One piece chapter 1116: Conflict

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Unlurking just to say that we now know why Shakky's bar is up on top of a tall hill with an enormous staircase. She and Ray probably choose Sabaody in part bc they knew a flood was coming and there are multiple safe escape options for them there.

They could stay on the hill, escape through bubbles or go down to FI if they really needed to, plus they're close to MJ so they can keep tabs on what's happening. Sabaody is a good place to station up to watch and wait.

Also, Mihawk's nomadic lifestyle makes more sense when you think about how he's just preparing for Waterworld 2.0. When he actually settled down and chose a home, he picked a tall castle on an island with a lot of hills.

Also, the royal palace on Dressrosa was very tall. I wonder who built it that way. Was it Riku's family or the original Doflamingos who built their home so high up, and how much did they know?

Relurking now.

Edit: and Thriller Bark, too
 
Not sure timeline nore scales can be used with Oda.
But agree there is still 'That' guy.

When we discover Robot, VP is inside.
That's the moment he put it in.
I think, it could have been for example Shaka or Pythagoras, who put the snail int he giant. Someone, Oda did not show us acting around the time of the time-skip and after.
 
Unlurking just to say that we now know why Shakky's bar is up on top of a tall hill with an enormous staircase. She and Ray probably choose Sabaody in part bc they knew a flood was coming and there are multiple safe escape options for them there.

They could stay on the hill, escape through bubbles or go down to FI if they really needed to, plus they're close to MJ so they can keep tabs on what's happening. Sabaody is a good place to station up to watch and wait.

Also, Mihawk's nomadic lifestyle makes more sense when you think about how he's just preparing for Waterworld 2.0. When he actually settled down and chose a home, he picked a tall castle on an island with a lot of hills.

Also, the royal palace on Dressrosa was very tall. I wonder who built it that way. Was it Riku's family or the original Doflamingos who built their home so high up, and how much did they know?

Relurking now.

Edit: and Thriller Bark, too
Welcome back good to see you again :myman:
 
We can make some very good analytical revelations here:

First York mentiones that the timeline is messed up and she cannot come up with why Vegapunk knew the mother flame had been partly stolen and was being used on Lulusia. In other words: If the Stellar had known of Lulusia being destroyed with the help of the mother-flame, York would have known too. But the Stellar showed genuine surprise that York was a traitor - so he did not know of her betrayal. This means that at the time of York’s revelation of being the traitor, Vegapunk had not known that the mother-flame was used on Lulusia and that York had stolen it (Note: Oda left it also open, when Vegapunk came to know that part of the flame was stolen. In his message the Stellar did not specify when he noticed it missing.). This means he must have found out about the mother flame being used on Lulusia during the time-skip.

Which brings me to the next little thing, that we now have to look at:

In his recorded message to the world however, the Stellar apologizes for being part in the destruction of Lulusia. Since he did not know that the mother flame was used to destroay Lulusia beforehand, and learned about it during the time-skip, Vegapunk must have also recorded the message during the time-skip. Otherwise he would not have apologized to the world for his involvement in that sad incident. This means that Shaka and Phytagoras are still alive, as we see them recording the message with the Stellar.

What is strange however is the fact that Vegapunk in his recorded message is missing the band aid on his forehead, which he had, when the time-skip had ended and we saw him with the whole crew again in chapter 1089.

Either this is a mistake by Oda or the Stellar did record the message earlier, but didn’t tell York. In this case it is questionable, if Vegapunk knew that there was someone in his near vicinity, who was betraying him and therefore did not share all information with all his Satellites. Who the Stellar knew he was able to trust is another question, we would need to have an answer for - in that case.


But in case option number one is correct:

We still have the fact that the snail is with the giant robot. Interesting is that the robot is in the Fabrio-phase, not in the Labo-phase. This is important, since we have to consider something very strange:

Stellar was not aware of York being a traitor. So, until she revealed herself as being one, Vegapunk shared everything with her through sychronisation of their thoughts/brains. If Vegapunk had hidden the transponder snail within the giant before this revelation, York would have already known, where it was. This was not the case, so the snail must have been hidden after York was revealed to be a traitor - and therefore deemed untrustworthy. This means that during the time, the snail was hidden, the barrier was either up and locked with York’s code-word – in this case someone in the Fabrio-phase could have helped with putting it with the giant. But this begs the question, how the snail or information could have come through the barrier to reach this someone?

Or the snail could have been hidden with the robot after the barrier had come down. In this case, we need to know, who it was, who hid it with the giant, because everyone Oda depicted had not done so. This means that an unknown party did hide the snail. And we know that an undefined party was already giving Luffy food.
York turned off her syncing with Punk Records after stealing the Mother Flame, which means not only does the others not know what she knows, the vice versa is true. York knew about Lulusia when it occurred and then made the recording. What he didn’t know was who used the weapon.

The timeline fits fine.
 
The real question here, who wants tl sink the world?

As Vegapunk said, Joy Boy passed the ancient weapons so they could use it again, then we have Imu using an ancient weapon.

Both seem to want to sink the world, as a chess game.

Everyone wants to know who is good and who is wrong. What if there isnt evil or right here? Just a game.

Otherwise I dont see Luffy wanting to be part of it. Save the world? He has said it many times, he doesn't want to be a hero.
 
They just know that if Rayleigh and the Roger pirates wanted to do something they would've done it already

Imu doesn’t seem like the type to allow it because of what Robin been through. I guess knowing the truth with a closed mouth is fine, but a person that can learn the truth with the next generation is not. I would still think CP would still make a visit to the old pk crew
 
Imu doesn’t seem like the type to allow it because of what Robin been through. I guess knowing the truth with a closed mouth is fine, but a person that can learn the truth with the next generation is not. I would still think CP would still make a visit to the old pk crew
They definitely pursued them after they disbanded, maybe that's the reason why Rayleigh was in a mortal situation and needed saving from Hachi, though sending CP0 after Rayleigh is asking for dead CP0, must've been someone else (maybe Mihawk too)
 
The WG likely didn’t know that the roger pirates knew everything.
I can’t buy it. Why was Roger and his offspring considered not allowed to live? Doesn’t have to be everything; they learned enough to warrant a death penalty. I would expect that energy for all crew members
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They definitely pursued them after they disbanded, maybe that's the reason why Rayleigh was in a mortal situation and needed saving from Hachi, though sending CP0 after Rayleigh is asking for dead CP0, must've been someone else (maybe Mihawk too)
that doesn’t stop the marine from trying lol they went after HawkEye. If so, you would think it be mentioned that CP/WG/Marines injured Rayleigh
 
It’s amazing Rayleigh can be an old retired drunk, yet the WG/Marines doesn't dare to try arrest him.
Even 2 years ago he could still hang with Kizaru and just a couple of weeks ago he scared off Blackbeard. In his prime he most likely was > any admiral so they would have needed to risk 2-3 admirals health through injuries or death.

Poking Ray might also have triggered himself or other Roger pirates leaking information. Garp who knows him well probably made the Marines accept just leaving Ray alone, it would benefit both parties equally. We already saw Garp say something similar about Beehive.

Ray is about the same scenario as Mihawk. Before they poked him everything was fine, God knows how many Marines have died since and how many ships have been sunk. The marines also inadvertently created Cross Guild.
 
I can’t buy it. Why was Roger and his offspring considered not allowed to live? Doesn’t have to be everything; they learned enough to warrant a death penalty. I would expect that energy for all crew members
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that doesn’t stop the marine from trying lol they went after HawkEye. If so, you would think it be mentioned that CP/WG/Marines injured Rayleigh
Because of their potential. Roger was a D who actually seemed to live up to the will of D which Celestial Dragons fear looking at Doffys reaction to law being one.

Also because roger was the pirate king, by publicly executing him, the world government gets to show themselves as stronger than even the pirate king and it’s a warning to pirates everywhere.

If it was because of the knowledge, the WG would’ve made buggy a bigger target in Marineford since he was a known Roger pirate at that time.
 
Unlurking just to say that we now know why Shakky's bar is up on top of a tall hill with an enormous staircase. She and Ray probably choose Sabaody in part bc they knew a flood was coming and there are multiple safe escape options for them there.

They could stay on the hill, escape through bubbles or go down to FI if they really needed to, plus they're close to MJ so they can keep tabs on what's happening. Sabaody is a good place to station up to watch and wait.

Also, Mihawk's nomadic lifestyle makes more sense when you think about how he's just preparing for Waterworld 2.0. When he actually settled down and chose a home, he picked a tall castle on an island with a lot of hills.

Also, the royal palace on Dressrosa was very tall. I wonder who built it that way. Was it Riku's family or the original Doflamingos who built their home so high up, and how much did they know?

Relurking now.

Edit: and Thriller Bark, too
Alubarna and the castle of goa kingdom is also tall
 
Kaku always seemed redeemable, Lucci def isn't redeemable though, bloodlust is in his very nature. The situation is dire, otherwise he would off Stussy on site.
Lucci does view Kaku as his friend going as far as asking an elder to spare his life

If for anything to go down with him
 
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