Powers & Abilities Maybe this is a hot take but Zoro has better CoO than Sanji. If anyone can post Sanji CoO feats that are better than Zoros I’ll concede.
He cannot sense intent.
He can dodge because of the ability of observation haki that already grants the users levels of precog. Pacifistas don't have a soul mor emotion. So their intent cannot be sensed yet luffy still dodged them.
And your point with sanji sensing intent is piss poor since he did not sense the intent of queen while queen was invisible. He also did not sense the intent of black Maria and her subordinates. So either you are saying that his ability to sense intent is there but completely ASS and garbage or that he lacks it completely. Pick one.
Yip pretimeskip zoro dodging lazers point black > any version or post sanji doing lazers post timeskip. And that was a zoro without observation compared to a sanji with observation haki
I dont even know how this is a discussion.
The only one of them that has had any actual proper CoO feats is Sanji.
Everything either one of them has done combat wise the other has basically matched and to suggest otherwise is just weird.
They've both dodged laser beams, both dodged point blank attacks and both been hit with attacks that make these previous feats not really relevant.
Im not sure why anyone is trying to argue that dodging Luccis hand pistol is more impressive than Sanji dodging multiple actual laser beams or a Jelly been shot from someone who can read his movements with future site.
Sanji also has an abundance of actual insane CoO feats like sensing people from large distances away - such as when he found Kinnemons body parts at the bottom of the water, or finding Bonney in a large group of people hundreds of metres away.
Oda consistently shows other characters like Luffy and Franky being amazed by Sanjis observation haki. This is not a coincidence.
Zoros observation haki is on the same level as Sanjis armament- not great but still alot better then most other pirates.
Not too long ago Sanji speed blitzed the laser beam being shot at Vegapunk Edison and Zoro had no idea he was anywhere near him until Sanji was standing right next to him.
This is not even a discussion.
The only one of them that has had any actual proper CoO feats is Sanji.
Everything either one of them has done combat wise the other has basically matched and to suggest otherwise is just weird.
They've both dodged laser beams, both dodged point blank attacks and both been hit with attacks that make these previous feats not really relevant.
Im not sure why anyone is trying to argue that dodging Luccis hand pistol is more impressive than Sanji dodging multiple actual laser beams or a Jelly been shot from someone who can read his movements with future site.
Sanji also has an abundance of actual insane CoO feats like sensing people from large distances away - such as when he found Kinnemons body parts at the bottom of the water, or finding Bonney in a large group of people hundreds of metres away.
Oda consistently shows other characters like Luffy and Franky being amazed by Sanjis observation haki. This is not a coincidence.
Zoros observation haki is on the same level as Sanjis armament- not great but still alot better then most other pirates.
Not too long ago Sanji speed blitzed the laser beam being shot at Vegapunk Edison and Zoro had no idea he was anywhere near him until Sanji was standing right next to him.
This is not even a discussion.
Franky being amazed doesn't mean much
And the only time luffy was amazed was because of a Gag. Him and jinbe thought that sanji sensed a powerful threat that those two did not sense. So they praised sanji with fake knowledge. Only for us readers to realized that sanji didn't sense a threat at all and instead sense a FALSE situation with people tricking him.
You know what that means right? It means that black Maria sense the intent of tricking sanji hence why she created the fake situation to taunt sanji from a huge distance. And it worked. This suggests that black Maria's observation haki is incredible
And the only time luffy was amazed was because of a Gag. Him and jinbe thought that sanji sensed a powerful threat that those two did not sense. So they praised sanji with fake knowledge. Only for us readers to realized that sanji didn't sense a threat at all and instead sense a FALSE situation with people tricking him.
You know what that means right? It means that black Maria sense the intent of tricking sanji hence why she created the fake situation to taunt sanji from a huge distance. And it worked. This suggests that black Maria's observation haki is incredible
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Yes you do. Because based on feats nothing remotely suggests that sanjis observation haki is better.
He gets tag by opponents slower than zoros opponents.
He cannot sense intent in comparison to luffy and zoro. We know this based on the fact that he did not sense black Maria's intent and her ladies intent to completely trick sanji.
We also know this since sanji couldn't sense the intent of kiku hiding a secret from the strawhats. BUT ZORO IMMEDIATELY DID.
In the start of wano zoro also deduced and sensed whom the actual killer was who tried to frame zoro.
Zoro and luffy are also able to sense INANIMATE OBJECTS. ITEMS THAT DONT EVEN GIVE OFF INTENT LOL. Zoro has sense the location of blades in general and liquor. While luffy has sensed meat and pacifistas. Luffy used future sight in Egghead and saw exactly what the pacifista was going to do and where it was approaching from
He gets tag by opponents slower than zoros opponents.
He cannot sense intent in comparison to luffy and zoro. We know this based on the fact that he did not sense black Maria's intent and her ladies intent to completely trick sanji.
We also know this since sanji couldn't sense the intent of kiku hiding a secret from the strawhats. BUT ZORO IMMEDIATELY DID.
In the start of wano zoro also deduced and sensed whom the actual killer was who tried to frame zoro.
Zoro and luffy are also able to sense INANIMATE OBJECTS. ITEMS THAT DONT EVEN GIVE OFF INTENT LOL. Zoro has sense the location of blades in general and liquor. While luffy has sensed meat and pacifistas. Luffy used future sight in Egghead and saw exactly what the pacifista was going to do and where it was approaching from
B-but Sanji sensing people from afar is just cause he likes women and it's gags!!!11
No but, seriously, well-said and may as well close this obvious bait thread now unless it'd be fair to open a thread equally clownish and opposed to manga portrayal, such as "What diff does Montd'Or beat Akainu?"
No but, seriously, well-said and may as well close this obvious bait thread now unless it'd be fair to open a thread equally clownish and opposed to manga portrayal, such as "What diff does Montd'Or beat Akainu?"
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Yeah. Its just weird, and the arguments in this thread are really poor.
“Zoro woke up from Kaku- Okay but Sanii woke up from Luffys gear 5 which was much further away.
“Zoro dodged Lucci and caught his sword” again ok but Sanji dodges a future site user aiming mochi bullet at his head, and has dodged point blank bullet fire before, and laser beams multiple times.
“Zoro can sense peoples feelings” - Yes so can Sanji, he has done it multiple times with Pudding and Violet.
This thread is just weird behaviour. Zoro has never actually ever had a stand out CoO feat and Sanji has, yet theres a whole thread on here arguing that Zoro’s is better because he dodged a dude in a fight. Its completely ridiculous.
Sanji specifically focussed on his observation haki during the time-skip to avoid being molested by the okamas, Oda just doesnt go out of his way to Show Sanjis haki feats. We have yet to see him use black coating armament haki- yet simple marines can do it. Do you really think Sanji is unable to use it because Oda hasnt drawn it before?
Theres even a line in a Vivre card databook under a picture of Sanji that reads “By reading the movement of signs and emotions, you can grasp the surrounding situation and avoid danger. Some people see the future a little ahead due to extraordinary discipline.”
OP has also posted this to almost every online One Piece forum including reddit so they are looking for some weird Zoro validation or something.
Yeah. Its just weird, and the arguments in this thread are really poor.
“Zoro woke up from Kaku- Okay but Sanii woke up from Luffys gear 5 which was much further away.
“Zoro dodged Lucci and caught his sword” again ok but Sanji dodges a future site user aiming mochi bullet at his head, and has dodged point blank bullet fire before, and laser beams multiple times.
“Zoro can sense peoples feelings” - Yes so can Sanji, he has done it multiple times with Pudding and Violet.
This thread is just weird behaviour. Zoro has never actually ever had a stand out CoO feat and Sanji has, yet theres a whole thread on here arguing that Zoro’s is better because he dodged a dude in a fight. Its completely ridiculous.
Sanji specifically focussed on his observation haki during the time-skip to avoid being molested by the okamas, Oda just doesnt go out of his way to Show Sanjis haki feats. We have yet to see him use black coating armament haki- yet simple marines can do it. Do you really think Sanji is unable to use it because Oda hasnt drawn it before?
Theres even a line in a Vivre card databook under a picture of Sanji that reads “By reading the movement of signs and emotions, you can grasp the surrounding situation and avoid danger. Some people see the future a little ahead due to extraordinary discipline.”
OP has also posted this to almost every online One Piece forum including reddit so they are looking for some weird Zoro validation or something.
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Lol so if they get shit on 1 forum they at least have 3 or 4 other potential forums where their fellow Zcockriders can wankfest their thread with support
Here's how their argument goes
"We've only seen Sanji's CoO reach that degree of range and precision with women, therefore it can only be with women"
Total shit single digit iq logic, I guess then if someone like Luffy was in mortal danger Sanji wouldn't be able to locate him (he's not a woman)
Throughout the series we know that CoO sensing is people seeing their soul / spiritual presence. We know that via Rayleigh, Coby, Aisa, or the famous and blatantly shown Usopp's and Fujitora's vision in Dressrosa.
But when it comes to Sanji, it apparently doesn't work like that? So a soul can be male and female? Single digit IQ is a praise 🤣
But when it comes to Sanji, it apparently doesn't work like that? So a soul can be male and female? Single digit IQ is a praise 🤣
Zoros coo isn’t better then sanjis sanji has numerous coo feasts far surpassing zoros and the implication that he has adv coo with the jellybean dodge being portrayed just like luffy dodging flampes needle and the attempts to downplay it are just more then attempts to downplay sanjis feats it’s like the attempts to brush stuff off as a gag
mihawk being called the clairvoyant is irrelevant for zoros current coo zoro will end up fighting shilew so he will be forced to bloom his observation to deal with the invisibility.
It seems to me that the attempts to downplay sanjis coo is desperation because they can’t accept that zoros rival and equal is a cook that his sole focus isn’t fighting (when sanji being a fighter was established from the start ) and they convinced themselves that sanji being a hypetool or taking an l will change the fact that zoro and sanji are close in strength zoro would have gotten stomped by doffy zoro would have fared little better against Saturn etc
to be frank luffy is way beyond zoros level and post timeskip luffy was always above zoro and sanji
Even at the end of the story zoros coo will be less then sanjis coo. Zoro is the mihawk to sanjis shanks they will always be close to
mihawk being called the clairvoyant is irrelevant for zoros current coo zoro will end up fighting shilew so he will be forced to bloom his observation to deal with the invisibility.
It seems to me that the attempts to downplay sanjis coo is desperation because they can’t accept that zoros rival and equal is a cook that his sole focus isn’t fighting (when sanji being a fighter was established from the start ) and they convinced themselves that sanji being a hypetool or taking an l will change the fact that zoro and sanji are close in strength zoro would have gotten stomped by doffy zoro would have fared little better against Saturn etc
to be frank luffy is way beyond zoros level and post timeskip luffy was always above zoro and sanji
Even at the end of the story zoros coo will be less then sanjis coo. Zoro is the mihawk to sanjis shanks they will always be close to
Zoro's best COO feat is sensing an attack whiles sleeping. This feat is paralleled with Whitebeard's feat of sensing Ace's attack while sleeping. Noting that this was prime Whitebeard, it shows the level of Zoro's feat. In addition, when Luffy was trying to counter Katakuri's FS, Luffy’s use of unconscious COO (bases on Ray's words) allowed him to start countering FS. This directly implies that Zoro's feat falls under this category of COO level.
Now Sanji does not have any feat on that level. In fact he has negative feats implying he does not have unconscious COO
Now Sanji does not have any feat on that level. In fact he has negative feats implying he does not have unconscious COO