General & Others Fujitora vs Mihawk as conquerors

#21
Either flashback or we’ll never see it cause that’s just not really important?
hmm see i feel like it has to have some importance. Wb was said to have the power to destroy the world to me at least that has to include him infusing coc coating in his attacks as well, it just seems weird that oda would have luffy fight someone who ultimately does not have coc haki/coating in such a big fight. Unless he is going for another haki transcends all type situation.
 
#22
Did u really just say having conquerors isn’t really about strength or willpower. When the end result of a good Coc user is coating his attacks which only a handful of the strongest can do:choppawhat: I can not wait to see how you react when mihawk coats his blade in coc haki. How exactly is mihawks willpower low when he has achieved his goal of wss and sits at the top of them all and will sit their until zoro reaches him:choppawhat:
It isn’t
If it’s about strength every top tier or character at a certain level should have it
If it’s about willpower characters like Ivankov, kuma, law, crocodile, king, etc should have it

So yes if we’re being honest it doesn’t really matter. Could mihawk and fujitora have it? Yeah possibly but there aren’t really any prerequisites to have it
Manly coming down to oda and luffy

Wild since Mihawks more likely to have it than Blackbeard
Blackbeard
  1. A character more ambitious
  2. Is an actual captain of a crew that has an admiral in it
  3. Someone more plot relevant generally more relevant to the world itself
  4. Someone who is currently on the same level as all current top tiers that will move likely than not end up growing even stronger
  5. One of luffy’s major final opponents
Has less of a shot a having conquerors than mihawk
  1. A character gave up on a greater ambition like the rest of cross guild until a buggy speech
  2. Partnered up with crocodile someone as far as we know doesnt have conquerors as equals. Currently hiding behind buggy’s emperor shadow and will help with the goal of the one piece like the rest of cross guild
  3. Someone generally not as important to the story or world. Tho tbf he’s getting something now being apart of cross guild
  4. Someone with less potential strength wise than Blackbeard
  5. On top of that not all that relevant to luffy
Yeah that makes sense
Is crocodile also a conqueror stronger than Blackbeard
:sanmoji:
 
#23
hmm see i feel like it has to have some importance. Wb was said to have the power to destroy the world to me at least that has to include him infusing coc coating in his attacks as well, it just seems weird that oda would have luffy fight someone who ultimately does not have coc haki/coating in such a big fight. Unless he is going for another haki transcends all type situation.
That’s the power of the fruit alone. The quakes raise the seas and sink islands. That’s the power to destroy the world.

Luffy will need to gain the power that Roger had that allowed him to fight off the Gura, as we saw that wasnt his haki. Luffy will be at way too much of a disadvantage against Bb, basically fruitless, only having haki which won’t hold a candle to the strength of Blackbeard with the gura.
It isn’t
If it’s about strength every top tier or character at a certain level should have it
If it’s about willpower characters like Ivankov, kuma, law, crocodile, king, etc should have it

So yes if we’re being honest it doesn’t really matter. Could mihawk and fujitora have it? Yeah possibly but there aren’t really any prerequisites to have it
Manly coming down to oda and luffy


Blackbeard
  1. A character more ambitious
  2. Is an actual captain of a crew that has an admiral in it
  3. Someone more plot relevant generally more relevant to the world itself
  4. Someone who is currently on the same level as all current top tiers that will move likely than not end up growing even stronger
  5. One of luffy’s major final opponents
Has less of a shot a having conquerors than mihawk
  1. A character gave up on a greater ambition like the rest of cross guild until a buggy speech
  2. Partnered up with crocodile someone as far as we know doesnt have conquerors as equals. Currently hiding behind buggy’s emperor shadow and will help with the goal of the one piece like the rest of cross guild
  3. Someone generally not as important to the story or world. Tho tbf he’s getting something now being apart of cross guild
  4. Someone with less potential strength wise than Blackbeard
  5. On top of that not all that relevant to luffy
Yeah that makes sense
Is crocodile also a conqueror stronger than Blackbeard
:sanmoji:
No Croc won’t need CoC coating either. Hell just be a powerful awakened logia.

And let’s not talk about “hiding behind shadows” when Blackbeard spent almost 30 years hiding behind Whitebeards shadow. Then constantly ran away from any fight that looked like it’d be hard.

But yeah that’s the spirit of a conqueror.
 
#24
That’s the power of the fruit alone. The quakes raise the seas and sink islands. That’s the power to destroy the world.

Luffy will need to gain the power that Roger had that allowed him to fight off the Gura, as we saw that wasnt his haki. Luffy will be at way too much of a disadvantage against Bb, basically fruitless, only having haki which won’t hold a candle to the strength of Blackbeard with the gura.

No Croc won’t need CoC coating either. Hell just be a powerful awakened logia.

And let’s not talk about “hiding behind shadows” when Blackbeard spent almost 30 years hiding behind Whitebeards shadow. Then constantly ran away from any fight that looked like it’d be hard.

But yeah that’s the spirit of a conqueror.
Never said anything about bb having conquerors infusion

Bb was hiding making plans for the future
Mihawk was hiding just to hide

Calling bb out on dodging fights while defending mihawk is ironic to say the least. Tho tbf even wb would avoid unnecessary fights

Yes bb someone trying to conquer the world is more of a conqueror
 
#25
It isn’t
If it’s about strength every top tier or character at a certain level should have it
If it’s about willpower characters like Ivankov, kuma, law, crocodile, king, etc should have it

So yes if we’re being honest it doesn’t really matter. Could mihawk and fujitora have it? Yeah possibly but there aren’t really any prerequisites to have it
Manly coming down to oda and luffy


Blackbeard
  1. A character more ambitious
  2. Is an actual captain of a crew that has an admiral in it
  3. Someone more plot relevant generally more relevant to the world itself
  4. Someone who is currently on the same level as all current top tiers that will move likely than not end up growing even stronger
  5. One of luffy’s major final opponents
Has less of a shot a having conquerors than mihawk
  1. A character gave up on a greater ambition like the rest of cross guild until a buggy speech
  2. Partnered up with crocodile someone as far as we know doesnt have conquerors as equals. Currently hiding behind buggy’s emperor shadow and will help with the goal of the one piece like the rest of cross guild
  3. Someone generally not as important to the story or world. Tho tbf he’s getting something now being apart of cross guild
  4. Someone with less potential strength wise than Blackbeard
  5. On top of that not all that relevant to luffy
Yeah that makes sense
Is crocodile also a conqueror stronger than Blackbeard
:sanmoji:
It is already established that only a handful of the very strongest can use it. Sure oda is only handing out the ability to certain people, but mihawk is a done deal because zoro has it . Zoro dream and promise to luffy is something that mihawk has not only attained, but he sits at the top of all other swordsmen. Mihawk rival shanks has it and mihawk himself is waiting for a swordsman (zoro) that is stronger than his previous rival shanks. Mihawk will have it.

Oda is not just giving it to people because they have strong willpower. Yes those people you mentioned have it but apparently they do not meet oda criteria and for reference king although strong gave up on his dream when he said he would simply follow kaido it did not matter if he was not joyboy.
 
#26
Never said anything about bb having conquerors infusion

Bb was hiding making plans for the future
Mihawk was hiding just to hide

Calling bb out on dodging fights while defending mihawk is ironic to say the least. Tho tbf even wb would avoid unnecessary fights

Yes bb someone trying to conquer the world is more of a conqueror
Blackbeard was hiding because he knew he couldn’t do anything on his own. Mihawk was “hiding” because he’s already completed his goal and just wants to live in peace.

Mihawk who’s already accomplished his goal is more likely than someone who relies on fate and gets lucky trying and accomplish there
 
#27
That’s the power of the fruit alone. The quakes raise the seas and sink islands. That’s the power to destroy the world.

Luffy will need to gain the power that Roger had that allowed him to fight off the Gura, as we saw that wasnt his haki. Luffy will be at way too much of a disadvantage against Bb, basically fruitless, only having haki which won’t hold a candle to the strength of Blackbeard with the gura.

No Croc won’t need CoC coating either. Hell just be a powerful awakened logia.

And let’s not talk about “hiding behind shadows” when Blackbeard spent almost 30 years hiding behind Whitebeards shadow. Then constantly ran away from any fight that looked like it’d be hard.

But yeah that’s the spirit of a conqueror.
excuse me? the power that Roger had that allowed him to fight off the Gura, as we saw that wasnt his haki. Where was this shown to us?
 
#28
excuse me? the power that Roger had that allowed him to fight off the Gura, as we saw that wasnt his haki. Where was this shown to us?
In the Oden Flashback we saw that Rogers swordsmanship haki and strength wasn’t able to overcome Whitebeards haki and strength.

Whitebeard didn’t even use the gura to clash with Roger. So we know roger had a power beyond haki or Whitebeard would have to be an entire level beyond Roger.
 
#29
In the Oden Flashback we saw that Rogers swordsmanship haki and strength wasn’t able to overcome Whitebeards haki and strength.

Whitebeard didn’t even use the gura to clash with Roger. So we know roger had a power beyond haki or Whitebeard would have to be an entire level beyond Roger.
Or Roger’s max haki output is just stronger than WB’s, that was just an initial clash. Roger could also just be a much better fighter and more nimble than WB, making the fight much harder. At that level of power, whoever gets to land a hit first would have the advantage anyways. A critical hit will severely weaken the opponent.
 
#30
It is already established that only a handful of the very strongest can use it. Sure oda is only handing out the ability to certain people, but mihawk is a done deal because zoro has it . Zoro dream and promise to luffy is something that mihawk has not only attained, but he sits at the top of all other swordsmen. Mihawk rival shanks has it and mihawk himself is waiting for a swordsman (zoro) that is stronger than his previous rival shanks. Mihawk will have it.

Oda is not just giving it to people because they have strong willpower. Yes those people you mentioned have it but apparently they do not meet oda criteria and for reference king although strong gave up on his dream when he said he would simply follow kaido it did not matter if he was not joyboy.
Mihawk isn’t zoro. Zoro arguably has a stronger will than mihawk tbh

Law is a rival to luffy and kid (more so kid) and as far as we know he doesn’t have it

The thing is there isn’t really a criteria needed to be a conqueror. Being strong and having ties to conquerors doesn’t automatically make you one. At that point again all top tiers should then have it
Blackbeard was hiding because he knew he couldn’t do anything on his own. Mihawk was “hiding” because he’s already completed his goal and just wants to live in peace.

Mihawk who’s already accomplished his goal is more likely than someone who relies on fate and gets lucky trying and accomplish there
No we were told he was waiting to enact his plan and fate

It is heavily implied that mihawk gave up on his true ambition just like the rest of cross guild. Him joining the wg and crocodile because it made his life easier. With buggy inspiring them it’s gonna make them get off their bits and fight for something they truly believe in and not just lesser goals
 
#31
He didn't overcome every swordsman
He didn't fight even the best swordsmen
Like roger who didn't overcome every single pirate but even so he was the king.
Like wb who didn't overcome every single man but even so he was the strongest man and king of sea after roger's death.
Like kaido who didn't overcome every creature/human being but even so he was the strongest creature.
 
#32
Or Roger’s max haki output is just stronger than WB’s, that was just an initial clash. Roger could also just be a much better fighter and more nimble than WB, making the fight much harder. At that level of power, whoever gets to land a hit first would have the advantage anyways. A critical hit will severely weaken the opponent.
But what we were shown is an equal clash while one was holding back and another wasn’t. It’s clear Roger just has an ability beyond haki.
 
#33
What does that even mean?

Having CoC?
Both are qualified (not canonically confirmed) no question.

Leading feats?
Both have their own minds and honestly lack the ability to mobilize people.

Strength?
Oda explicitly choosing the fujitora sword topic among the many many questions he get implies it will be relevant soon.
Fujitora already showed off post TS. Mihawk did not. Neither has dragon btw. Considering the Egghead event that's about to conclude, I expect the interlude chapters to involve Fujitora and Mihawk.
Everything leads to a clash between the two - and what would be a better hypetool for Mihawk's show off than breaking a Supreme grade sword?

Fujitora's story is mostly told already. We don't know more or less about him than about Kidd. Kidd who was sacrificed as hypetool for shanks. Kidd who has a 3B bounty. Admirals have a 3B bounty. Set by Cross guild.

Wink wink??
 
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#35
Conqueror!!!
A fuckin Conqueror !!!

" Mihawk sits Atop all the swordsman in the world "

y'all understand what that means?
bro has conquered everything he ever wanted.
he holds the undisputed title in the world.


bro is the only character to Suffer from Success in One Piece.
I get what you mean but please don’t forget about prime WB or Kaido.

WB (post Rogers death, Pre Kaidos prime) - undisputed #1. No one f*cked with him until cancer and father time took him down
Kaido - Gorosei and Admirals stayed clear of the Worlds strongest creature for years. Got depressed as nothing was a challenge anymore
 
#36
In the Oden Flashback we saw that Rogers swordsmanship haki and strength wasn’t able to overcome Whitebeards haki and strength.

Whitebeard didn’t even use the gura to clash with Roger. So we know roger had a power beyond haki or Whitebeard would have to be an entire level beyond Roger.
bold of you to assume that roger was using his maximum levels of haki in that clash isn't it ? i am down for roger having something else ,but For all we know he could quite literally have something akin to ashura lol which is still haki stuff.
 
#37
So let me get this straight

A character with a “worlds strongest” title, rival to a Yonko who’s specialty is haki and who one of the protagonist, who just learned CoC won’t have CoC himself?

what a joke
Kuzan was an admiral and almost future fleet admiral. Trained by Garp, picked by sengoku, and fought akainu for 10 days might not have it according to many

Blackbeard character wise insane potential and ambition, scarred shanks, has imu worried about him, and of luffy’s biggest antagonist ever might not have it according to many

Fujitora an admiral and potential future fleet admiral that defies akainu and the world government on multiple occasions, is a big reason the warlord system is abolished, and freed slaves during the reverie might not have it according to many

Law a rival to kid and luffy to an extent, another character with high ambitions that was going after the one piece, and one of the future leaders of the next generation of pirates doesn’t have it at the very least as of now
 
#38
Mihawk isn’t zoro. Zoro arguably has a stronger will than mihawk tbh

Law is a rival to luffy and kid (more so kid) and as far as we know he doesn’t have it

The thing is there isn’t really a criteria needed to be a conqueror. Being strong and having ties to conquerors doesn’t automatically make you one. At that point again all top tiers should then have it

No we were told he was waiting to enact his plan and fate

It is heavily implied that mihawk gave up on his true ambition just like the rest of cross guild. Him joining the wg and crocodile because it made his life easier. With buggy inspiring them it’s gonna make them get off their bits and fight for something they truly believe in and not just lesser goals
Lol the only reason you say this is because mihawk sits at the top and quite literally has no interest in anyone or doing anything until zoro gets to him.

In wano oda gave direct ties to zoro ambition being kingly. Mihawk had those same ambitions at one time and he achieved his goal sitting atop all other swordsmen as wss. Of course he will have coc haki this is not a luffy to law comparison this is a guy that has already achieved the top and sits on it bored suffering from success until a worthy opponent stronger than his previous rival that can coat his attacks comes and fights him.
 
#39
bold of you to assume that roger was using his maximum levels of haki in that clash isn't it ? i am down for roger having something else ,but For all we know he could quite literally have something akin to ashura lol which is still haki stuff.
Why would he be holding back his haki? Has anyone held back their haki level when using CoC?

Or he simply has a power related to the Will of D which has been set up since Drum Kingdom
 
#40
Kuzan was an admiral and almost future fleet admiral. Trained by Garp, picked by sengoku, and fought akainu for 10 days might not have it according to many

Blackbeard character wise insane potential and ambition, scarred shanks, has imu worried about him, and of luffy’s biggest antagonist ever might not have it according to many

Fujitora an admiral and potential future fleet admiral that defies akainu and the world government on multiple occasions, is a big reason the warlord system is abolished, and freed slaves during the reverie might not have it according to many

Law a rival to kid and luffy to an extent, another character with high ambitions that was going after the one piece, and one of the future leaders of the next generation of pirates doesn’t have it at the very least as of now
The “rivals” you mentioned are second fiddle to the #1. Mihawk, like Luffy and like Akainu is on top of his bubble
 
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