[FNZ] Role Madness Final Fantasy XVI Mafia - Game Thread

[Michelle]

I am here.

Idk if it's useful for me to read the all no u thing because it's obvious it's one of Dante /Ekko.
I read Dante's defence and if I get it right it's mostly flavour stuff.
Flavour solvers would be happy with it but I am not.

Pointing out 2 mafia from the get go it's a good and beautiful skill, but not pushing any villager shows TMI. This is the strongest idea against Dante I have and it's just plain logic.

Any sane scum would kill Fuji. Now you see why I dislike claims?

Ekko is a good lawyer for himself, accepting the fact he can play like that as either alignament. I liked that.

I was in lylo before. I hate to choose the fate of a game
I have a couple of free hours, and I will vote today. Eod is too late for me, so I will be active no more than 3 hours before Eod.

 

[Michelle]

This is a terrible media form to convey these kinds of ideas across.
Because text has no tone. Its just what its read as. Which can result in people assuming the worst intention rather than the intended tone.

Maybe it would be better to have a discussion somewhere else off the forum after the game is over. Because I'm sure I can't express my viewpoint on why this is important to me over a forum post in comparison to better methods of communication.

This is true but also in mafia the game behaviour can show intention and that's what matters in the end.

I hope I can find the final wolf, at least I make the effort to have a logical choice.

Back to D1
Dante and Red Night

Hello.

Vote Lynch Dr. Watson

I think this is a scum opening, she doesn't even say "hello Mango"

I mean come on.

Sorry, do I know you?

OUTCH OUTCH OUTCH these two won't be aligned for sure!

That's interesting because I'm getting huge same alignment vibes.

i dunno

why?

Pure gut, without rhyme nor reason.

I have no knowledge about Dante's meta, but his scum reads came without much to back them up and I don't see an interest in these posts to find AI clues.
But when he posted reads, he had Red and Yoho as scum.
The reads are correct except Mango, but the 2 scum reads were the low poster wolves we lynched. Seems fabricated for me.

1 - Gambit - lean afk
2 - Emil - lean town
3 - SirDante - this is me, lean me
4 - Cubey - lean afk
5 - MangoSenpai - lean town
6 - Red Night - lean scum
7 - Michelle - lean afk
8 - Psylocke - lean town
9 - Lord Melkor - lean town
10 - Flower - lean town
11 - Yoho - lean scum
12 - Fujishiro - no lean just became active
13 - Dr. Watson - lean town

Overall, I expected from him to be more involved in solve than just pinning down 2 of the mafia team and having a weak banter with one of his scum reads.

Ekko and Mango

I'm laughing lmao



I didn't read all the pages, have been mostly AFK today, but Ekko jumping on that angle has to be a meme.
it's so dumb it can only be town

what a bad read

btw what angle r u talking about here? what do u think my take on voting based on gender is? i dont recall saying that here yet

This is looking so good for Ekko at psychological level, but let's say it also could be theatre.
I was scum with Ekko. He is logical and following a clear path to victory from the start, making the thread chaotic and tangling ideas, but here he jumped on Mango from the start.
Mango had a pretty good thread position. So bussing him wouldn't make much sense.

It's more understandable that Dante would bus 2 of his mates who were low posters than Ekko bussing his best positioned mate in a thread were town was so weak and accused each other.
(something in this sentence seems incorrect in English, hope Rarchet will forgive me)

Obtaining a mislynch would be very easy for Ekko D1, but he didn't fight for it.

Part one of this search is in Ekko's favor.

If @Flower can read and give me a confirmation of this idea it would be great

 

[SirDante]

This is true but also in mafia the game behaviour can show intention and that's what matters in the end.

I hope I can find the final wolf, at least I make the effort to have a logical choice.

Back to D1
Dante and Red Night


I have no knowledge about Dante's meta, but his scum reads came without much to back them up and I don't see an interest in these posts to find AI clues.
But when he posted reads, he had Red and Yoho as scum.
The reads are correct except Mango, but the 2 scum reads were the low poster wolves we lynched. Seems fabricated for me.

Overall, I expected from him to be more involved in solve than just pinning down 2 of the mafia team and having a weak banter with one of his scum reads.

Ekko and Mango


This is looking so good for Ekko at psychological level, but let's say it also could be theatre.
I was scum with Ekko. He is logical and following a clear path to victory from the start, making the thread chaotic and tangling ideas, but here he jumped on Mango from the start.
Mango had a pretty good thread position. So bussing him wouldn't make much sense.

It's more understandable that Dante would bus 2 of his mates who were low posters than Ekko bussing his best positioned mate in a thread were town was so weak and accused each other.
(something in this sentence seems incorrect in English, hope Rarchet will forgive me)

Obtaining a mislynch would be very easy for Ekko D1, but he didn't fight for it.

Part one of this search is in Ekko's favor.

If @Flower can read and give me a confirmation of this idea it would be great

I don’t see how you ignore Emil’s play today. That game critical vote made towards the start of this day phase is so incredibly scummy. And Flower just saying that is normal behavior for Emil is absolutely mind blowing. That it is normal ok behavior to short sight throw a game if !town. How that reads as anything but scum is wild.

It’s also more than a flavor solve. It’s a mechanical setup solve. I’ve shown the math works for a 4 squad mafia. And shown that with kill history there does not exist any evidence of a 3rd party indie. All PRs minus exactly one (which was a limited shot have been dominants. There’s only 8 Domiants in ff16.

• Clive Rosfield – Ifrit. - Emil claimed.
• Joshua Rosfield – Phoenix. - Mafia member confirmed
• Cidolfus Telamon – Ramuh. Mafia member confirmed
• Jill Warrick – Shiva. Mafia member confirmed
• Benedikta Harman – Garuda. - Town confirmed
• Hugo Kupka – Titan. - Town confirmed
• Dion Lesage – Bahamut. - Flower claimed
• Barnabas Tharmr – Town confirmed

Who or what else could I be? Because there’s no more Domiants available for me to be with the mafia team. They’re already all claimed out.

 

[Flower]

I still think 4 Mafia are too much tbh.

 

[Flower]

(And if they are Ekko still looks best out of us all).

 

[SirDante]

I still think 4 Mafia are too much tbh.

But how can it be an indie? We've got zero kill history 3 nights worth of actions in for any faction but a Mafia.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

I don’t see how you ignore Emil’s play today. That game critical vote made towards the start of this day phase is so incredibly scummy. And Flower just saying that is normal behavior for Emil is absolutely mind blowing. That it is normal ok behavior to short sight throw a game if !town. How that reads as anything but scum is wild.

It’s also more than a flavor solve. It’s a mechanical setup solve. I’ve shown the math works for a 4 squad mafia. And shown that with kill history there does not exist any evidence of a 3rd party indie. All PRs minus exactly one (which was a limited shot have been dominants. There’s only 8 Domiants in ff16.

• Clive Rosfield – Ifrit. - Emil claimed.
• Joshua Rosfield – Phoenix. - Mafia member confirmed
• Cidolfus Telamon – Ramuh. Mafia member confirmed
• Jill Warrick – Shiva. Mafia member confirmed
• Benedikta Harman – Garuda. - Town confirmed
• Hugo Kupka – Titan. - Town confirmed
• Dion Lesage – Bahamut. - Flower claimed
• Barnabas Tharmr – Town confirmed

Who or what else could I be? Because there’s no more Domiants available for me to be with the mafia team. They’re already all claimed out.

if its a team of 4 the last member cant be a strong role

ive never seen ratchet do that many scum players in a game of 13, and if he ever did it hes not gonna give them a role as versatile as mine while leaving town with 0 protective roles against a team of 4

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

also u keep saying my vote was scummy but u have ur vote on me for most of the day by now while im not voting on anyone

i voted u cuz i was that confident it has to be you. nothing scummy about that. if i was still making my mind i wouldnt have voted

 

[Michelle]

Can you elaborate on Yoho, Melkor and Psy, please?

No.

Vote Lynch Red Night

Why was your answer ro Red a 'no'?

 

[Flower]

But how can it be an indie? We've got zero kill history 3 nights worth of actions in for any faction but a Mafia.

 

[Flower]

Sorry, clicked send too early.

 

[Michelle]

You can't make me flavour solve Dante, besides if Ekko is the 4th mafia then town never had a balanced game starr.

 

[Michelle]

I found the OP saying the game is classic town vs mafia.
Why is that not important?

 

[Flower]

We've just played a game with a SK who never killed until Mafia was wiped and had the option to defend instead of kill. Ratchet played that, too. Sorry, but lack of kills is not an argument for me.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

fwiw dante wud have had a pretty good mafia game here, better than i wud have played tbf

im leaning more to him being indie and the mafia argument is a way to make me scummier to tie me by flavor

 

[SirDante]

Why was your answer ro Red a 'no'?

Because on Day 1 I'm looking for relationships between players. To see if someone would defend Red Night while the pressure was weak before I rolled out the ISO post. Scum is far more likely to defend a teammate when pressure looks like its easily deflected, rather than when there is something to actually argue over. Since we seem so invested on the "meta" argument for some god forsaken reason. That's why. Its the meta I've experienced that it is far easier to catch relationships between players before actually laying out reasons when something is weak and looks easily deflected.

 

[Flower]

I solve with reads and interactions and nobody really fits as the 4th scum, so I'm not interested in going that route. I rather assume another Magic type SK than a 4th Mafia.

 

[SirDante]

I found the OP saying the game is classic town vs mafia.
Why is that not important?

Seems that way to me.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

indie is also considered uninfored minority technically @Michelle

 

[Flower]

Michelle doesn't fit as a 4th scum either because she's still solving and could just tell me who to vote instead if she's scum.