Powers & Abilities Maybe this is a hot take but Zoro has better CoO than Sanji. If anyone can post Sanji CoO feats that are better than Zoros I’ll concede.

[RoronoaZorro]

The logic is basic
- Luffy and Zoro are Natural Born Fighters, got a teacher and left TS at Commander level
- Sanji is Natural Born Loser, in flashback he was weakest among Judge's sons, got a teacher (Ivankov) and left TS as jobber level

Sanji can only be relevant with Judge's bloodline
He could be relevant pre TS, but the world is now bigger with New World and Sanji can't compete anymore without his family power

Don't give excuse about "no teacher", he got 1 too
He is just a loser
Jinbe and Lucci spent timeskip without teacher too but they are still relevant because they aren't losers

I think you're too prejudiced and it made you confused/forgot/modify the canon scenario.

Oda didn't show anything related to Iva and him teaching Sanji, unlike the thing with Ray & Mihawk. The flashbacks & events in that kingdom only involve the Okamas & recipe master thing.

Also, all mentorship in One Piece are always treated as positive by Oda. That didn't happen in Sanji-Iva case. Especially since one big moment in Sanji's intro is about expressing gratitude about being taught things.

You can label Sanji as loser and weak because there are indeed panels drawn by Oda showing that (Doffy/Vergo/King scene, Germa flashback). But it is also a fact that there is no panel showing Iva being Sanji's teacher.

Having opinion on Oda's actions for the char/plot is fine, but revising it is not.

 

[DonWick]

Zoro's never even fought one.

Like I've stated before Zoro and Sanji don't really have that many CoO feats between the two of them. But from the ones they do have Sanji has shown better mastery. Sanji dodging the jellybean is actually a big deal considering it was done by a FS (Advanced CoO) user. That's more impressive than anything Zoro has done with his observation haki.

Cap he fought Fujitora in Dressrosa and had a better showing than egghead Sanji. That’s not more impressive than Zoro and Kaku.

 

[Germinator]

It must be difficult being a #4 superfan realizing Oda's granted Sanji better defense...

Superior speed...

But also CoO, of which Oda has given particular attention each arc that he simply has not granted to Zoro

Fishman Island

Punk Hazard

Dressrosa, he sensed the aim of a man towards him on his walk with Viola

Wano; what arguments can be presented for Sanji, not once an occasion but twice, sensing things antecedent to Luffy?

Only Zolo yesmen will have the audacity to read this straight from the author and still post about Zoro having comparable, or superior worse yet, CoO

 

[Crow]

Am I the only one that feels like Zoro has better CoO than Sanji? This isn’t trolling or baiting I said it in a thread and the Sanji squad came after me. Zoro has multiple good CoO showings and Sanji doesn’t. His CoO feats are all gag related and situational therefore, useless.

Zoro was sleep and woke up to stop Kaku.
Saved Bonney and pinpointed her with CoO. Do you believe Zoro has better CoO than Sanji?

Based thread deserves the old dearly missed Gatsby emote in full quality

 

[Rukusho]

@DonWick sometimes you have some goated post & threads but then you say something like Luffy low-diffs Zoro.

 

[L57]

Only Zolo yesmen will have the audacity to read this straight from the author and still post about Zoro having comparable, or superior worse yet, CoO

That post doesnt say sanji has better coo than zoro lol ,its just says that thats his haki he s best at
That s like saying if bellamy best haki is coo means its better than zoro s

 

[BigAmmi]

No lol

But zoro has better reflexes than sanji

 

[Germinator]

That post doesnt say sanji has better coo than zoro lol ,its just says that thats his haki he s best at
That s like saying if bellamy best haki is coo means its better than zoro s

So true, and just because Zolos speciality is CoA, that doesn't mean his is any better than Sanjis

 

[L57]

So true, and just because Zolos speciality is CoA, that doesn't mean his is any better than Sanjis

Zoro has feats to back it up tho

 

[zenox]

So true, and just because Zolos speciality is CoA, that doesn't mean his is any better than Sanjis

very true , but his feats are so good that it aint even a debate

 

[Germinator]

Zoro has feats to back it up tho

Sanji has the feats to back up his CoO being superior, and the portrayal, like Oda designating it as his speciality

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very true , but his feats are so good that it aint even a debate

K so you guys tried getting semantic with Oda's quote, I applied the same logic against you

Now you are left with the conclusion of Oda's quote being supplanted by feats, which is correct as Zoro has better CoA feats, and Sanji has better CoO feats, and far more of them

 

[zenox]

Sanji has the feats to back up his CoO being superior,

like ?

and the portrayal, like Oda designating it as his speciality

we back to the specialty thing now ?

 

[Germinator]

like ?


we back to the specialty thing now ?

Just because Oda said Zolo speciality is CoA doesn't mean it's better than Sanjis, it just means it's what he's best at
That s like saying if bellamy best haki is coa means its better than Sanji

 

[DonWick]

Sanji has the feats to back up his CoO being superior, and the portrayal, like Oda designating it as his speciality

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K so you guys tried getting semantic with Oda's quote, I applied the same logic against you

Now you are left with the conclusion of Oda's quote being supplanted by feats, which is correct as Zoro has better CoA feats, and Sanji has better CoO feats, and far more of them

I don’t think you understood Odas quote. Luffys specialty is CoC that doesn’t mean Shanks doesn’t have better CoC than Luffy.

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@DonWick sometimes you have some goated post & threads but then you say something like Luffy low-diffs Zoro.

I’ll take the compliment, I know most people don’t agree with my Zoro ranking. Nevertheless, Zoro is still one of the goats in my book.

 

[zenox]

Just because Oda said Zolo speciality is CoA doesn't mean it's better than Sanjis, it just means it's what he's best at
That s like saying if bellamy best haki is coa means its better than Sanji

And I am agreeing with u
Just cause zoro’s specialty is armament haki , it doesn’t mean it’s better than sanji’s

But the very fact that his feats take a huge dump on sanji’s armament haki means his haki is way stronger

 

[L57]

Sanji has the feats to back up his CoO being superior, and the portrayal, like Oda designating it as his speciality

Dodging a jellybean and sensing women aint feats

 

[Sentry22]

Cap he fought Fujitora in Dressrosa and had a better showing than egghead Sanji. That’s not more impressive than Zoro and Kaku.

Are you seriously trying to argue that waking up from an attack is somehow superior feat to avoiding an attack from an advanced observation haki user?

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Zoro armament is so good that he has to use supreme magical weapons forged with the flames of a thousands vulcanos and folded a million times with the metal of the secret ancient people to even try to damage his enemies..
While sanjino kicks with Asics bought at a thrift shop..

 

[DonWick]

Are you seriously trying to argue that waking up from an attack is somehow superior feat to avoiding an attack from an advanced observation haki user?

It is one is conscious while the other isn’t. The Katakuri feat was only impressive until we saw Luffy do it over and over without ACoO while getting attacked by multiple people.

 

[Germinator]

Dodging a jellybean and sensing women aint feats

Thank you for cherry picking 2 CoO feats I posted and ignoring the other 4. Lol

Also they are feats, especially compared to the Moss which can't even follow a trail without getting lost

And I am agreeing with u
Just cause zoro’s specialty is armament haki , it doesn’t mean it’s better than sanji’s

I'm disagreeing with you though, Zoro's coa being his specialty necessarily entails being better at it than Sanji, and vice versa for Sanji being better with CoO due to specializing in it

Zoros CoA being better is supported by many feats, Sanji CoO being better is supported by many feats, Luffy's CoC being better is supported by many feats

Oda meant when he said it, these are their specialties. Lol

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I don’t think you understood Odas quote. Luffys specialty is CoC that doesn’t mean Shanks doesn’t have better CoC than Luffy

What way to understand it is there other than that among the Monster Trio, Luffy's CoC is better than Zoros, Zoros CoA is better than Sanjis, Sanji CoO is better than Zoros?

ZKKfans looking for nuance to overcomplicate the simplest shit ever from Oda ^