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If One Piece fans were making fun of Naruto fans, it's because they weren't wise enough to realize that One Piece is about destiny.
Those other fans were just being obtuse for nothing

The moment Oda started saying Luffy is joyboy during FI, that's when it all started clicking OP is just a generic shonen
 
The mother flame was very similar to the thing BB pirates and Aokiji were discussing.
Pitch black, summon whirlpool on sea etc like the destruction of Lulusia.
And here we got info that mother flame was underwater.

But in sabo flashback it was from the sky NO??
And btw it was a "person" sailing a boat based on BB Aokiji conversation.
Excluding Sabo flashback where it was from the sky.........Mother flame depiction exactly fits what BB pirates were talking about.
 
I love people bitching about OP being bad because Luffy is carrying someone else's will even though there's a ton of great mangas/animes where the MC is the descendent of a really powerful and influential person and/or inherits their will
 
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