[FNZ] Super Role Madness Pokemon Chose your own starters

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Also *who* exactly would be attempting to "Frame" Ratchet here? Me? The dude is not frameable. Everyone mindlessly sheeps him no matter what he does lol. Like he's not a win condition for scum.

Which is, you know, why he's kinda normally killed by Day 1 or 2 in most games here? Not to say he's never lived this far as town, but it usually is less likely to.
 
Like it can‘t be a single extra kill? WHY WOULD THEY HAVE TWO FACTION KILLS AND RATCHET‘s 2 OTHER KILLS.

Gosh.
Flower idk why you're internalizing OLF ranked game logic in an SRM game. This is a game with presumably no SK. Even you gave extra kills in a ranked game

They probably got extra kills by meeting some condition, or getting a legendary. This isn't even a reach?
 
Also *who* exactly would be attempting to "Frame" Ratchet here? Me? The dude is not frameable. Everyone mindlessly sheeps him no matter what he does lol. Like he's not a win condition for scum.

Which is, you know, why he's kinda normally killed by Day 1 or 2 in most games here? Not to say he's never lived this far as town, but it usually is less likely to.
Think hard about this. If you are Town and he is Town WHY WOULD THEY EVER KILL HIM.

Ultra, why are YOU still alive? If you‘re Town you should realize by now because you must be horribly wrong somewhere.
 
Like it's infuriating to be told by these two chucklefucks that my copping Mango was the most retarded idea ever, for some reason, and then in the blink of an eye they have progressed to "by the way I shot mango and he needs to go today"

???

Frankly I don't really have a compelling defense for Mango here except that currently I smell smoke given what information I have available to me
 
Think hard about this. If you are Town and he is Town WHY WOULD THEY EVER KILL HIM.

Ultra, why are YOU still alive? If you‘re Town you should realize by now because you must be horribly wrong somewhere.
Flower he's literally setting me up for a mislynch you numbskull. Read his fucking posts

Ratchet has a limited amount of players he can actually afford to push mislynches into because most players can't actually play scum to save their lives
 
Flower idk why you're internalizing OLF ranked game logic in an SRM game. This is a game with presumably no SK. Even you gave extra kills in a ranked game

They probably got extra kills by meeting some condition, or getting a legendary. This isn't even a reach?
Aren't you the one winning the legendaries?
 
You'd have an argument if I was alive and all he's done was hard town me but he's literally been keeping me at arm's reach all game to save me for a future hang. You can't be blind to the angle here, you're just not willing to unpack all your baggage and tunneling to see it
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
To explain how I got to this, I was never satisfied with where we were with the PoE. It did not add up. I pointed out why it didn't make sense for Scum Orca to be making himself look worse. And AM, probably not scheming much. So I was already side eyeing Ultra. Then I needed to think about how he could be scum with all the information I know, and my conclusion was the most likely thought process was he busses early and then oushes town. He gets multiple scum mates on the bus and hopes at least one gets cleared from it. Bussing in SRM in terrible but that's another matter.

Yesterday Ultra pushes for Orca, instead of Reloaded. He was fine going for Xenos, but once Xenos gets cleared off, he brings Orca up. Then I go back and I see him defend Mango when Mango says he was likely to be mislynched. And most of his defence is word salad nonsense that doesn't actually make a point. So at that point I was convinced that we lived in that scenario.

There are some parts I don't like. I can't quite grasp a scum Neeko thought process, nor can I grasp a Mango one. But that was why I shot him - from his claim I knew he wasn't town, and I'd get a good approximation of his threat level if he survived. If he flipped town, then shoot, but at least then I know I can have a bit more confidence in the AM/Orca direction. If he flips Mafia then I've identified a scum mate, and I had Psychic as a possible 3rd. And if Indie, I'd be somewhere in the middle.

I think Ultra's reaction to my entrance gives him away all things considered. He hasn't talked about Mango blocked YTW, he's looked instead to induce paranoia without addressing the obvious issue with his version of events. I think regardless of what Mango flips he is probably not town either. Possibly the Indie and Mango is scum.

But I think my favourite solution would be Ultra as scum with Mango. Here, he claims an innocent to clear the slot, and gets some backlash for the choice of investigation being suboptimal. Mango tries to shore that up by presenting himself as an easy mislynch, which Ultra is all too happy to assert support of. Then he pushes Melkor. He probably thought I would stop thinking at a certain point, or that I would get content with the PoE when I could tell there were issues with what we were going along with. He gets Mango to bus Reloaded while he tries to get other directions going off. If there is another scum mate here, it's possible that it's someone like Pot or AM. I know it won't be Xenos, Flower, Orca. But we can cross that bridge when we come to it.

In either case, they both need to go. Next time, Ultra, don't take classes from the Magic School of Scumming - unceremoniously bussing mates avails you naught!



And if you're Indie, make it less obvious that you're not actually sided with the town!
 
To explain how I got to this, I was never satisfied with where we were with the PoE. It did not add up. I pointed out why it didn't make sense for Scum Orca to be making himself look worse. And AM, probably not scheming much. So I was already side eyeing Ultra. Then I needed to think about how he could be scum with all the information I know, and my conclusion was the most likely thought process was he busses early and then oushes town. He gets multiple scum mates on the bus and hopes at least one gets cleared from it. Bussing in SRM in terrible but that's another matter.

Yesterday Ultra pushes for Orca, instead of Reloaded. He was fine going for Xenos, but once Xenos gets cleared off, he brings Orca up. Then I go back and I see him defend Mango when Mango says he was likely to be mislynched. And most of his defence is word salad nonsense that doesn't actually make a point. So at that point I was convinced that we lived in that scenario.

There are some parts I don't like. I can't quite grasp a scum Neeko thought process, nor can I grasp a Mango one. But that was why I shot him - from his claim I knew he wasn't town, and I'd get a good approximation of his threat level if he survived. If he flipped town, then shoot, but at least then I know I can have a bit more confidence in the AM/Orca direction. If he flips Mafia then I've identified a scum mate, and I had Psychic as a possible 3rd. And if Indie, I'd be somewhere in the middle.

I think Ultra's reaction to my entrance gives him away all things considered. He hasn't talked about Mango blocked YTW, he's looked instead to induce paranoia without addressing the obvious issue with his version of events. I think regardless of what Mango flips he is probably not town either. Possibly the Indie and Mango is scum.

But I think my favourite solution would be Ultra as scum with Mango. Here, he claims an innocent to clear the slot, and gets some backlash for the choice of investigation being suboptimal. Mango tries to shore that up by presenting himself as an easy mislynch, which Ultra is all too happy to assert support of. Then he pushes Melkor. He probably thought I would stop thinking at a certain point, or that I would get content with the PoE when I could tell there were issues with what we were going along with. He gets Mango to bus Reloaded while he tries to get other directions going off. If there is another scum mate here, it's possible that it's someone like Pot or AM. I know it won't be Xenos, Flower, Orca. But we can cross that bridge when we come to it.

In either case, they both need to go. Next time, Ultra, don't take classes from the Magic School of Scumming - unceremoniously bussing mates avails you naught!



And if you're Indie, make it less obvious that you're not actually sided with the town!
Flower will unironically read this post and go "Yeah this isn't scum Ratchet gratuitously doing a victory lap"
 
@Flower look lady you're probably the only uncompromised player here who I can even hope to get a point across to (really sad state of affairs)

I'm not gonna defend Mango in any way shape or form, feel free to evaluate on his own merits when he comes on and claims or whatever. I expect some shenanigans at play here

But can you ask yourself do you think Magic really truly unironically makes the ploy of almost lynching Polar, as scum, and then subbing the fuck out, *as scum*

Ratchet/Prof were literally telling me this was indefensible perspective yesterday and not Ratchet is pitching we're scum mates. There's no way you believe this. 0% chance he does this crap *as mafia*
 
So apparently the scum team has an extra faction kill, 2 more kills from Ratchet‘s poison and Prof can join them as a +1 and to top things off they also have 2 game removals and an infinite copy ability for kills which they could use on Xenos to kill even nights, too?
 
like you can't make this shit up, I attempted to check there knowing as town Mango would be a likely mislynch down the line and these clowns not only insulted me for considering it, but are not doing it themselves
 
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