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totally, feel like Shiryu gona be somehow a pica moment - dude gona evade until Zoro figure out how to track him, then game over

Still I agree with @LANJI CUCKSMOKE I would prefer something more challenging for Zoro, 2 vs 1 scenario woudnt be that bad
Maybe Shiryu has already a special df or unique power prioror to connected to his blade.
Educate him @nik87

Why does Zoro fans always love to downplay Zoro's opponents?
First King. You guys thought fighting Kaido in Rooftop or ZKK is better than 1vs1 King below Rooftop. Then King proved himself to be even more durable than Kaido.
Then Lucci. You guys thought fighting Lucci is waste of time, while actually without Zoro stopping him, Lucci would keep one shotting characters left and right like high tier Sentomaru and Stussy, while so called Top Tiers like Kizaru and Saturn never really one shotting anyone not even grandpa Vegapunk.
Then Shiryu. You guys thinking Shiryu is just another invisible gimmick, aside that he is trash. Below Aokiji. While soon you will learn Oda protects Blackbeard from Zoro, by putting Shiryu in middle of them.
 
My opinion is slightly different.

Luffy's dream has to be bigger than Zoro's, that much I must agree with, but on one hand we have:
- Luffy's secret dream that the crew and his brothers knows but we don't, that surprised everyone even though they already knew he wanted to be PK and surpass Roger, so it's something beyond Roger.
- Roger "failed to be Joyboy", no disrespect to his character, but by surpassing Joyboy and defeating Imu Luffy will surpass people even greater than Roger.

That leaves Mihawk room to be stronger than Roger but still not top 1 in the story.
I think Zoro will surpass Roger lol, but not before Luffy does.

Also Luffy can have multiple dreams, surpassing Roger is one of them like he kept stating since the start of the series.
 
totally, feel like Shiryu gona be somehow a pica moment - dude gona evade until Zoro figure out how to track him, then game over

Still I agree with @LANJI CUCKSMOKE I would prefer something more challenging for Zoro, 2 vs 1 scenario woudnt be that bad
Maybe Shiryu has already a special df or unique power prioror to connected to his blade.
What happened to garp is the blue print shilliew will take an hostage and zoro will be forced to drop the sword
 
And what a HORSE SHIT fucking comparison. Mihawk who is day dreaming with Vista while not exerting even an ounce of energy vs two guys having massive clash of conquerors with Gandhi literally clinching his teeth and turning into a damn torpedo at the end of the clash.

What a valid fucking comparison :milaugh::milaugh::milaugh::milaugh::milaugh:
It's a very fair comparison. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not.

Okay let me use Mihawk vs Jozu then? Mihawk was aiming for Whitebeard meaning he put enough strength in it which he thought might give Whitebeard trouble but was clashed with Jozu.

Stop being a retard and actually see reason and not just agenda. I'm not 100% disputing your top tier claim I'm just saying stop using a clash to prove this is the case as if we set the bar so low anyone can claim to be one.
 
Well like you said Yonko level is a spectrum, Mihawk is on the higher end of it but so is Kaido and Shanks. I think Mihawk is stronger then Shanks but not by much. And also we are nearing the end of the series, I think Zoro as he is right now pushes Mihawk to high diff. He will need something else to make it an extreme diff fight and then he will grow mid fight and beat Mihawk.
You think Zoro’s a full top-tier right now? Where do you rank him against old legends and where do you rank Shiryu? I think Shiryu will be top-tier tbh
 
I think Zoro will surpass Roger lol, but not before Luffy does.

Also Luffy can have multiple dreams, surpassing Roger is one of them like he kept stating since the start of the series.
But must all of Luffy's dreams be greater than Zoro's one dream?

Must what will just be a stepping stone before Luffy's real destined parallel be greater than Zoro's ultimate goal?

Luffy can surpass Roger before Zoro does, he'll just go beyond that afterwards.
 
Educate him @nik87

Why does Zoro fans always love to downplay Zoro's opponents?
First King. You guys thought fighting Kaido in Rooftop or ZKK is better than 1vs1 King below Rooftop. Then King proved himself to be even more durable than Kaido.
Then Lucci. You guys thought fighting Lucci is waste of time, while actually without Zoro stopping him, Lucci would keep one shotting characters left and right like high tier Sentomaru and Stussy, while so called Top Tiers like Kizaru and Saturn never really one shotting anyone not even grandpa Vegapunk.
Then Shiryu. You guys thinking Shiryu is just another invisible gimmick, aside that he is trash. Below Aokiji. While soon you will learn Oda protects Blackbeard from Zoro, by putting Shiryu in middle of them.
not saying is trash, but clearly he didnt show much to make him a danger for current Zoro
Sure we saw that is pretty hard to track and he has master coa
I do pretend that from a former Impel Down boss the dude need to be super strong but so far I am not that exited about this fight especially if 1 elder will fall before Shiryu
 
Why post Wano?
Zoro tanked Hakai (combined attack of 2 Yonko) in Rooftop, not post Wano. Not farfetched to say Zoro left timeskip as Top Tier already. Luffy got Dressrosa arc, WCI arc and Udon arc to keep up. And Sanji got left behind and never keep up anymore.
Because no top tier would have issue with King. Zoro always hit above his weight class but you need more then good AP to be a top tier.

Also I am one of the few people who think Zoro was artificially buffed after Dressrossa like a lot of characters to be able to deal with the raid. Couple it with his week of training before the raid and you can explain his rooftop feats without headcanoning that he was way stronger then Luffy at the start of the time skip, that just doesnt make sense and Oda would never do it narratively.
 
Educate him @nik87

Why does Zoro fans always love to downplay Zoro's opponents?
First King. You guys thought fighting Kaido in Rooftop or ZKK is better than 1vs1 King below Rooftop. Then King proved himself to be even more durable than Kaido.
Then Lucci. You guys thought fighting Lucci is waste of time, while actually without Zoro stopping him, Lucci would keep one shotting characters left and right like high tier Sentomaru and Stussy, while so called Top Tiers like Kizaru and Saturn never really one shotting anyone not even grandpa Vegapunk.
Then Shiryu. You guys thinking Shiryu is just another invisible gimmick, aside that he is trash. Below Aokiji. While soon you will learn Oda protects Blackbeard from Zoro, by putting Shiryu in middle of them.
Because they want Zoro to fight Luffy's opponents and making the number 2 look weak justifies in their mind why Zoro should fight number 1.
 
But must all of Luffy's dreams be greater than Zoro's one dream?
Zoro will still reach his dream of becoming the strongest swordsman ever, it doesnt have to end with Mihawk lol.

Must what will just be a stepping stone before Luffy's real destined parallel be greater than Zoro's ultimate goal?
No like I said Zoro will probably surpass Roger too.

Luffy can surpass Roger before Zoro does, he'll just go beyond that afterwards.
Thats literally what I said lol.
 
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