does not fit for me to be part of the Mafia faction. And the game setup makes absolutely no sense for a hostile indie to exist given the revealed roles we have.
While I understand your question was specifically, my case for how I am town.
I can only offer my behavior in thread leading up to this day phase.
There has been no mechanical interaction and I would imagine if Fuji had lived, he would be able to testify that I did not make a target last night. Thus why Emil's repeated parroting of "he wouldn't kill Fuji" is so much garbage.
I hope this post condenses my viewpoint on where my thought process is given all the information I have available.
I can only offer my behavior in thread leading up to this day phase.
There has been no mechanical interaction and I would imagine if Fuji had lived, he would be able to testify that I did not make a target last night. Thus why Emil's repeated parroting of "he wouldn't kill Fuji" is so much garbage.
I hope this post condenses my viewpoint on where my thought process is given all the information I have available.
so much flavor talk here. your flipped mates had fake claims that they used. despite their characters been good they were given fakes to probably not tie them together. my character is a setup spec bait, id have been given a fake claim as scum and/or my flavor would not have been appearing in every writeup.
not pushing the town wagons is not a very good point. u have tmi on them being town. u entered the day voting them and not bothering to solve further, while the rest of us spent time questioning them with no avail. when town is wrong, scum shud just let them be wrong. u didnt have to push anything cuz town was wrong. u didnt try to (and didnt have to) do anything, as that might risk correcting us and getting us on the right track
lastly your role absolutely fit as scum, or even indie. mafia is already strong and u think their 4th would be my role? how bad of a host u take ratchet for? if there r 4 mafia, the last one wud have to be a goon or a weak cop role. the team is already too powerful. both goon or weak cop role fit what you claimed. my role is anything but a weak mafia role. my role perfectly compliments everything town is missing if they r combating against a team of 4
not pushing the town wagons is not a very good point. u have tmi on them being town. u entered the day voting them and not bothering to solve further, while the rest of us spent time questioning them with no avail. when town is wrong, scum shud just let them be wrong. u didnt have to push anything cuz town was wrong. u didnt try to (and didnt have to) do anything, as that might risk correcting us and getting us on the right track
lastly your role absolutely fit as scum, or even indie. mafia is already strong and u think their 4th would be my role? how bad of a host u take ratchet for? if there r 4 mafia, the last one wud have to be a goon or a weak cop role. the team is already too powerful. both goon or weak cop role fit what you claimed. my role is anything but a weak mafia role. my role perfectly compliments everything town is missing if they r combating against a team of 4
u saw flower's post about clive fitting as scum flavor wise and are trying to exploit it lmao. couldnt find an angle by gameplay so is resorting to the flavor angle lol
literally id have been given a fake claim if the scum team can all be solved like that
how much more do yall need to see how slimy this guy is
literally id have been given a fake claim if the scum team can all be solved like that
how much more do yall need to see how slimy this guy is
I'm going to respond to this one post of yours to point out yet again how poor your logic is.
"lastly your role absolutely fit as scum, or even indie. mafia is already strong and u think their 4th would be my role? how bad of a host u take ratchet for? if there r 4 mafia, the last one wud have to be a goon or a weak cop role."
So you're saying I bussed two of my teammates with better roles than me, while I have the worst PR role. Yeah that's pretty stupid. Yet again another example of you trying to just throw out complete nonsense. Do you see how easy it is to SHOW how nonsense that is by just taking your own logic to the next step of conclusion? Does it sound stupid to you when I reword and show you what you're saying? Because it really should.
You said it fits as indie? How. HOW. Are we back to your "there's been a failed kill from a scum faction every night" theory? Because otherwise you're accusing me of being a kill-less indie. Which is absurd.
"so much flavor talk here. your flipped mates had fake claims that they used. despite their characters been good they were given fakes to probably not tie them together. my character is a setup spec bait, id have been given a fake claim as scum and/or my flavor would not have been appearing in every writeup."
You complained about the "flavor" talk I brought up, but you didn't disprove any of it. Everything I've said was factual. So I appreciate you confirming that I am being accurate.
I really really hope you're scum. That would justify everything you've said just being desperate to say anything to get the vote in your favor. And your lack of reasoning to take any point one step further in conclusion would make sense because you know that it doesn't work out but you're hoping it'll be enough to get the vote. That would be fine. I could mentally write that off as just someone trying to win a game that was heavily against them with the results of the first two lynches.
"lastly your role absolutely fit as scum, or even indie. mafia is already strong and u think their 4th would be my role? how bad of a host u take ratchet for? if there r 4 mafia, the last one wud have to be a goon or a weak cop role."
So you're saying I bussed two of my teammates with better roles than me, while I have the worst PR role. Yeah that's pretty stupid. Yet again another example of you trying to just throw out complete nonsense. Do you see how easy it is to SHOW how nonsense that is by just taking your own logic to the next step of conclusion? Does it sound stupid to you when I reword and show you what you're saying? Because it really should.
You said it fits as indie? How. HOW. Are we back to your "there's been a failed kill from a scum faction every night" theory? Because otherwise you're accusing me of being a kill-less indie. Which is absurd.
"so much flavor talk here. your flipped mates had fake claims that they used. despite their characters been good they were given fakes to probably not tie them together. my character is a setup spec bait, id have been given a fake claim as scum and/or my flavor would not have been appearing in every writeup."
You complained about the "flavor" talk I brought up, but you didn't disprove any of it. Everything I've said was factual. So I appreciate you confirming that I am being accurate.
I really really hope you're scum. That would justify everything you've said just being desperate to say anything to get the vote in your favor. And your lack of reasoning to take any point one step further in conclusion would make sense because you know that it doesn't work out but you're hoping it'll be enough to get the vote. That would be fine. I could mentally write that off as just someone trying to win a game that was heavily against them with the results of the first two lynches.
u saw flower's post about clive fitting as scum flavor wise and are trying to exploit it lmao. couldnt find an angle by gameplay so is resorting to the flavor angle lol
literally id have been given a fake claim if the scum team can all be solved like that
how much more do yall need to see how slimy this guy is
literally id have been given a fake claim if the scum team can all be solved like that
how much more do yall need to see how slimy this guy is
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the mafia being 4 is strictly a world you made up and i was showing u how even in that world u fit more as mafia than i do, both rolewise and play wise
wud u argue that ive been bussing 2 of my teammates as well? or heck defend one of them because i was busy pushing the other? why dont u take my day 1 posts and break it down see if im aligned with them or not?
i easily disapproved ur flavor angle. i wud have 100% be given a fake claim if clive is mafia and the game can be solved this easily. can u find a way to tie me with the mafia team without flavor angle? i'll wait
if the flavor is the only thing im sused for, and i was the second or third last player to claim, and i am mafia, give me 1 reason why wud i not be given a fake claim and why wud i not claim that fake? i could legitimately fake any role with any flavor other than clive and u will be denied the flavor angle entirely
there is nothing more to prove, u can add fancy words to ur sentences but it doesnt make them true. ive disproved yesterday that the logic u r using to discredit night kills is also invalid. there r many ways serial/mafia could fail their kills or kill the same person
you have yet to answer this question - why would ratchet make a mafia team of 4 players and have one of them be able to get double vote power, and have all 4 of them be power roles, instead of simply a 3 mafia team and an indie (or serial).
you're distancing urself from the indie possibility by trying to sell wacky night kill number calculations. u tried to pass mafia/serial kills as if they r being rng'ed yesterday, that was where u primarily messed up. i can easily see mafia shooting serial or serial abstaining to gain some sort of protection. your entire argument is trying to divert us from those possibilities and trying to pin me as mafia due to flavor, completely disregarding my play around the flipped mafia
wud u argue that ive been bussing 2 of my teammates as well? or heck defend one of them because i was busy pushing the other? why dont u take my day 1 posts and break it down see if im aligned with them or not?
i easily disapproved ur flavor angle. i wud have 100% be given a fake claim if clive is mafia and the game can be solved this easily. can u find a way to tie me with the mafia team without flavor angle? i'll wait
if the flavor is the only thing im sused for, and i was the second or third last player to claim, and i am mafia, give me 1 reason why wud i not be given a fake claim and why wud i not claim that fake? i could legitimately fake any role with any flavor other than clive and u will be denied the flavor angle entirely
there is nothing more to prove, u can add fancy words to ur sentences but it doesnt make them true. ive disproved yesterday that the logic u r using to discredit night kills is also invalid. there r many ways serial/mafia could fail their kills or kill the same person
you have yet to answer this question - why would ratchet make a mafia team of 4 players and have one of them be able to get double vote power, and have all 4 of them be power roles, instead of simply a 3 mafia team and an indie (or serial).
you're distancing urself from the indie possibility by trying to sell wacky night kill number calculations. u tried to pass mafia/serial kills as if they r being rng'ed yesterday, that was where u primarily messed up. i can easily see mafia shooting serial or serial abstaining to gain some sort of protection. your entire argument is trying to divert us from those possibilities and trying to pin me as mafia due to flavor, completely disregarding my play around the flipped mafia
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