Controversial Three Great Heaven Agenda
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If it wasn't for the King Renpa I would've dropped this mid Manga long ago
He might get a 10 chapter's worth fight and duel, Shin kills him at the time of the unification, Renpa smiles at him before drawing his last breath telling him he's proud of the runts of the new era
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Alright guys, so we all know Ousen will redeem himself eventually, and Ousen of course is already an impeccable general, being compared to Hakuki multiple times by credible sources and all that.
However,
Will the Qin 6 agenda ever recover from Hango? Will Qin 6 vs Zhao 3 ever again be a debate? This was a war where, effectively, Riboku and Shibashou brutally mangled Ousen and Yotanwa. I mean the two 3GHs basically curbstomped two of the Qin 6.
Obviously the Qin 6 are not frauds, they are among the strongest commanders ever, but will the Qin 6 ever be able to be compared to the Zhao 3 again? Or will Kakukai be the one with the last laugh? Lol
Alright guys, so we all know Ousen will redeem himself eventually, and Ousen of course is already an impeccable general, being compared to Hakuki multiple times by credible sources and all that.
However,
Will the Qin 6 agenda ever recover from Hango? Will Qin 6 vs Zhao 3 ever again be a debate? This was a war where, effectively, Riboku and Shibashou brutally mangled Ousen and Yotanwa. I mean the two 3GHs basically curbstomped two of the Qin 6.
Obviously the Qin 6 are not frauds, they are among the strongest commanders ever, but will the Qin 6 ever be able to be compared to the Zhao 3 again? Or will Kakukai be the one with the last laugh? Lol
Just reread the war now that it's all over. I don't think this does anything for the Qin 6 vs Zhao 3 agenda at all lol. Rather only impact is on the Riboku agenda and how much you want to Stan him over it.
The framing of SBS and Riboku owning YTW and Ousen is also a bit disingenuous imo. YTW didn't get dismantled this war, rather she was held at bay by a powerful army that rivals Seika. Even if you don't want to believe Bananji is Zhao 3 level or sum, the combination of SSJ and Bananji is EASILY a Zhao 3 level general. That battlefield as far as we know was a stalemate.
What truly happened is Riboku and Sbs owned Ousen and Shin. But in particularly Shin. Ousen at Shukai showed HSU is a high value strategical piece for him in their ability to completely change a battlefield. At Shukai they were his most valuable piece. Him sending Shin as his arrow at Kisui. Then sending em to the opposite wing to help out Akou and Ouhon. Then having his endgame strategy revolve around the HSU's capability to breakthrough and pincer Riboku. And before that him having the expectation that Shin would be able to awaken his army and handle that battlefield even with Akou's fall. This battlefield was no different.
What Riboku effectively did was take away Ousen's best piece away from him, the HSU. Which allowed Riboku's best piece to be as effective as they were, Seika army. Not only is Ousen's best piece negated, his 2nd best piece is also negated from get go ... Akou.
What exactly is Ousen meant to do at that point? Strategies are only as effective as the tools you have to utilize them with. The seika army is man to man superior. They also by that point just had superior commanders leading them. Hell Hara had to write two non-sense moments in order to even make it look like Ousen commanders could do something to Seika, Shiryou vs Jiaga where Jiaga went brain dead, Akou's horse turning into a ballerina to have him avoid dying before even reaching the Ousen Army. Kansaro was virtually unchecked, no bum on the Ousen army was gonna do shit to them.
But ultimately it all starts from the HSU being negated, and props to Riboku for finally realizing it and not underrating them like Shukai. I think people don't realize the importance of the HSU being negated and how HUGE of a limit it put on Ousen strategically. HSU being negated effectively took out 3 generals from the Qin side Kyoukai/Shin/Ten(she's essentially been a general since Shukai), all 3 of which are big game changers with their strategicall ability and two of them with martial ability. But also it effectively removed 5 powerhouses capable of countering Seika's powerhouses, Shin, Kyoukai, Kyourei and the archer bros. You bet Ousen knows about HSU's prowess in detail.
It was all downhill for Ousen once Akou and Shin fucked up and fell into traps. At that point it was only a moment of time. People who were expecting Ousen to do some strategies like Shukai Plains like he did in the head to head against Riboku... that shit only worked because Ousen and Boku had equivalent pieces at there. Wasn't the case in this matchup.
So I mean all this war did was just assert Riboku > Ousen something we've been clearing about since Shukai. And establishing Riboku as the top dog of China as he's made Zhao a powerhouse again.
The framing of SBS and Riboku owning YTW and Ousen is also a bit disingenuous imo. YTW didn't get dismantled this war, rather she was held at bay by a powerful army that rivals Seika. Even if you don't want to believe Bananji is Zhao 3 level or sum, the combination of SSJ and Bananji is EASILY a Zhao 3 level general. That battlefield as far as we know was a stalemate.
What truly happened is Riboku and Sbs owned Ousen and Shin. But in particularly Shin. Ousen at Shukai showed HSU is a high value strategical piece for him in their ability to completely change a battlefield. At Shukai they were his most valuable piece. Him sending Shin as his arrow at Kisui. Then sending em to the opposite wing to help out Akou and Ouhon. Then having his endgame strategy revolve around the HSU's capability to breakthrough and pincer Riboku. And before that him having the expectation that Shin would be able to awaken his army and handle that battlefield even with Akou's fall. This battlefield was no different.
What Riboku effectively did was take away Ousen's best piece away from him, the HSU. Which allowed Riboku's best piece to be as effective as they were, Seika army. Not only is Ousen's best piece negated, his 2nd best piece is also negated from get go ... Akou.
What exactly is Ousen meant to do at that point? Strategies are only as effective as the tools you have to utilize them with. The seika army is man to man superior. They also by that point just had superior commanders leading them. Hell Hara had to write two non-sense moments in order to even make it look like Ousen commanders could do something to Seika, Shiryou vs Jiaga where Jiaga went brain dead, Akou's horse turning into a ballerina to have him avoid dying before even reaching the Ousen Army. Kansaro was virtually unchecked, no bum on the Ousen army was gonna do shit to them.
But ultimately it all starts from the HSU being negated, and props to Riboku for finally realizing it and not underrating them like Shukai. I think people don't realize the importance of the HSU being negated and how HUGE of a limit it put on Ousen strategically. HSU being negated effectively took out 3 generals from the Qin side Kyoukai/Shin/Ten(she's essentially been a general since Shukai), all 3 of which are big game changers with their strategicall ability and two of them with martial ability. But also it effectively removed 5 powerhouses capable of countering Seika's powerhouses, Shin, Kyoukai, Kyourei and the archer bros. You bet Ousen knows about HSU's prowess in detail.
It was all downhill for Ousen once Akou and Shin fucked up and fell into traps. At that point it was only a moment of time. People who were expecting Ousen to do some strategies like Shukai Plains like he did in the head to head against Riboku... that shit only worked because Ousen and Boku had equivalent pieces at there. Wasn't the case in this matchup.
So I mean all this war did was just assert Riboku > Ousen something we've been clearing about since Shukai. And establishing Riboku as the top dog of China as he's made Zhao a powerhouse again.
I don't think it changes much in the bigger picture
Shibashou proved his worth in a head on clash, but I'd still give Moubu crushing Kanmei and his army the edge in that aspect of warfare
As for Hango, while Riboku and SBS did end up beating Ousen, you have to wonder whether such victory is possible under different circumstances. Zhao does have the home terrain advantage among others such as intel and numbers, and Riboku did use these advantages to the best of his ability which is what makes him good.
In different scenarios the 3GH might find themselves in trouble, it's just that this time they're the ones on the defense
For someone like Riboku I'm giving him the edge over any Qin6 bar Ousen who is on his level, and I'm pretty confident their next clash will prove me right. Ousen already outplayed Riboku on a strategical level in Gyou, and Riboku returned the favor in Hango
I'd like to hear your predictions the next Zhao vs Qin battle
But yeah since we only have 2 3GH atm, you can say on average they are better lol
Will they recover in direct matchups? Definitely, next war will be either a stalemate or slightly in Qin's favor imo
Shibashou proved his worth in a head on clash, but I'd still give Moubu crushing Kanmei and his army the edge in that aspect of warfare
As for Hango, while Riboku and SBS did end up beating Ousen, you have to wonder whether such victory is possible under different circumstances. Zhao does have the home terrain advantage among others such as intel and numbers, and Riboku did use these advantages to the best of his ability which is what makes him good.
In different scenarios the 3GH might find themselves in trouble, it's just that this time they're the ones on the defense
For someone like Riboku I'm giving him the edge over any Qin6 bar Ousen who is on his level, and I'm pretty confident their next clash will prove me right. Ousen already outplayed Riboku on a strategical level in Gyou, and Riboku returned the favor in Hango
I'd like to hear your predictions the next Zhao vs Qin battle
But yeah since we only have 2 3GH atm, you can say on average they are better lol
Will they recover in direct matchups? Definitely, next war will be either a stalemate or slightly in Qin's favor imo