Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1117 Spoilers Discussion

[Moegara]

Was this ever said? I just checked and Rayleigh never said that it grows. I just assumed people started with a set amount of CoC and thats it.

Honestly, no, that's just how I have always interpreted it.

What was stated or shown is:
- Everyone has CoA and CoO, because haki is in every living being, human or not, they just have to find out about it.
- CoA and CoO can be trained.
- Only a few have CoC and it cannot be trained.
- However, what did he mean by train it? By "force of habit" (which comes from practice, or in other words, training) Luffy or anyone else can go from uncontrolled outbursts to targeting specific targets at close range amidst a crowd, nor affecting anyone else. His CoC wasn't stronger there, but Luffy was many times more skillful in its use after the timeskip.

My personal interpretation on CoC is:
Haki is deeply tied to emotions, it's understood to be similar to willpower and tied to it. Just like it can bloom in battle, it can be affected both positively and negatively by emotions. While I do think, like Rayleigh told us, that CoC cannot grow with training, I do believe it can become stronger as a character grows in battle.

That's my belief until proven otherwise by the manga.

 

[Nekomamushi]

I never thought i'd say this - but i missed Zoro hype bois vs Zoro slender fight in the topic - finally the story is back on track.

 

[ZenZu]

Gandhi defeats Akainu, Kizaru and Aokiji (His 3 Butlers) in 1v3.

Depends if he's weak to the sea. Fuji might beat some of them in groups. Can literally drown them at will with max gravity.

If not weak to sea then Fuji would eventually lose after dominating Ghandi for majority of the fight.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Honestly, no, that's just how I have always interpreted it.

What was stated or shown is:
- Everyone has CoA and CoO, because haki is in every living being, human or not, they just have to find out about it.
- CoA and CoO can be trained.
- Only a few have CoC and it cannot be trained.
- However, what did he mean by train it? By "force of habit" (which comes from practice, or in other words, training) Luffy or anyone else can go from uncontrolled outbursts to targeting specific targets at close range amidst a crowd, nor affecting anyone else. His CoC wasn't stronger there, but Luffy was many times more skillful in its use after the timeskip.

My personal interpretation on CoC is:
Haki is deeply tied to emotions, it's understood to be similar to willpower and tied to it. Just like it can bloom in battle, it can be affected both positively and negatively by emotions. While I do think, like Rayleigh told us, that CoC cannot grow with training, I do believe it can become stronger as a character grows in battle.

That's my belief until proven otherwise by the manga.

Any chances Zoros showings against Gandhi will be as impressive as Sanjis showings?

 

[soheilhazrat]

Zoro is gonna cook that fraud top tier

 

[Fujishiro]

Honestly, no, that's just how I have always interpreted it.

What was stated or shown is:
- Everyone has CoA and CoO, because haki is in every living being, human or not, they just have to find out about it.
- CoA and CoO can be trained.
- Only a few have CoC and it cannot be trained.
- However, what did he mean by train it? By "force of habit" (which comes from practice, or in other words, training) Luffy or anyone else can go from uncontrolled outbursts to targeting specific targets at close range amidst a crowd, nor affecting anyone else. His CoC wasn't stronger there, but Luffy was many times more skillful in its use after the timeskip.

My personal interpretation on CoC is:
Haki is deeply tied to emotions, it's understood to be similar to willpower and tied to it. Just like it can bloom in battle, it can be affected both positively and negatively by emotions. While I do think, like Rayleigh told us, that CoC cannot grow with training, I do believe it can become stronger as a character grows in battle.

That's my belief until proven otherwise by the manga.

Actually Reborn showed me a panel that says CoC grows with the users strength.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Depends if he's weak to the sea. Fuji might beat some of them in groups. Can literally drown them at will with max gravity.

If not weak to sea then Fuji would eventually lose after dominating Ghandi for majority of the fight.

Gandhi will blitz
Overpower
Bitch slap
And cut his head

Fuji was shaking from Dressrosa lmao
And Gandhi is strongest member of the group whose Haki alone has Luffy shook.

 

[Fujishiro]

Any chances Zoros showings against Gandhi will be as impressive as Sanjis showings?

He will look better lmao come on now.

 

[Moegara]

Coc is correlated to a person's individual strength. So they can't train their coc to get stronger but they can train themselves to get stronger which in return increases their coc

I agree. That's not 100% what I wrote but it goes in line with my reasoning.

Honestly, no, that's just how I have always interpreted it.

What was stated or shown is:
- Everyone has CoA and CoO, because haki is in every living being, human or not, they just have to find out about it.
- CoA and CoO can be trained.
- Only a few have CoC and it cannot be trained.
- However, what did he mean by train it? By "force of habit" (which comes from practice, or in other words, training) Luffy or anyone else can go from uncontrolled outbursts to targeting specific targets at close range amidst a crowd, nor affecting anyone else. His CoC wasn't stronger there, but Luffy was many times more skillful in its use after the timeskip.

My personal interpretation on CoC is:
Haki is deeply tied to emotions, it's understood to be similar to willpower and tied to it. Just like it can bloom in battle, it can be affected both positively and negatively by emotions. While I do think, like Rayleigh told us, that CoC cannot grow with training, I do believe it can become stronger as a character grows in battle.

That's my belief until proven otherwise by the manga.

 

[soheilhazrat]

Any chances Zoros showings against Gandhi will be as impressive as Sanjis showings?

Wait u think sanji was impressive? Impossible

 

[Chaves]

Let's see if Zoro will at least perform better than base Sanji

 

[Fujishiro]

Gandhi will blitz
Overpower
Bitch slap
And cut his head

Fuji was shaking from Dressrosa lmao
And Gandhi is strongest member of the group whose Haki alone has Luffy shook.

Luffy was never shaken by Nusjuros Haki what are you talking about bro.

 

[JoNdule]

Regular CoC doesn’t have the effect though… we’ve never seen two Yonko just spam regular CoC and sky split

Yamato and kaidp used adcoc , no skyplit

Regular or adcoc, Yonko level guys will skyplit

 

[HA001]

I never thought i'd say this - but i missed Zoro hype bois vs Zoro slender fight in the topic - finally the story is back on track.

 

[Dcbluffy]

True.
Zoro needs like 5 Minutes to kill Kaido in 1v1.
Kaido will get repeatedly blitzed as Zoro is at least 10 Times as fast as Snake Man
And will die in 2 hits as Ashura already scarred him and Current Zoro's Attack Power >>>>>>> Ashura

is there an alternative zoro manga somewhere I haven’t read yet ? this glaze is crazy

 

[ShishioIsBack]

He will look better lmao come on now.

I was being sarcastic lol
Doing less damage than Brook
Getting completely ignores
Bite diffed

If that isn't trash showing idk what it is.
To say Sanji got neg diffed is being generous.

He basically got "not-worth-my-time" diffed.

 

[Moegara]

Actually Reborn showed me a panel that says CoC grows with the users strength.

It's settled then. It simply can't be strengthened directly.

 

[Aknolagon]

I feel like providers are lying af

Pls panels soon

 

[ShishioIsBack]

is there an alternative zoro manga somewhere I haven’t read yet ? this glaze is crazy

It is one piece.

Zoro shits on Luffy

 

[JoNdule]

Zoro and Nasjuro confirmed to be the weakest CoC users.

I wonder if they even send people flying with their CoC clash