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1. "Oda chooses the dialogue... the characters don't have actual souls you realise that?

2. And apparently according to you the only way to win a fight is to KO or kill them.

3. And Hawkins took damage that's why he lost lives."

1. You do realise that Oda and any other writer creates characters with their own personalities, dreams, own opinions, own experiences etc. so they actualy feel "alive" and differ from each other, like we do in our world, right?
My Kamakiri argument shows exactly that - which you straight up ignored, surprise surprise...
From his point of view, because he didn't saw a way of beating Eneru, it was impossible to beat him. Following your logic, it is Oda's personal statement and is a fact.
But the manga itself contradicts this statement, by letting Luffy actualy beat Eneru.

Tsuru saying Zoro defeated Hawkins is not Oda's statement.

2. And according to you, not damaging Hawkins, receiving damage yourself and then run away is a win? Nice joke...

3. :lawsigh:...
Hawkins DF gives him the ability to transfer damage to the people he "marked/connected" with. As long as he has his live connected to others, he doesn't receive any damage, but transfers it to the other one. Hawkins himself didn't take any damage. There are enough panels showing his subordinates receiving the damage for Hawkins...it was explained IN THE MANGA how his DF works...
It's the same as if you would say Robin defeated Aokiji, because she literaly broke him into pieces...
Aokiji's DF protected him from getting any damage from getting his back break in 2.

Hawkins is no different here. His DF protected him from getting damage.
 
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@T.D.A
1. "Oda chooses the dialogue... the characters don't have actual souls you realise that?

2. And apparently according to you the only way to win a fight is to KO or kill them.

3. And Hawkins took damage that's why he lost lives."

1. You do realise that Oda and any other writer creates characters with their own personalities, dreams, own opinions, own experiences etc. so they actualy feel "alive" and differ from each other, like we do in our world, right?
My Kamakiri argument shows exactly that - which you straight up ignored, surprise surprise...
From his point of view, because he didn't saw a way of beating Eneru, it was impossible to beat him. Following your logic, it is Oda's personal statement and is a fact.
But the manga itself contradicts this statement, by letting Luffy actualy beat Eneru.

Tsuru saying Zoro defeated Hawkins is not Oda's statement.

2. And according to you, not damaging Hawkins, receiving damage yourself and then run away is a win? Nice joke...

3. :lawsigh:...
Hawkins DF gives him the ability to transfer damage to the people he "marked/connected" with. As long as he has his live connected to others, he doesn't receive any damage, but transfers it to the other one. Hawkins himself didn't take any damage. There are enough panels showing his subordinates receiving the damage for Hawkins...it was explained IN THE MANGA how his DF works...
It's the same as if you would say Robin defeated Aokiji, because she literaly broke him into pieces...
Aokiji's DF protected him from getting any damage from getting his back break in 2.

Hawkins is no different here. His DF protected him from getting damage.
If Hawkins' lives are reduced by 2, that's taking damage. What you are probably trying to talk about is physical damage to his own body as if whoever has taken the most physical damage is always the loser in a fight, which simply isn't true.

Hawkins stopped attacking after getting owned twice.
 
If Hawkins' lives are reduced by 2, that's taking damage. What you are probably trying to talk about is physical damage to his own body as if whoever has taken the most physical damage is always the loser in a fight, which simply isn't true.

Hawkins stopped attacking after getting owned twice.
Hawkins real body wasn't damaged - that means Zoro did not damage Hawkins. What's not to understand there? Hawkins didn't even try to block or dodge attacks, because he doesn't receive damage by it anyways. He even took out one of his own lives. His subordinates received the damage for him.

Same with Logia's, as long as you can't damage their real physical body, it doesn't matter how many times you hit them, you are not damaging them.

He stopped because he got "owned"? lmao.
He stopped to chase them because he drew a card, saying they would get help and escape.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Hawkins real body wasn't damaged - that means Zoro did not damage Hawkins. What's not to understand there? Hawkins didn't even try to block or dodge attacks, because he doesn't receive damage by it anyways. He even took out one of his own lives. His subordinates received the damage for him.

Same with Logia's, as long as you can't damage their real physical body, it doesn't matter how many times you hit them, you are not damaging them.

He stopped because he got "owned"? lmao.
He stopped to chase them because he drew a card, saying they would get help and escape.
They escaped because zoro split his scarecrow in 2.
He failed his objective at capturing them. You can cry about it all you want.
 

Don DaSlayer

The Peerless swordsman
Hawkins real body wasn't damaged - that means Zoro did not damage Hawkins. What's not to understand there? Hawkins didn't even try to block or dodge attacks, because he doesn't receive damage by it anyways. He even took out one of his own lives. His subordinates received the damage for him.

Same with Logia's, as long as you can't damage their real physical body, it doesn't matter how many times you hit them, you are not damaging them.

He stopped because he got "owned"? lmao.
He stopped to chase them because he drew a card, saying they would get help and escape.
Zoro killed him twice.
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
That is why I changed from Reddit to Worstgen. There has been so many fake posts and they are on other level of being toxic. At this point, Worstgen is so much better.
Reddit is the fucking WORST place to discuss One Piece...nothing but a bunch of children sharing shitty notebook paper tracings of Luffy, screen caps of conversations with friends who just started watching/reading and saying shit like OMG WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE ACE’S DESIGN POST TIMESKIP LOLOLOLOL, and only sucking up to Oda for everything he does even if it should rightfully be criticized. No reason to go there if you want serious and better informed OP debates, this is the only place to be 😤
 
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